Would a Christian nation ever use torture?

[hedgehog]

I offer this question as a public service. I am not responsible for any damages resulting from exploding fundy heads.

[Clio the Leo]

1. Ha ha .... nor would it use the death penalty.

But as a Christian, I am VERY glad that our current President behaves toward others in a more Christian manner than any other President we've seen in a while.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

2. No one has ever topped the irony of "Who Would Jesus Torture" IMO. nt

[phleshdef]

3. For argument's sake, lets say the story of Jesus is all 100% true, he would not be very happy...

...considering he was tortured about as bad as anyone could be.

[Clio the Leo]

5. Ehh ..... they were just keeping the rest of the Jews safe...

.... from terrorist attack. :)

[hedgehog]

9. According to some accounts, that's exactly what happened......

From John 11:

So the chief priests and the Pharisees convened the Sanhedrin and said, "What are we going to do? This man is performing many signs.
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If we leave him alone, all will believe in him, and the Romans will come 10 and take away both our land and our nation."
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But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, 11 said to them, "You know nothing,
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nor do you consider that it is better for you that one man should die instead of the people, so that the whole nation may not perish."
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He did not say this on his own, but since he was high priest for that year, he prophesied that Jesus was going to die for the nation,
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and not only for the nation, but also to gather into one the dispersed children of God. 12
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So from that day on they planned to kill him.

[Clio the Leo]

10. I know ...

... didn't work, then .... wont work now.

However...

Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12:17-21

[olegramps]

25. Unfortunately that was exactly the justification.

[dalaigh lllama]

4. Is the Pope Catholic?

Do bears defecate in the woods?

[mcctatas]

6. The crazy thing with fundies is that when they are talking about

their own responsibilities to the world, they are all about the New Testament interpretation that you are saved through Jesus alone, but they are all ready to go Old Testament on anyone they don't agree with or to excuse their own heinous fuckery! :crazy:

[HereSince1628]

7. But of COURSE...See notes on the Holy Inquisition, Defenders of the Faith

The current Ratty Pope is a former head of that office.

[YOY]

8. Depends on your personal definition of 'Christian'

What I grew up learning what was 'Christian' isn't what the fundies believe at all.

[Clio the Leo]

11. Isn't that the truth. NT

[Dragonfli]

15. Very True - a sincere disciple of Christ wouldn't even imagine doing such things

Unfortunately I have only ever met two people in 45 years that followed Christ's teachings.
Neither called themselves Christians, and I doubt if any who use that term are anything other than sheep following evil mean cloaked in piety.

It is an evil religion now that they have forgotten him.

[hedgehog]

19. The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting.

It has been found difficult and left untried.--G. K. Chesterton

[AtomicKitten]

12. Because many of today's "Christians" emulate the Old Testament and not the peaceful Christ figure.

[leftofthedial]

13. Well, if two thousand years of history is any indication...

hell yes.

Over and over and over and over and over again.

[grantcart]

14. I reread the Book of Matthew today and could not find the verse I was looking for

Blessed are the Enhanced Interagators for they will divine true knowledge

Blessed are the Torturers for they will make criminal prosecutions impossible.




Oh BTW there is no such thing as a "Christian Nation" or "Christian culture" etc. Only individuals can convert and accept the Christian message, even a country with 100% practicing Christians would not be "Christian" by definition.

[Ohio Dem]

16. Spanish Inquisition

Weren't they "Christians?"

I think maybe a "Christian" nation is more likely to torture than a "Secular" nation.

[hedgehog]

20. I've often wondered if the Spanish Inquisition could be considered a remnant

of the Roman Empire.

[msanthrope]

31. But did you expect it??? n/t

[Democrats_win]

17. The Wholly American Empire did.

Not "Holy" because, the false "christians" have again and again made America hypocritical. We see this in how they apply morals to some groups but not others, namely the economic satans on Fraud Street.

[baldguy]

18. Torquemada would say no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5McSEU48Y8

[ZombieHorde]

21. Yes. nt

[beyurslf]

22. I believe many times nations have done terrible things in the name of Christ. Lots of

christ followers today are rotten people who justify their actions by their god. Based on history, I would have to say yes a christian nation would be okay with torture.

[vaberella]

23. As per Hannity: No, they would use enhanced interrogation tactics.

Talk about lipstick on swine.

[Froward69]

24. Considering torture was used

by the Spanish inquisition. if the fundies knew that they could/would attempt to use that argument. yet those of them that do know that argument know it has no weight to it.

[olegramps]

26. It is a waste of time to attempt to Christianize these animals.

Its just throwing pearls before swine. These are the heinous wolves in sheep's clothing who will devour you. The weeds that are to be gathered up at harvest time and burned.

[saltpoint]

27. I'm not seeing any argument in favor of torture, by a Christian or by

anyone else.

[jberryhill]

28. Burning At The Stake? Dunking? Gee... Tough Question...

When Calvin requested that Servetus be executed by decapitation rather than fire, Farel, in a letter of September 8, chided him for undue lenience. The Geneva Council refused his request. On 27 October 1553 Servetus was burned at the stake just outside Geneva with what was believed to be the last copy of his book chained to his leg. Historians record his last words as: "Jesus, Son of the Eternal God, have mercy on me."

[Vidar]

29. Christ is an inconvenience to the fundies who run to the Old Testament to justify their atrocities.

[WinkyDink]

30. Yes. A Deistic nation of The Enlightenment, no. But interesting that so many are using Catholic

history for their examples, when American "Christianity" is by and large understood to be Protestant (so-called "Christian schools" are not Catholic, e.g.)when spoken of in the media.

Have there been no atrocities in the name of Protestantism of one sect or another (hello, hanged Salem "witches")?

[conscious evolution]

32. Wasn't Spain a christian country

back in the days of the Inquisition?
Then the answer would be yes.
Funny how history has a habit of repeating itself.

[WeDidIt]

33. A Christian Nation MANDATED Torture

The Vatican used torture.

Spain, as a Christian nation, used torture.

Lot's of Christian nations used torture.

[HopeOverFear]

34. Don't you know anything? Waterboarding is ok as long as it's done to NON-christians

:sarcasm:

[Hellataz]

35. Yes, they are all about that "Eye for an Eye" BS

Besides they've convinced themselves that whatever the christian nation does is not torture because inherently they are pure and nothing they do is evil.