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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:07 PM
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It seems an opinion-consensus is forming rather quickly around an Independent Counsel
Edited on Mon Apr-20-09 01:35 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
It has the benefits of being:

1) the proper move in our system of law (The DoJ cannot credibly investigate the DoJ and any torture investigation will involve the DoJ. Though the cast has changed it's still the DoJ.)

2) the right political move (Insulating the administration from any subsequent decision-making role, maximizing public trust in the process and minimizing the efficacy of wing-nut reaction.)

3) the move likeliest to bag any big fish (The administration would be less inclined to prosecute anyone big if they have to "own" the prosecution. An IC, on the other hand, has a built in bias in favor of prosecution because investigations that don't result in trials are perceived--improperly, but perceived nonetheless--as ineffective or a waste of time and money.)

NEWSWEEK says Holder is actively considering it. Others are probably against it. Obama is, presumably, in the middle.

It is "the thing." So everyone in the left-o-sphere is on the right track and roughly the same page. (Don't say "special prosecutor" though. That title doesn't exist anymore and it gives the other side a free stylistic non-substantive mode of dismissal. The ACLU went with 'independent prosecutor' which is a descriptive, rather than legal, term.)

I hope that, for the time being, all pressure from Op-Ed writers and such will be focused quite specifically on the independent counsel issue.

And I hope Congress keeps low-key for the time being. As long as a "truth commission" idea is out there it is liable to be seized upon as an alternative to straight-up rule of law action. It is vital that some Congressional investigation not gain currency as the "centrist" middle-path.

The objective is to get to the point where David Broder sees an IC as the vanilla option. David Broder is our national arbiter of vanilla-ism. (One could argue that if the left called for executions without trials that would make an IC seem more centrist but that level of over-thinking seldom works out in practice. Too many moving parts!)

And anything congressional is the worst way to keep an issue non-partisan. The pugs might actually WANT an ongoing grand-standing opportunity to sharpen their "Dems are commie rats" message, which is about all they have left. (Endless public testimony from wing-nut former intel people about how Obama is making us un-safe. Endless public testimony about how torture saved lives. etc.. Never underestimate the fluidity of Congressional show-trials. I made that mistake with Iran-Contra. It never crossed my mind Ollie North would come out of it a folk hero, but he was good on TV which is paramount in TV tribunals.)

If Congress wants to do something later, cool. But for the time being I hope all pressure (continues to) concentrate on the independent prosecutor option.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:16 PM
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1. Perhaps we'd get some Rethug support if we had Harman investigated too...

which would get BOTH NEEDED investigations to happen soon!
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 02:04 PM
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3. Thank heavens appointing an IC doesn't require their support
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:25 PM
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2. It needs support from more than the...
newly elected Democratic President. Of course people probably aren't bothering to contact their representatives to ask them to give that support. That would be too much to ask.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 03:53 PM
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4. DU rule: self-kicks okay when rec's are twice replies
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 03:59 PM
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5. I hope you are right
I hope Emanuel is mistaken, but for now I don't see how Obama would support this. Still, if pressure mounts, maybe something will give.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 04:04 PM
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7. I agree. (And I refer only to external consensus)
As to what's going on inside the WH, I am not optimistic.

But it may be a close enough call within the WH that a flood of "respectable" opinion (big name op-eds, editorials, TV Commentary) taking up the IC cause could change things.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:27 PM
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9. .
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 04:00 PM
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6. I think that would be the best way to go.
But I could be wrong just wanted to give this another kick. Seams some people around here just want Obama to bring War Crime trails by executive order and if not then he is complicit in the torture. :shrug:
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 04:07 PM
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8. thanks for a sensible analysis
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 07:26 PM
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10. Completely agree.
Excerpts from the letter to Holder by the ACLU:










I recommend Donald Iglesais for Independent Prosecutor.
He is a Republican, so there will be no accusations of Partianship.
He is Squeaky Clean.
He was fired by Bush/Rove becaused he refused to engage in political prosecutions of Democrats.

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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 07:33 PM
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11. I think I signed a firedoglake petition to Holder to that effect.
The talk of "no interest in prosecutions" I've been hearing was disheartening.... but now I'm going to cross my fingers, hope you are onto something, and have a shot of tequila just for luck...
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 07:45 PM
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12. I was refering to outside opinion. The WH is not of the opinion, it seems
No telling what the WH will do, of course.

But I hope IC talk mounts.
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 10:48 PM
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13. Are you saying that the shot of tequila was meaningless?
Sarcasm aside... thanks for trying to keep the hope at a reasonably modulated level.

I agree, it seems like a complete no-brainer solution... but politics is a funny creature.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 11:14 PM
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14. The Dept of Justice duties:
Mission, agencies, and activities. The mission of the Department of Justice is to enforce the law and defend the interests of the United States according to law; to provide federal leadership in preventing and controlling crime; to seek just punishment for those found guilty of unlawful acts; to administer and enforce the nation's immigration laws fairly and effectively; and to ensure fair and impartial administration of justice for all Americans.

http://www.answers.com/topic/united-states-department-of-justice
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