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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 06:50 PM Original message |
They Are Telling Us They Will Torture Again |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. I mentioned the same sentiment the other day - |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
2. And Obama Is Doing Nothing To Stop Them. |
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HopeOverFear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. It's not Obama's job to stop them. It's Holder's |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. I see. The buck doesn't stop with him. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Don't you know how the law works? |
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HopeOverFear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Obviously not nt |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 12:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Sure. And I know Obama is violating it. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 04:22 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Prosecution requires evidence. |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 05:50 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Not when you have full confessions. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. What full confessions? Who has "confessed", in the legal sense? |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. We are not discussing any "legal sense." |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 08:49 AM Response to Reply #25 |
40. Sounds like you want this thing covered up... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 06:18 AM Response to Reply #25 |
53. He is not immunizing prior to prosecution, he is staying an opinion, |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. I understand that it's just "an opinion"... |
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NYC Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. When Bush interfered with the Justice Department, was that not wrong? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Deleted message |
NYC Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. 4 months in and what did you think would happen in that amount of time? |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 01:56 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. I had no expectations ... for 4 months or even 4 years. |
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HopeOverFear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 08:33 AM Response to Reply #26 |
37. No that is NOT what you're saying |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. Holder is part of the executive branch. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 06:15 AM Response to Reply #21 |
52. True, but the AG is suppose to be independent of the President |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Really!!!! |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Cheney is not "wiping up the floor" as you put it... |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. This is not about likeability, but accountability. |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. I would not underestimate the president... |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 11:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Thank you. I agree. nt |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. This is not an estimate. |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 05:47 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Let me put it this way, for whatever reason, you appear to be disillusioned |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 06:24 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Not at all. To be disillusioned... |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 08:35 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. You are entitled to your opinion... |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. As you are entitled to believe what you like... |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. I find it difficult to understand how the president is in any way... |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #45 |
56. It may be difficult because... |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. The Justice Department has the authority to investigate and |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Trouble is, the treaties require more. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 04:31 AM Response to Reply #15 |
32. Even the W-ites needed a few months to craft their bullshit legal farces. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Neophyte Obama? |
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Born_A_Truman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. In whose eyes? Freerepublic? |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. No, in the eyes of the world. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #16 |
55. huffing glue is bad for you. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. Deleted message |
vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 04:27 AM Response to Reply #13 |
31. I bless them all the time. They're special. n/t |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 06:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
51. Not true - Obama has changed the policy and said the US will not torture |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
54. hookay there buddy... |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
6. Damn good thing they won't have the opportunity in the near future. |
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phoenixriz (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. If American does not investigate and prosecute |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
8. K&R |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
9. I think that you are misreading their reactions |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. "They have no illusions about returning to power. " |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
42. Not Cheney or the older senior officials - they are in pure survival mode |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. I understand that and agree, but |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 02:12 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. All of the other points I agree with |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #9 |
36. Grantcart, I'd just like to say that I really appreciate your posts. Don't always agree, but you alw |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. thank you - your very kind |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
19. As one reporter said nations that tortured eventually tortured their own people.So, the train has to |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-25-09 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
22. Does anyone doubt that in the slightest? |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
39. to frame this as 'policy differences' is ignorant |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-26-09 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
47. This is not a "policy difference"....this is treason.. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-27-09 05:59 AM Response to Original message |
50. I think a different, in some ways worse, interpretation of Hayden's comment |
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