There is No Greater TRAITOR to the U.S. than Dick Cheney

[berni_mccoy]

He was behind the forged "yellow-cake" documents and was behind the lies that took us to war with Iraq, killing more Americans and innocent civilians than any terrorist.

He was behind the release of secret information that blew Valerie Plame's cover and destroyed the best Nuclear Intelligence program to date. Because of this we lost sight of nuclear developments in Iran and North Korea, many agents and assets died and more had their careers ruined.

There can be no doubt that Cheney is the greatest Traitor to America that has ever been seen.

I find his comments about the current administration so ridiculous on their face. How dare such a traitor accuse this administration of anything.

[Peacetrain]

1. K&R..

[Sequoia]

2. Worse than Benidict Arnold.

100% worse.

[liberal N proud]

68. Far worse

[lsewpershad]

69. Is there law which would allow for prosecution as a traitor

[Zynx]

73. At least Benedict Arnold was extremely useful at one point. His military record

on behalf of the Continental Army prior to his treason was almost without comparison. That's why his treason was so devastating.

[Sequoia]

82. And let's not forget man others were upset with Geroge W(ashington)!

and wanted to throw in the towel. But yet, ole Arnie has quite the hero in the French Indian war. His wife wanted the good life and being a rebel sure wasn't going to get her the lifestyle she was used to.

[baldguy]

3. Dick Cheney = Benedict Arnold

Al Qaeda's best friend in Washington.

[Froward69]

8. and yet not one

of the neocons can grasp the concept... especially cheney

[Ohio Joe]

4. The problem is...

The scale of treachery is massive and the traitors numerous, I find it difficult to discern which one of them is the greatest traitor.

[berni_mccoy]

5. Cheney was the head of the beast.

[Ganja Ninja]

6. He was probably behind the anthrax murders too.

Can we just waterboard a confession out of him already and get it over with. We all know he's guilty as sin.

[Muttocracy]

39. took Cipro before the letters, told Leahy to f* himself... yup. nt

[butterfly77]

7. He also had a conflict of interest ...

in relationship to Halliburton and contracts. He also made back door deals with oil companies and the congress were not permitted to attend.

[SalviaBlue]

22. Yea, its funny how a conflict of interest is no longer considered a problem.

This always amazes me. How could he have been placed in such a postition of power considering his conflicts of interest. (I know the answer to my question... he chose himself, but its amazing that he got away with it.)

[Muttocracy]

40. His energy policy stuff just has to be illegal, doesn't it? nt

[solara]

9. Hear! Hear!

I believe Cheney is finally going to fall.

The media is not going to be able to stop the momentum this time and Cheney's hubris will finally be his downfall.

The rats will begin to bail soon I think

:patriot:

[City Lights]

10. I couldn't agree more!

He is an enemy of the United States of America and should be treated as such!

:nuke:

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that his last breath will be taken from inside a jail cell.

[BreweryYardRat]

29. "Inside a jail cell?"

Fuck that. I want to see his last breath come at the end of a rope.

Try him, convict him, and legally execute him for his treason.

[Webster Green]

76. Yeah, I want to see that happen as well.

And I'm against the death penalty, but making an exception in his case!

Hang him by his nuts until dead. }(

[Optical.Catalyst]

48. Dick Cheney should get life in prison with a live streaming web cam

Anytime a person is feeling down, they could call up the Cheney Cam on the internet and watch him enjoy his fate for a short while.

I know it would make me feel better.

[Canuckistanian]

62. That's an excellent idea

It would be the modern-day equivalent of impaling his head on a pike outside the castle.

Say, come to think of it.....

[City Lights]

75. A Cheney Cam is a *great* idea!

I'd pay good money for the opportunity to stand in front of his cell and poke at him with a stick. :evilgrin:

[Qutzupalotl]

11. He ordered NORAD to conduct training exercises in Sept. 2001

that left the Eastern seaboard vulnerable to attack. This according to Mike Ruppert in his book "Crossing the Rubicon."

Cheney had been meeting extensively with intelligence agencies in 2001, who had gotten wind of an attack coming in September. He needed an excuse to invade Afghanistan in order to secure the pipeline, and this was convenient.

It's not hard to imagine Cheney dissuading Bush from acting on the August 6, 2001 PDB.

Cheney had motive, means and opportunity. No conspiracy required: he was in a position to let 9-11 happen on his own. If true, this is treason of the highest magnitude. This would top them all.

[WinkyDink]

27. September 11, 2001, to be precise. That is why confusion reigned among honest patriots.

[BrklynLiberal]

12. No doubt about it!!!

[tridim]

13. I have a feeling that as facts come out we're going to find that Rummy is right up there with Dick

[berni_mccoy]

14. Rummy: 2nd greatest traitor from the North, East, West South to battle with the resources we have

[islandgirl808]

24. has Rumsfeld been doing the media rounds?

i haven't seen anything from him yet, just Cheney, Rove, and Zowelski (sp??).

[Voice for Peace]

45. I think Rumsfeld has disappeared.

Maybe in Paraguay.

[mwb970]

50. The republicans have a new spokesliar!

For months now, Boss Rush Limbaugh has been chief spokesliar and enforcer for the collection of pitiful degenerates known as the republican party. We all wondered, why are they letting someone with a national favorability rating of under 30% represent them to the public? Won't his rantings drive away the new supporters they so desperately need?

I guess the republicans finally saw that Limbaugh was an alienating force. Time for a new spokesliar! So, let's trot out a guy whose favorability ratings are even lower than Limbaugh's and have him recycle a bunch of debunked lies while talking to reliably clueless enabler Sean Hannity! Yeah, that's the ticket.

:eyes:

[Golden Raisin]

56. These arrogant people have

utter contempt and disdain for democracy, think they are above any law, and believe they are the enlightened and entitled elite who "know better" and were born to lead the rest of us peons. They have been a malignant cancer on this nation.

[Cha]

15. dick cheney can do it..i.e.

"accuse this administration" of anything that comes to his heinous mind because he's scared shitless of getting convicted for his part in torture.

And, I'm thinking all those reporters who stood up for dick cheney don't want the corporatemedia to be held accountable for their part in making sure the public went along with the War on Iraq and everything else cheney gang got away with.

[berni_mccoy]

17. "he's scared shitless of getting convicted for his part in torture"

Yep.

[uponit7771]

16. AMEN !!!! Involved in targeting one of our own agents in a time of war

[Enthusiast]

18. I'll say it again.

The most diabolical figure in American History.

[Uncle Joe]

19. I agree, berni. I also believe

his attorney David Addington was the true intellectual legal power behind the notion of the "Unitary Executive," while dominating Yoo and Gonzalez just as Cheney was the real power over Bush in that dysfunctional maladministration.

I'm convinced Cheney chose Bush to run as a figurehead President because Bush had a name, was from a large state, was incurious at best with little or no ethical compulsions. The search for Bush's Vice-Presidential running mate was just a sham exercise for public consumption. The oil/military industrial complex supporting Cheney figured he couldn't win outright as President because he was from a small state, while also having a bad ticker. Their marketing people may have also felt that Cheney's inherent evilness would be too large of a challenge to overcome whereas Bush could use the I'm too stupid to be dangerous camouflage.

[destes]

46. pretty good post Uncle Joe

I'd just add one thing. The banking/insurance industry is co-dependent with the "oil/military industrial complex".

Deregulation of one equates to violation of Geneva and other international agreements, the other, Great Depression 2.0.

[Jennicut]

61. Awesome post. Cheney was the power behind it all. So nice and easy that he picked himself to be VP!

The man is an evil bastard.

[nichomachus]

20. Another one of those threads

that you wish you could recommend twice.

[texpatriot2004]

21. Dick Cheney is the "American Judas" nm

[SemiCharmedQuark]

23. That is so true. Thinking about what will be released in 20 years or so makes my hair stand on end.

[Life Long Dem]

25. Who knows where this one will end.

:patriot:

[WinkyDink]

26. Totally agree, 100%. TRAITOR. For MONEY.

[Ikonoklast]

28. QUISLING BASTARD CHENEY

Sold out our country to his Masters for a few coins.

Traitor.

Treason.

Torturer.

MURDERER.

[berni_mccoy]

30. Yes.

[WatchWhatISay]

65. And sadist.

Don't forget that one.

I'd like to see more exploration by the media of his sadistic nature.

[President Decider]

31. CHENEY'S PICTURE SHOULD BE NEXT TO THE WORD "EVIL" IN WEBSTER'S DICTIONARY ...

Evil to the core ....

[cascadiance]

32. Maybe we should have a poll on whether he committed a bigger crime than VP Aaron Burr...

... who killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel.

[Number23]

33. You're damned right. Happy to rec

[cliffordu]

34. Him and his BFFE Phil Graham pretty much raped the country and murdered

The Constitution.

[TheBigotBasher]

35. Absolutely

K&R

[AtomicKitten]

36. Yes he is. K&R

[Occam Bandage]

37. Except for the fact that he hasn't actually committed treason, yes. nt

[AtomicKitten]

38. Arguably he did when outed Valerie Plame.

GEORGE H.W. BUSH: "I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors."

Speech at CIA, 4/26/99

[Occam Bandage]

42. He very likely committed a crime then. It wasn't treason,

Bush the Elder's theatrics aside. According to the Supreme Court, treason requires adherence to a particular enemy. Unless Cheney was outing Plane specifically to help a foreign power in its hostilities against the United States, then treason didn't occur.

[AtomicKitten]

43. oh, now look what you've done

good thing I prefaced it with "arguably"

:P

[berni_mccoy]

55. The particular enemy in this case would be the Bush Cabal, Haliburton and Exxon.

There is no doubt these three groups conspired to take us into an illegal war for their profit. They became our enemy when they did that.

[Occam Bandage]

58. While I agree with the sentiment,

I don't really think the President of the United States counts as a foreign enemy, nor do I think that bad policy counts as "levying war against the United States." They're perfectly good terms of hyperbole, but I would hope we could avoid confusing hyperbole with literal meaning.

[berni_mccoy]

72. They were aiding and abetting Al Qeada by attacking Iraq and outing operatives

While proving the legal case may be difficult, I'd still like to see them brought to trial in front of a jury. There are many more counts other than treason with which to convict them of.

[Occam Bandage]

77. But that was not the specific intent of their actions.

There were a good number of treason cases in the aftermath of World War II. The Supreme Court found that no matter the damage caused, treason did not occur unless there was a deliberate intent to assist a foreign power, and a deliberate attempt to harm America for the benefit of that foreign power. If "helping the enemy" was all treason meant, then that would mean that anyone who spoke out against a war, or anyone who led a labor strike during a time of war, ought be executed for treason.

I do agree that there are plenty of things to nail Cheney on. I don't like treason, mostly because I still have a bad taste in my mouth from all the times right-wingers have said that anti-war activities are treasonous.

[berni_mccoy]

79. I hear ya. But I would still like them to have to defend against the charge.

[Occam Bandage]

80. As LBJ said, "of course it's not (true), but let's make the bastard deny it."

[Uncle Joe]

81. Then I take from your post, it's possible Cheney committed treason if deliberate intent

to aid Al Qaeda can be proven?

[Occam Bandage]

85. Yes.

If evidence were to arise that Cheney deliberately intended to aid al-Qaeda in its efforts against America, it would be possible that he committed treason. I don't want to say that he certainly committed treason in that case, because the Executive branch does have some degree of leeway in deciding what the interests of America are.

As a rough example of what I mean by that: The Soviet Union under Stalin was expansionist, aggressive, and was adamant about the fact that they intended to use all Russia's resources as an engine to spread Communism across the entire globe. However, I don't think it would be fair to claim FDR/Truman committed treason by giving aid to Stalin and by making land concessions in Eastern Europe, despite the fact that there was clear intent to aid an enemy of the United States in its ongoing war against the West. Why? Because he was aiding the Soviet Union as a means of fighting an even greater enemy of the United States, being the Axis Powers. The President determined that the security of the country dictated that America temporarily assist one enemy to fight another, and should another lesser-of-two-evils-for-the-greater-good situation arise in the future, I think it's best that the leadership of America have the ability to assist one enemy to fight another, even if doing so may not be the wisest course of action (as our experience funding extremists in Afghanistan shows).

However, if Cheney were to have assisted al-Qaeda in its fight against America, I highly doubt there would be such a compelling justification. If he were doing so simply to ensure al-Qaeda remained a threat (with all the political benefits that brings), then I would be very interested in having a court decide exactly how far the President's ability to decide what's best for America goes.

[Uncle Joe]

87. I totally agree with this sentence.

"However, if Cheney were to have assisted al-Qaeda in its fight against America, I highly doubt there would be such a compelling justification."

Unlike the Soviet Union during World War 2, Al Qaeda was the primary enemy attacking us, whereas the Soviet Union of that time were our allies in a hot war.

[Uncle Joe]

71. Would Al Qaeda be considered a foreign power, also do you believe

diverting our resources toward the war with Iraq, helped Al Qaeda in it's war with the United States?

From what I understand, they had Osama Bin Laden cornered at Tora Bora in Dec. 01 but didn't have enough American Troops on the ground to close the trap.

It seems to me, while the rhetoric was great immediately after 9/11 to engage Al Qaeda and capture or kill the leadership of that foreign enemy, the action by Cheney/Bush toward that effect was half-hearted at best.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x706441

[Occam Bandage]

78. Yes, and yes.

See my posts above for why I do not believe that constitutes treason.

[Hutzpa]

86. But.. but.....

I thought Valerie Plame was outed because 1) She was in the way of them proving Saddam has obtain yellow cake from Niger and 2) She also found out the derivatives where coming from the White House.

Unless I'm mistaken, but if true, shouldn't that be seen as a treason in outing an Ambassador's wife
:shrug: lets live out the fact she was a CIA agent for a sec and focus on the Ambassadorial outing, just wondering....

[Occam Bandage]

88. If it was done for purely political reasons, then it is by that very fact not treason.

Treason is a crime of both action and intent. The intent requirement is twofold: it needs to be to assist a particular foreign nation, and to accomplish that by harming America.

[Sugarcoated]

41. I still can't believe that inhuman filth

was heading this country during my lifetime. The history books will not be kind to that evil man, I really believe people will look back on this time in our history and wonder how it could happen. And we were watching in horror, the press assisting and the Democrats just rolling over. What a terrible nightmare, what a mess we have now from this mans evil agenda.

[gauguin57]

44. Waterboard him waterboard him waterboard him waterboard him.

And when you're done with that, waterboard him.

[mwb970]

51. 266 times! /nt

[democrank]

47. Five deferments during the Vietnam War and he still

managed an influential positon from which he lectured others on service and patriotism. The man is depraved and dangerous and must be held accountable for the hell he has caused.


How many people are dead because of him? http://icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx

[mwb970]

49. Eight *years* of crimes from this sociopathic snake.

Every single time some fresh hell is revealed about the desperately evil, criminal bush "administration", the investigation always, always leads to one place and one place only: the office of the Vice President.

cheney has been on a crime spree since appointing himself VP and stealing the 2000 election. I honestly have never seen or heard of a more vile, evil person occupying a position of power in our government. The Dick is the worst we have ever endured.

It would just be too much to stand if this traitor goes completely unpunished! No matter how many times he appears in interviews with his dunderheaded idiot butt-buddy Sean Hannity.

:mad:

[Orsino]

52. Once you let the media install him as veep...

...you have to endure the media's pretending to take him seriously.

[mod mom]

53. Cheney is the face of EVIL!

[olegramps]

54. What I find really disturbing about this whole affair:

The vast majority of Republicans refuse to condemn this man. They have countered with condemnation of President Obama for releasing the documents that show that the Bush administration is guilty of ordering torture. They were so desperate in their attempt to establish a link between Iraq and 9-11 they resorted to despicable acts of torture. Even when they failed to do this, Cheney went on record several times repeating the lie that Saddam was conspiring with al Qaeda. Without openly condemning the PNAC fascists that hijacked their party, I can not see how the Republican Party can recover. We could actually be seeing the death of the morally bankrupt Republican Party.

[CaptJasHook]

57. No, Cheney is unconscionable. But my gut tells me to follow the money. n/t

[SeaLyons]

59. K&R

:kick:

[duhneece]

60. Amen! nt

[flyarm]

63. Cheney is a evil scum bag..and he needs to be investigated and taken to trial

for war crimes and crimes against humanity!

Enough of the hand holding..these fuckers all need to be held accountable and anyone who aided and abetted them as well!..on both sides of the isle.

Robbing a bank is against the law.

Selling marijuana and in possession of marijuana has landed many in this country in prison ..because it is against the law.

Torture is against the law.. IT IS AGAINST THE LAW..there are no excuses..none.

Anyone involved in the breaking of our laws needs to be tried and if convicted ..they need to go to prison..irregardless of who the fuck they are. NO ONE IS ABOVE OUR LAWS..PERIOD.

The treaties that we signed and in many cases helped write are part of our constitution..to break those treaties is to break our laws.

Many have now broken our laws in regards to torture, and sorry to say some in our own party were privy to the breaking of those laws and even supported the breaking of the laws..they all need to be held accountable..or we are no longer a nation of laws.

No commission..that would be another damn joke to the world and to ourselves as law abiding citizens...and another damn white wash...

As parents and grandparents who tell our children each and every day that they must be responsible and the worst thing they can do is break our laws...we would all be remiss if we do not put all the pressure we can to hold the law breakers accountable to our laws and our courts and our justice system..not a damn commission..No more CYA policies.

Let the chips fall where they will..everyone who broke our laws must be held accountable..with a special prosecutor...Independent.

[mwb970]

64. We're going to get you this time, Dick. I mean it.

And don't you dare die now, either. No Ken Lay defense!

[lonestarnot]

66. Mechanical man coward! crashcartdick

[SlingBlade]

67. Yep, Except perhaps the Bush Family K&R

[barbtries]

70. kick

i hope he lives long enough to see the inside of a cell. without his taxpayer-supported rolling medical team by his side.

[sammythecat]

74. Cheney is the worst of the worst.

Just a horrible man.

Given the "right" circumstances, he could have easily been one of the most notorious villains in history. I think he'd be fully capable of any evil. I mean, is there any doubt he would have fit right in with the Nazi regime? That would have been a perfect environment for him.

[Butch350]

83. In My Opinion...

All of the last administration were traitors to this country. And their greatest crime was sending our BRAVE
men and women of the fighting forces to their deaths in IRAQ and that includes innocent IRAQ citizens!

[Butch350]

84. Deleted dupicate comment.