Obama is a Good President

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

All presidents make mistakes. Good presidents over-reach sometimes but know to pull back. Bad presidents over-reach and fall off the cliff.

I have posted voluminously on the prosecution-issue. Throughout I maintained that president Obama was making an error, AND that he would correct it. That combination was sort of between camps.

Being a cynic, I felt somewhat foolish saying he would get to the right place but he's a good president so I felt the thing would have to settle down to the right spot, which is where US law always mandated it would go... the desk of the AG and no one else.

He's not a God. He did make an error. He sought a political solution to a legal question. I doubt we have ever had a president that didn't do that. It's almost a built-in pitfall of the job.

He is not a devil or a fool. He saw the position was indefensible if anyone bothered to attack it. Trial balloons drew fire and he quickly conceded the point. (When a monster like DiFi is keeping you honest you know it's time to reconsider.) It is not right to present a legal issue as a national-political-culture issue unless, like Gerald Ford, you are prepared to back it up with pre-emptive pardons. (A sole prerogative of the president, unlike investigation or prosecution.)

He's a good president.

[sniffa]

1. Indeed.

:thumbsup:

[NRaleighLiberal]

2. The way I would put it - I believe him to be a good person, and will be a good president.

I also am unhappy with how the current direction of the torture stuff is going, but all in all, I believe he knows what should be done and is using both overt and behind the scenes mechanisms to do the right thing. As I said in a pretty controversial post this morning, if he drops the ball on the torture prosecutions, there will be disappointment and unfortunate fallout, perhaps.

[Colobo]

4. Hopefully, you are right.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

I think he would have loved to not have to do the right thing

As would we all, sometimes.

But that wasn't in the cards.

[JTFrog]

7. No, really

your shit DOES stink.

And then some.

[ProSense]

3. "I have posted voluminously on the prosecution-issue." You're awesone, but

can you produce any evidence to support this: "Throughout I maintained that president Obama was making an error..."?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

9. I'm sure you can pick 'em apart, but...

I'm sure you can pick 'em apart, but these three are all quite balanced in maintaining the position to be untenable while not rushing to assume that Obama wouldn't see the light in short order.

Heck, I was in the minority on my own Poll!


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8357941

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8359008

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8359939

[ProSense]

11. I didn't ask for opinions, I asked for facts:

where Obama made a statement and then retracted it.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

14. Bush never said Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11. So what?

If you cannot take the plain meaning of the combined output of an administration then we bother following politics?

[ProSense]

20. It was the other George Bush

Bush denies linking Saddam and 9/11

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. Mmhmmm.

[Fire1]

18. Perfect reply!!! rofl!!! And great pic!!!! n/t

:rofl:

[geckosfeet]

6. Based on the last 3 months, IMO the best since Kennedy.

Smart.

Articulate.

Cordial.

Smart.

Athletic.

Good looking.

Very smart.

Fun to listen to.

Like-able.

Extremely smart.

Who knows. In 6 months he may even convert some of the haters.

[lostnotforgotten]

30. I Don't Hate Obama - But I Don't Feel Compelled To Blindly Support Him Either

That some here take such an extreme position is clear from the rhetoric of late.

Since when did being American mean that one has to agree with everything that a president does or says?

Equally important, since when does being a democrat mean that one has to agree with all democrats?

[Beetwasher]

8. Nominated As The Mother Of All Backtracks

:rofl:

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

12. You obviously don't see anything except what you want to see.

The fact that I intensely despise the fan-club doesn't mean I despise Obama.

Unlike the fan-club, I don't think of the fan-club as interchangeable with the man.

My comments about Obama tend to be responsible criticisms on a small number of big policy points.

On 90% of stuff he's great.

[Beetwasher]

15. LOL

Backtrak is as backtrack does. But hey! Whatever floats yr boat, cupcake!

[Avalux]

10. No error. A plan is playing out.

You're just trying to weasel out of saying you were wrong.

[vaberella]

13. Did this post make you feel better?! n/t

[ecstatic]

16. your ego is out of control

Well I guess we can conclude that Obama is a "good" president, now that you've said so. :eyes:

[jefferson_dem]

17. Sorry, I stopped reading at the "He's not a God" part...

Obviously, you must hate him then -- you must be an "Obama-basher".


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:hi:

[Laelth]

19. I agree. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[lamp_shade]

21. It "smarts" doesn't it?

[DevonRex]

22. You know, you're not even worth reading. Click.

[dionysus]

23. teh hypocrisy, it burns...

:rofl:

[MzShellG]

24. k&r. nt

[Kablooie]

25. And Bo is a good dog.

[Realtalk]

26. Yes

I wholeheartedly agree.

[Cha]

27. Yeah, Obama is an excellent President..

too bad you don't know shit about him..maybe you could actually make an intelligent post.

[Sparkly]

28. I just keep agreeing with you.

Which must mean you're brilliant, of course! ;)

I hope you're right that the point was conceded, and that the error will be corrected.

No doubt there are political issues involved, but they can't take precedence over what's right (what's required for the good of the country going forward).

[and-justice-for-all]

29. Yeah, he is a good prez...

I do not agree with him on somethings, but none the less he is a good prez.

[Medusa]

32. That's how I feel about him

I don't consider myself a "fan club" member; I realize that he's operating off of more info than I am when he makes decisions and that he'll still make wrong decisions. There is no law that says I have to agree 100% with what he does but even when I do disagree with him, I still support him.

[and-justice-for-all]

33. right.

[girl gone mad]

31. Agreed..

and I feel the same way about his economic policy. Eventually, I think he'll do the right thing. At the moment, he's still listening to the wrong group of people.

[BlooInBloo]

34. Bullshit. There's no evidence of "mistake", rather than *plan*, at this point.

[CreekDog]

35. That was a pretty good summary of how I felt on the issue

I'm a really big Obama booster and really like him and what he's tried to do, but I didn't like the initial soundings on torture and I'm not really sold on what comes next because I don't know what they will do with it. But Obama's got my confidence overall, so I'll see how this goes with that in mind.

[Raine]

36. Yes! I'm so PROUD of him!

:applause: