Gloating and being obnoxious doesn't help anybody.

[Danger Mouse]

A lot of us who are 'Obamabots' or whatever really feel vindicated by what the President said today. I'm thrilled and optimistic. However, bragging about it, gloating, demanding apologies, and the like, is not cool.
It's showing your ass.
In the interests of keeping some form of sanity on this forum, we COULD just be happy about it without being jerks. Just a thought.

[liberal N proud]

1. There is a fine line between celebration and gloating

Assuming you are thinking about the open door to prosecution of torturers, we can all celebrate when the criminals are prosecuted without being obnoxious over it.

Justice can be celebrated.

[Kdillard]

2. I get your point but I understand a bit of gloating after some of the threads yesterday

that accused Obama of all sorts of things and heaven help you if you defended him. There was a lot of upset feelings on both sides. I am glad things are working out the way they are and I am hopeful that things will continue moving forward.

[Danger Mouse]

6. I understand it. Believe me, I understand why people are doing it.

But it doesn't help.

[vaberella]

3. ~sigh~ n/t

[Uzybone]

4. killjoy

but you are right. Besides most of us here (apart from a small but vocal minority) are working towards the same goals.

[Starry Messenger]

5. Yep.

My ignore list just got a little bigger today. And I practically had an O tattooed on my ass last year.

[lunatica]

7. Again someone paints with a broad brush

Exactly how many gloaters have there been? And are they the average DUer? I would say the majority of DUers are not gloating, so why trash everyone?

[Danger Mouse]

10. I didn't broad brush. If this post is not about you, it's not about you.

[sniffa]

16. About 11 and counting on my end

It will only go up the longer I stay in GDP.

[Cha]

8. Yeah, we should ignore what's

been shoved down this board's throat about Obama condoning fucking torture and owning it.

[Danger Mouse]

9. I never said that.

[Cha]

12. I know..

but the way the naysayers have shoved it..I don't really blame those who talk about eating crow.

[rufus dog]

11. It is a fine line

and both sides need to take notice. Jumping all over the original statement was unjustified. We have just been through 8 years of hell and a quarter century of Republican rule. So when people, Democrats, find fault daily with a transitional figure then those who are a bit more patient will lash out.

I am not proposing Democrats march in lock step, but it has been 100 fucking days and some whine about every perceived slight.

Time for the picture, and have patience.

[ClarkUSA]

13. Schadenfreude is beautiful. Especially when Pres. Obama silences all the trolls for a day.

[Danger Mouse]

14. Yeah...

I know...

[billyoc]

15. Oh, I think the administration water carriers deserve a little gloating.

:hi:

[Two Americas]

19. why?

That seems backwards to me. One group calls for the politicians to do something. Another group angrily accuses them of "tearing down" the politician and launches a barrage of insults and attacks and threats. The politician then does what the first group was calling for - for all we know because of the pressure. That is how it usually works in a represrentartive democracy. How do those who were resisting the calls for the politician to do that thing therefore "win?" That is ludicrous. Don't we all win, and are the critics then not validated?


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[billyoc]

21. Because they're usually on the wrong side of every issue, so I'll give them gloating rights today.

[Two Americas]

22. must be in the air

I have been posting all day calling for reconciliation.

[Two Americas]

17. I don't understand

Why shouldn't those calling for this be the ones gloating?

How is it that resisting calling for the politicians to do something is validated when the politicians do those things? Seems to me you have this backward.

Do you really think that if no one pressured the politicians they would ever do anything? That is not how things work in a representative democracy.

So, critics: speaking out worked and we won. Those saying we should not speak out lost. But don't gloat.

I find this so insulting - the idea that if a politician does the right thing, those of us who were calling for them to do that have therefore lost. So insulting. If the politicians do what we have been calling for them to do - in the face of horrendous pressure to not "tear down our leaders" - then we are happy, not sad. This is part of the false and malicious insinuations here that there are some of us who are hoping for Obama to fail.


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[grantcart]

18. You do realize you are posting in GD:P in DU right?

[davidpdx]

30. HAHA..Grant you smartass

But you have a point there!

[BlooInBloo]

20. I don't mind celebrating. If it's not for *you*, that's your business.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

23. ...or calling people who don't agree with Obama on some issues "Freepers" n/t

[yardwork]

24. If Obama actually does prosecute torturers, then I'll celebrate.

[frylock]

25. word..

i'm not about to get all giddy, nor am i prepared to ingest crow because Obama left the door open.

[Raineyb]

44. Why should you eat crow?

There were a lot of people making calls to put pressure on the administration and representatives to make sure that something be done. I know Thom Hartmann was giving out the White House comment line number on his show on Friday for people to call and voice their opinion. There were petitions online. The people who think they should be gloating should be thanking every an any person who made their voice known to put the pressure on to have the right thing done.

That's the way our democracy is supposed to work. I see no reason you should have to consider this a crow eating event on your part at all.

Regards

[yardwork]

53. I agree.

[mkultra]

26. we get to voice our opinions now.

[jberryhill]

27. I cannot understand why anyone feels vindicated by mere words /nt

[mvd]

28. Especially since no one should be happy with Obama yet

I'm glad he took a step away from the outright denial of prosecution that was coming out of the administration. If he has a plan, I'm willing to see if it works. But no celebrating yet.

[vaberella]

29. He doesn't have to have a plan.

It's up to the DOJ to see if any laws were broken, as interpreted. Not O. That's the big thing. It's not up to O to do any of what you want him to do. He's not the DOJ...they are called the Department of Justice for a reason.

So yeah, I'm going to celebrate because we're one step closer. It's definitely not O's fault if nothing happens because the ball has always been in the DOJs court not his.

You continuously revert blame to O. He SHARES remember, irrespective if he has the highest seat in the nation. He is not Bush who will do what he wants when he wants it without following the law. He's followed the procedure given and that's the end of it. The rest is solely, as it always has been, in the court of the officials who should have been in charge from the get go. Don't put blame where it's not deserved.

[mvd]

31. I can't celebrate until something is done

That's just how I am. And the President CAN set the tone. And a complete separation between Obama and Holder isn't likely. They've had many consultations already.

And no, I don't put all the blame on Obama. I'm going to have the patience to see this through. But the President definitely has power to persuade.

[vaberella]

34. He set the tone already!!

What more do you want?! What more can you demand from him?! Remember...He IS NOT...he's following a procedure and the methods that he can under the constructs his office upholds. Bush fucked all of that and so I'm sure you got used to that crap the last 8 years. Well O doesn't play that way...he doesn't run over procedures that he is set to uphold.

He clearly said that he won't interfere if the DOJ believes that prosecutions are in order. That's all he can do because he's moved the process. The Admin spoke out of turn but O never has. And I implore you realize he is not Bush because a lot of what you're saying implies you think he is.

[mvd]

35. You're acting like I have to agree with that tone

I do not have to. I'm not going to tell you how YOUR feelings should be. Also, no, he's not even close to Bush.

[vaberella]

37. I'm not telling you to agree...but I obviously don't understand the degree of the tone you want.

It seems unreachable to say the least.

I respect your feelings but you seem to want Obama to actually be the lawyer to prosecute, the way you're talking. All he can do is give it to the department who's job it is to follow through on. The rest is up to DOJ and it's AG Holder who's feet I'm holding to the fire.

I put the focus on who's in charge of the problem, not other parties. Right now AG Holder is in charge and has been from the get-go considering his department. That being said....

I want AG holder to set the tone. And do his duty. President Obama did his part.

[mvd]

40. Not unreachable at all

I really don't think the President's heart is in prosecuting. Yet. Yes, I know he's not the prosecutor, but like it or not, he'll probably have some say on the issue. Giving it time is something many won't do, but I will. To me, his words have been very unclear like with going forward having to be "bipartisan." Sometimes doing the right thing is more important than being bipartisan. As I said, I will not be happy until something is done, and that's a fair stance.

[vaberella]

41. President Obama has stated his stance very clearly.

His words and his words alone I'm discussing. You just don't want to give him the benefit of the doubt and that's fine, Bush did a number on people and I can't deny it. But O is following protocol and that's all I can hope for. He only said the lower cats are off the hook. But he never said anyone else was off the hook. Even Rahm released a statement apologizing for his comment which went against O's comment on who should be held accountable and O always said it was the higher ups, as he put the ones who "created the framework." He doesn't want this crap politicized, but at the moment taht's inevitable. But he NEVER said no one else would be prosecuted.

[mvd]

43. I feel we just disagree

His words haven't been clear, and nothing you have said will make them so to me. In a way, they are contradictory. I have a right to be jaded based on the Democrats' past. And while I'm pleased Obama left an opening, nothing so far has left me optimistic that something will be done. When something is done, that's when I'll really celebrate.

Perhaps we should leave this on the basis that I'm relieved there's an opening. And I'm not expecting him at this point to say they must be prosecuted. Peace.

[davidpdx]

32. The problem is there are a lot of obnoxious people on this board

on all sides of many issues. And that we can all agree on....

[SpartanDem]

45. Ain't that the truth

[tkmorris]

33. Thank you VERY much

I honestly don't feel as if I fall into either camp really, but the lack of civility around here lately is appalling. I applaud any attempts to improve on that situation.

[salguine]

36. Besides, nothing's happened yet. I'm certainly hoping otherwise, but I'll bet

this goes the way of all those subpoenas issued to Rove, Libby, Cheney etc. etc. etc.

[vaberella]

38. Talk to Holder since it's his job and duty to follow through on this. n/t

[psychopomp]

48. It sounds like you are attempting to seperate President Obama and the outcome of the DOJ on this

The AG serves the President.

[OwnedByFerrets]

39. Im not quite sure I understand ....

I feel vindicated by the statement from the president today. I, as well as a ton of others, voiced my opinions and evidently they were heard. It hopefully means that raising our voices and letting "this" administration know how we feel might be listened to.....unlike the last joke of the presidency.
I do, however, appreciate your post for its decency.:toast:

[AtomicKitten]

42. I am so relieved, so happy and I'm holding on to that tonight.

People have tried to knock that down - so this ugly works both ways ya know ;) - and I just want to embrace positive for one night. Which is why I'm logging off.

Thanks for the warning on behavior, Hitler. :)

"It's showing your ass" made me think of this:

[SpartanDem]

46. I agree

there has been too much of an tendency to jump the off the cliff at the slightest hitch by his biggest detractors and this kneejerking has been rightly criticized. But this doesn't excuse the same reaction by those who are his biggest supporters it's best to just see how this thing plays out.

[woo me with science]

47. This is why they call you Dangermouse.

:patriot:

[alwysdrunk]

49. It helps ME!

HA ha hahahaH! That's what they get for being contrary trolls.

[Jennicut]

50. I get ya Danger Mouse.

There is way to much name calling on this board to begin with. I am happy, I will leave it at that.

[rvablue]

51. I agree. The nanna-nanna-boo-boo threads yesterday were lame. n/t

[Teaser]

52. "keeping some form of sanity on this forum"

yeah, ok. :)

[politicasista]

54. Kick

I don't consider myself an "Obamabot." I am just a supporter of PO. I am a big supporter of the First Family (FLMO, SAM, and Granny Robinson). :fistbump:

There will be times where I will disagree (or have) with his decisions, but considering what he has inherited so far, he is doing a good job. :thumbsup: And I don't need to gloat about all of the above. However, if facts are wrong, they need not go unchallenged.

We need to remember that this campaign/election was not about Obama. It was about us.


Good post.

[Phx_Dem]

55. Instead of lecturing us, maybe you should offer some sage advice

to the "constantly outraged" crowd about tempering their outrage until they know, or understand, the facts. A little perspective from them would be nice for a change.

They've been outraged about something new every other week and it's getting a little old.

[Undercurrent]

56. Works both ways.

Gloating and being obnoxious doesn't help anybody.
Attacking and being obnoxious doesn't help anybody either.

Being obnoxious repels people from your point of view. It only creates frustration, stirs anger and results in bitter feelings. It's the cowboy way, not the way of open discussion and finding solutions.