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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 06:25 PM
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"Obama To (Ben) Nelson: We're Going Around You" (Using Recon. to get Student Loan Reform done)
Edited on Fri Apr-24-09 06:28 PM by Pirate Smile
Obama To Nelson: We're Going Around You

It might not be the most glamorous hill, but it's the one that Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) has vowed to die on. President Obama, however, isn't going to give him that chance.

Nelson is perhaps the Senate's fiercest protector of subsidies for student lending institutions, which, not coincidentally, are an engine of job growth in Nebraska. He has vowed to block any effort to reduce those subsidies. And given that Democrats have 58 members and generally need 60 to break a GOP filibuster, he can enforce his will on his colleagues.

An agreement struck between the president and House and Senate negotiators won't give Nelson that chance. A process known as "reconciliation" allows budgetary measures to be moved through the Senate with a simple majority, rather than 60. Multiple congressional sources say that congressional Democrats have decided to use reconciliation to go after student-lending subsidies, specifically to get around Nelson.

The Nebraska Democrat has become the bane of liberal bloggers and other progressive activists for his insistence on pushing legislation in a more conservative direction. Nelson's critics will no doubt relish the decision to make his threat of a 'no' vote meaningless.

Nelson spokesman Jake Thompson said that Nelson was not the only target of the reconciliation move and that other members of Congress represented constituents who would also be on the losing end of the reform. He noted that NelNet, the Nebraska student lending institution, employs 1,000 people and those jobs would all be at risk of being shipped to Washington, DC.

"He remains opposed. Whatever strategy he might pursue to exercise that opposition, we're not at that point yet," he said. "Maybe we can work something out."

UPDATE: An important comment from a reader e-mail:

I think the public needs to know exactly what the current student loan program does and why it is such a giveaway to the banks. I think people don´t know, probably because most of the news coverage is about whether or not a bill will pass rather than what it means.

Simply, the current system forces all student loans to be made through banks. The banks charge a medium range of interest--not terribly high, but not terribly low, either. The government GUARANTEES the loans so there is absolutely no risk for the banks.

During Clinton´s term, the student loan plan allowed universities to offer much lower loans by borrowing directly from the government. Students did not have to go through a bank and this shaved 2 or 3 percentage points off the cost of the loan. Neither did it cost the government anything since the money was repaid. But when the Bushies came in, they forced all loans to go through banks, jacking up the interest rates and guaranteeing a profit with no risk for the banks. The government still backed all the loans.

It is a classic example of how lobbying creates direct subsidies for businesses who win their lobbying efforts.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/24/obama-to-nelson-were-goin_n_191201.html


Perhaps that is why Nelson is doing this:

Sen. Nelson 'Concerned' About Johnsen, 'Usually Opposes' Obstruction

Most of the focus on the obstruction of Dawn Johnsen has been on Republicans. They're the ones who might hold up her nomination, or stage a filibuster (i.e. file for cloture) so there's some good reason for that.

But what about pro-life Democrats? A Congressional Quarterly report this morning suggests that one pro-life Democratic senator--to wit Ben Nelson (D-PA)--might not support her nomination.

"Senator Nelson is very concerned about the nomination of Dawn Johnsen, based on her previous position as Counsel for NARAL. He believes that the Office of Legal Counsel is a position in which personal views can have an impact and is concerned about her outspoken pro-choice views on abortion," said spokesman Clay Westrope.


Ah, but there's an important technical distinction between "not supporting" a nominee and "actively filibustering" her. The question comes down to how Nelson would vote if Republicans subject Johnsen to a cloture vote. I spoke with a Nelson staffer myself just a moment ago and he didn't officially take the option off the table.

"He hasn't decided yet."


But the staffer also says "the senator doesn't support obstruction and usually votes for cloture."

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/sen-nelson-concerned-about-johnsen-usually-opposes-obstruction.php
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 06:29 PM
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1. This is a big deal (and great news)...
The emailed update really does a good job of explaining students have been getting screwed over this in order to get more profit to the banks.

Obama isn't taking shit from anyone.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:19 PM
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7. True. I'm glad he added that to the end of the column.
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 06:34 PM
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2. About time they stand up to Nelson's crap
He needs to get with the program.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 06:34 PM
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3. It's obvious where this is going.
It's a pissing match between B. Nelson and the President.

Guess who my money's on?

And, damn, we need Franken's vote right now.

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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 06:45 PM
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4. I can't believe the MN Sup Crt didn't put it on the docket until June.
:wtf:
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 06:54 PM
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5. Good for the President. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:07 PM
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6. kick
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:19 PM
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8. By making this a MSM issue, if Nelson succeeds, it will be a major political defeat for Obama. n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 08:05 PM
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14. My money is on President Obama and
not the sniveling ben nelson.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 08:09 PM
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15. I hope you are right. n/t
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 12:10 PM
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24. No, you don't. -nt
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:21 PM
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9. HP did a good job of explaining the student loan changes
I had no idea of those changes. I went to undergrad school during the 90's and so the interest on my student loans is very low, I think I may also have benefited from getting my grad loans early in the 2000's before the wacko changes were made. I hate to see students screwed when they are having a hard enough time already.

Someone ought to put Nelson on a skewer and roast him.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:27 PM
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10. Here lies one of the infested Vermins n/t
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:41 PM
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11. Please do the same for healthcare reform
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 08:03 PM
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13. That's the plan.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 07:45 PM
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12. Hell yes! That's my president!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 09:31 PM
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16. Good for Obama.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 08:04 AM
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17. scuse me for being dense, but ..
what's up with Ben Nelson (D-Neb) and Ben Nelson (D-PA)?

The second part, about Dawn Johnsen deserves a separate post!
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 03:25 PM
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18. Someone stick a fork in Ben. He's done.
Edited on Sat Apr-25-09 03:27 PM by Phx_Dem
Old Ben seems to think Nebraska rules the entire country. Well it doesn't so step aside and let the majority rule.

I have no problem with a senator looking out for the interests of his state, but to go to any length to block something that the majority supports simply because your state doesn't like it? Yeah, I don't think so.

:fistbump:
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:29 AM
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22. I could see it for something that's really important
For example, being from New Orleans, I would want my Senator to go to all lengths to filibuster a bill that would cut funding for the levees. But 1,000 jobs being moved from Nebraska to DC is not on that list of really important things.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 01:16 AM
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19. I hope Obama uses the same strategy and goes around the health insurance industry
and Obama helps bring single payer health insurance to this country.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 01:45 AM
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20. Ben Nelson, D-PA? HUH??
Try Nebraska, as in the rest of the article.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:36 AM
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21. A majority? Imagine that? We're so used to the "filibuster" that we forget
that a simple majority is all it takes for most bills. Elections have consequences.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:49 AM
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23. I am profoundly happy to hear these stories of the WH unafraid to use the stick.
Between this and telling the GOP to piss off on trying to hold up health care, I'm extremely glad the WH has the spine I hoped it would have when I voted.
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