The best thing about HRC losing to Obama

[joeprogressive]

We have the most kick ass SOS. I am so proud of Hillary and I think she will continue to do great things for our country and restore our credibility around the world.

[BlooInBloo]

1. I've been very happy with the way she's followed the President's directions.

[CTyankee]

6. I don't think she is just standing there taking orders. He doesn't want any "yes men/women."

She has plenty of foreign policy gravitas all on her own. He wouldn't have tapped her for SOS if she didn't...(and yes, I am totally aware of the politics of it all).

[BlooInBloo]

7. I never said otherwise.

[CTyankee]

9. OK, sorry. I must've been a little cross this morning...n/t

[ClarkUSA]

8. "She has plenty of foreign policy gravitas all on her own."

No, she really doesn't -- that's what the special envoys have -- but it was a politically astute appointment on Pres. Obama's part,
which is turning out the way I expected: she is following the President's lead, as every Cabinet official must.

[Beacool]

11. And Obama has even less. What's your point?

Can't you two ever stop from crapping on every Hillary thread.

Pathetic........

:thumbsdown:

[ClarkUSA]

12. I disagree though I never said he has "plenty of foreign policy gravitas". What's your point?

As POTUS and the promulgator of the popular Obama Doctrine, he definitely has "foreign policy gravitas" than Hillary in the eyes of the world.

[Beacool]

14. Clark, in good faith,

why can't you just lay off once in a while? There's no need to try to put Hillary down on every thread about her.

[ClarkUSA]

15. What are you talking about?

[mkultra]

16. to be fair

I avoid slamming Hillary out of respect, but i do think many of the obama bashers are pro Hillary folks from pre primary days. If post your share.

[Beacool]

22. True,

but it works both ways. Most of the Hillary bashers were Obama supporters in the primaries.

:-)

[mkultra]

23. Also true, but

My point is that while most of the Hillary bashing has subsided, the obama bash continues at break neck speed powered by what seems to be the anger of those who supported his primary challenger.

In short, i think both Hillary and Obama deserve our respect, patience and support.

[Beacool]

27. I get your point.

:hi:

[Arugula Latte]

18. That's funny.

You put Obama down every chance you get.

[Beacool]

20. No, only when I don't agree with him.

I don't go and piss on every positive Obama thread out there.

[ClarkUSA]

26. rofl! You posted an OP featuring Rush Limbaugh's "Teleprompter-In-Chief" visual as a "joke" and...

... you also have brought up Rev. Wright, Obama's "present" votes, etc. in totally unrelated OPs since Pres. Obama took office.

All "in good faith" of course. :eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

67. comparative analysis is lost on the insight-impaired n/t

[William769]

19. Beacool trust me it's not worth it.

Just walk away and you will be the better person for it.

[Beacool]

21. I've been trying to ignore the two at the top of the thread,

but they are downright annoying. Their constant disingenuous attempts to belittle Hillary are offensive. The woman is one of the smartest persons in any room. They act as if Obama is holding her down with a foot to her neck, they obviously don't know her. Hillary doesn't do anything that she doesn't want to do. If she and Obama were not in sync she wouldn't have taken the job in the first place. It is obvious that they have a good working relationship, to the chagrin of some.

[laugle]

59. He's damn

lucky she took the job! It's going to be a horrendous challenge. It's always the usual suspects who can't let it go.........

As far as criticism of the POTUS, it goes with the job. Hold on to your hats--it's going to get a lot worse!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

36. seconded.

[ronnykmarshall]

40. Thirded

[Jakes Progress]

42. He needs it.

Without a Hillary thread to jump in on, he withers. Let him have his fun. His little tantrums don't hurt her, and makes him feel so good.

[Name removed]

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[Hieronymus]

37. Of course Hillary follows the President's wishes.

[ronnykmarshall]

39. Sunrise, sunset.

[salguine]

43. It's not crapping on anything if it's true. Hillary Clinton was not the most

qualified choice to be Secretary of State. She'd never held any diplomatic posts and never negotiated anything, which should have been the very minimum requirement for such a post. When she kept talking about her "experience" during the campaign, she was talking about her time as First Lady, which was an absurd claim to make—she confused proximity to power with work experience. There were a number of other prospective candidates for the post who were eminently more qualified.

I'm not speaking out of partisanship or like or dislike of her personally. I'm just stating an objective fact.

Now, before you paint me as a hate-spewing, hate-filled, hate monster seething with hate, let me say: I think it's too soon to judge how effective Clinton has been as Secretary of State, but early indications seem to suggest she's doing an okay job so far.

[AtomicKitten]

64. Your post is factually correct. n/t

[Captain Hilts]

48. ClarkUSA wasn't here in time to say she only does what the prez tells her to do with no input. nt

[ClarkUSA]

77. Um, wrong again. I said, "I'm sure Hillary has input" yesterday at 11:21 AM.

Here's what I said yesterday:

"I'm sure Hillary has some input, as all Cabinet officials do, but there's no doubt who's directing the foreign policy of this nation via the Obama Doctrine."

Notice that the time stamp puts my comment as happening before yours. You need to stop bashing me and start telling the truth about my views on Hillary, which are not quite as unquestioningly adoring as those who are attacking me on this thread but are nonetheless quite valid in their own right.

[empyreanisles]

2. I agree, she has been incredible. But I expected so.

I voted for Obama, but have always been a huge fan of Bill/Hillary for years. We have two superstars confident in their abilities and not keen to step on each other toes.

That being said, the title of this thread is bound to cause another primary spat. Consider renaming it. :)

[joeprogressive]

3. It was meant to draw people in, a shameless ploy

n/t

[Saturday]

4. Agree. she's a team player. nt

[denem]

5. The best thing about the HRC/Obama contest

was the mutual regard they developed for each other as politicians.

[Captain Hilts]

55. It was Ali-Frazier every week. And it scared the @#*! out of the Republican party.

[Beacool]

10. Well, it's not the "best" thing as far as I'm concerned.

The best thing for me would have been if she had won. But, she's doing a great job at State and seems content.

;)

[emilyg]

31. For me, too. I adore her.

[TTUBatfan2008]

32. Honest question...

Why? Hero worship is never a good thing. I'm skeptical as hell towards Obama, Clinton, or any other politician for that matter. There are a few out there who don't constantly change their positions. Obama and Clinton aren't part of that group.

[Captain Hilts]

49. You don't get to be a finalist like BO an HC w/o selling your soul in some way. You have to lean on

ALL of them.

I'm not a very good groupie either.

[TTUBatfan2008]

57. Exactly...

The ones who stay true to themselves, even if you disagree with them, are always marginalized by the power brokers behind the scenes. I don't agree with Ron Paul on a whole host of issues, but he has more principle in his pinky finger than these hypocritical neo-cons that are running the Rethug Party and yet he's the one who is labeled "crazy" and turned into an irrelevant politician. He's always been against big spending and has never stood down from that stance. He's always been against the Federal Reserve and has never stood down...and it turns out the Fed has helped create this financial crisis, so Ron Paul has more credibility on that issue than people who shrug off the idea that the Fed is bad for our country. He's also been against interventionist foreign policy and yet he's been marginalized by the Rethugs for that one (and he turned out right on it as well...look at Iraq or Vietnam). He's stood by his principles while all the other Rethugs claim to be against big spending when they supported Bush's insane spending and still support his disastrous foreign policy as well as the idea that the Federal Reserve is a good thing.

On the left we have Dennis Kucinich among others who have been marginalized but who have always stood firm by their principles instead of giving in to what the party power brokers behind the scenes want. Dennis would not pander to the military industrial complex or financial power brokers like Obama and Clinton have been known to do.

[emilyg]

72. I don't hero worship - really like her

She smart, good mother, always prepared. I like the way she handled her personal crisis. Very gracious woman - I met her and she made me feel like she was really listening to me.

[hileeopnyn8d]

13. She's a great SOS and

they make a great team, I never had any doubts.

That said - The best thing about HRC losing to Obama, is HRC losing to Obama. :P

[mkultra]

17. she is doing well in the role.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

24. also we have a less polarizing president. as much as i love hrc, i think obama

has a more calming effect on non-democrats

[TTUBatfan2008]

28. For independents perhaps...

but the right wingers hate both of them pretty much the same amount.

[mkultra]

29. no need to concern yourself about them, they will laways be unhappy

some people will never be pleased. its just in their nature.

[TTUBatfan2008]

30. Indeed...

I call them the 25 percenters. They are the diehards of the diehards who worshiped Bush despite the staggering number of screwups by his administration.

[Beacool]

33. I beg to differ.

It appears that according to polls he's the most polarizing president in recent history. He's extremely popular with Democrats, less so with Independents and not at all with Republicans.

I don't remember the poll, but it was posted here somewhere.

Regardless, the "polarizing" meme was crap when used against Hillary and it's so when used against Obama. Don't fall for the Repug's talking points.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

34. i think they have had a longer time to work on hrc than obama

in 16 years, if they go unchallenged it will end up being the same way. i dont think it has to do with one candidate being better than the other

[hileeopnyn8d]

38. I found some charts

He's not the most polarizing, he's about the same as Clinton, only he's stronger with independents.

This one is job approval:




This one is overall favorability:



http://people-press.org/report/509/obama-at-100-days

[Beacool]

44. I went and found some too

April 06, 2009

Obama's Polarized America

The recent Pew poll has found that President Obama's job approval is the most polarized for any new President in forty years:



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2009/04/obamas_polarized_america.html

[hileeopnyn8d]

58. Mine came

directly from the Pew website. There may be a wider gap, but the numbers of Republicans that approved of Clinton are nearly identical to Obama's.

I don't come to the same conclusions as that article, I think there's a growing number of Republicans that have jumped ship and are now Independents.

I'm willing to bet that any Democrat would have similar numbers, I'm just glad we won. Period.

[Captain Hilts]

51. Being a high-profile Democrat is polarizing. No matter who it is. nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

54. yes, and obama will be as well. most of the ones i love are the most polarizing

kennedy for one

[Captain Hilts]

56. I'm a Clarkie and Feingold girl. And Jim Webb. nt

[Metric System]

25. Love Hillary and Obama! HATE a couple of posters on this thread.

[ronnykmarshall]

41. and there was one in Bill Clinton thread the other day.

that makes me want to hurl as well.

[Captain Hilts]

50. Well said!

[Dr Fate]

35. One way to look it at, I guess.

Arguably, she may have lost against McCain-if she does a good job for the next 8 years, her POTUS chances may actually be more secure than they would have been.

[Captain Hilts]

52. Actually, two national surveys taken the last week of May showed

her beating McCain by 8 points and Obama beating him by 2 points.

It was the Democrats' year no matter who we ran. We were going to win.

Capt. Hilts, former political pollster.

[ProSense]

61. "surveys taken the last week of May showed her beating McCain by 8...and Obama beating him by 2 "

:rofl:

[Beacool]

75. No, she wouldn't have lost against McCain.

There was no chance in hell that a Republican would have won this election after 8 years of Bush and the economic implosion of last September. Mickey Mouse would have won if he had a D after his name.

;)

[Forkboy]

76. I'm hardly Hillary's biggest fan, but she would have wiped the floor with McCain.

I do agree with your second point about her possibly being in even better shape 8 years down the road though.

[jillan]

46. Totally agree. Hillary is doing an excellent job.

[JNelson6563]

47. They make a great team!

They both make me very proud! :toast:

Julie

[Captain Hilts]

53. We got us a great one-two-three punch. A deep bench. Hence 'Bam and Hil

having that meeting on a picnic bench...

[Beacool]

62. I wish that when they finished the meeting they would have broken in the girls' swings.

I would have paid for that pic.

:D

[Captain Hilts]

70. Me too! I was hoping they tested the swings out. We know Michelle can fit on them...nt

[Vidar]

60. I knew she was capable but she's the star of this administration,

restoring our international credibility after the years of dimwittedness & duplicity.

[ProSense]

63. Actually, the best thing was getting potentially one of the greatest Presidents ever

link

[AtomicKitten]

68. Indeed it is. n/t

[cwcwmack]

65. yeah

no doubt... she's fantastic. I like her a lot. She has a stronger will and constitution (read "balls") than most of her male contemporaries.

I hope she has something planned for the future...

[Raine]

66. She's a GREAT SOS

I bet she will turn out to be the BEST this country has ever had. :thumbsup: :applause:

[Honeycombe8]

69. Me, too. She's doing a great job. I knew she'd be a team player, but I had no idea...

she'd make it SOOOOO clear to the detractors that they wouldn't find a conquer-and-divide advantage in Clinton-Obama.

They are a great team!

[Captain Hilts]

71. Folks believed all the shit the MSM throws at the Clintons. nt

[JimGinPA]

73. Well, She Hasn't Been Perfect...

That Russian "Reset Button" slip up...




























And allowing her photo taken with someone wearing this suit.


:rofl:

[Skip Intro]

74. She makes a great SOS. She would have made a great president too.

There should be no compunction about stating that rather obvious fact.

[Thothmes]

78. In 3 years she will be running against him for the

nomination.

[Arugula Latte]

79. I don't think so. nt

[Thothmes]

80. We will see.