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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:05 PM
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Obama on Abortion - Its a moral and ethical issue
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 08:06 PM by sampsonblk
1. Its a moral issue as well as an ethical one
2. Those who say the only its only about the right of the woman to choose are being disingenuous.
3. In the best case, we will decrease the number of unwanted pregnancies, which will decrease the overall number of abortions.

Good stuff.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:09 PM
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1. I love that man.
.... the religious right wont hear his answer, but at least he said it.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:29 PM
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7. Agreed - nt
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:10 PM
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2. as long as it's linked to a privacy right -- then
obama is being diingenuous when he says that.

how about a woman owning her body as much as a man owns his?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:13 PM
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6. I see it as a choice between a legal safer abortion or a unhygenic back alley one
that's how I see it
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:34 PM
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8. He said that a woman is in the best position to make the decision, not the government
which is why he is pro choice.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:42 PM
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10. that's not how i read this
'Those who say the only its only about the right of the woman to choose are being disingenuous.'

it seems to me he is speaking to people on the 'choice' side of the 'stand off'.

his statements during the elction didn't persuade me he is clear on this -- and i'm not persuaded now.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:59 PM
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13. but he did say..
it was a woman's decision and the government had no business involving itself.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 07:50 AM
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14. FULL TEXT: Obama's answer to the abortion question
Ed Henry?

Question: Thank you, Mr. President. In a couple of weeks, you're going to be giving the commencement at Notre Dame. And, as you know, this has caused a lot of controversy among Catholics who are opposed to your position on abortion.

As a candidate, you vowed that one of the very things you wanted to do was sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which, as you know, would eliminate federal, state and local restrictions on abortion. And at that it was above -- quote, "above my pay grade."

Now that you've been president for 100 days, obviously, your pay grade is a little higher than when you were a senator.

Do you still hope that Congress quickly sends you the Freedom of Choice Act so you can sign it?

Obama: You know, the -- my view on -- on abortion, I think, has been very consistent. I think abortion is a moral issue and an ethical issue.

I think that those who are pro-choice make a mistake when they -- if they suggest -- and I don't want to create straw men here, but I think there are some who suggest that this is simply an issue about women's freedom and that there's no other considerations. I think, look, this is an issue that people have to wrestle with and families and individual women have to wrestle with.

The reason I'm pro-choice is because I don't think women take that -- that position casually. I think that they struggle with these decisions each and every day. And I think they are in a better position to make these decisions ultimately than members of Congress or a president of the United States, in consultation with their families, with their doctors, with their doctors, with their clergy.

So -- so that has been my consistent position. The other thing that I said consistently during the campaign is I would like to reduce the number of unwanted presidencies that result in women feeling compelled to get an abortion, or at least considering getting an abortion, particularly if we can reduce the number of teen pregnancies, which has started to spike up again.

And so I've got a task force within the Domestic Policy Council in the West Wing of the White House that is working with groups both in the pro-choice camp and in the pro-life camp, to see if we can arrive at some consensus on that.

Now, the Freedom of Choice Act is not highest legislative priority. I believe that women should have the right to choose. But I think that the most important thing we can do to tamp down some of the anger surrounding this issue is to focus on those areas that we can agree on. And that's -- that's where I'm going to focus.

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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:46 AM
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17. personally, I've lived through a few unwanted "presidencies" already and was never
Edited on Fri May-01-09 11:46 AM by Iris
compelled to get an abortion b/c of them.


"So -- so that has been my consistent position. The other thing that I said consistently during the campaign is I would like to reduce the number of unwanted presidencies that result in women feeling compelled to get an abortion,"
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 08:29 AM
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15. What he was really saying in the answer he gave is that women are moral agents.
When he talked about women having to "wrestle with" this decision, he was saying that women are not brainless, illogical children. They can and do make up their minds just as men do. This is a correct position IMO and I have been in this fight for choice since the 70s and have worked for Planned Parenthood. For too long, the anti choicers have argued that women don't know their own mind so they need to be "counseled" to knock some sense into them.
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:45 PM
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11. He also said ...
that women take the matter very very seriously which is another reason why they should be allowed to make the decision themselves. At least, that's how I heard him, and I was very pleased indeed. He was showing real respect for women, I thought.
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Ocracoker16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 02:07 PM
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19. I agree that he has respect for women
Pro-life politicians always act like all women who decide to have abortions make the decision in haste. I get very angry when these pro-life individuals claim that all of these women are using abortions as birth control. We are supposed to assume that women who have abortions are irresponsible about protecting themselves from unwanted pregnancies and then when they get pregnant they immediately elect to have an abortion to get rid of the fetus so that they can continue doing whatever they feel like without facing the consequences.

Obama clearly understands that deciding to have an abortion is very difficult for a woman. He mentions how it is not a "casual" decision for women. He knows that women put a lot of effort into making the right decision for them. He recognizes that women are capable of making the choice themselves and don't need the government to dictate what they should do.

I am happy that Sebelius has been confirmed. I don't say that just based on her being pro-choice, but rather because she has a record of protecting the right to choose as governor of Kansas. She does walk the talk.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:58 PM
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12. He said it was up to a woman..
and the government had no business in the decision.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:11 PM
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3. It was an excellent summary of
his thoughts on this!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:11 PM
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4. very good... yet vaguely familiar...
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:41 PM
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18. Very familiar, in fact.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:13 PM
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5. 4. Its not the governments decision to make for anyone
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:38 PM
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9. That's the bottom line.

The rest is just blah blah blah to me.
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Mushroom Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 10:21 AM
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16. Freedom
"2. Those who say the only its only about the right of the woman to choose are being disingenuous."

Yup, without the freedom to exercise choices, what good is the right to choose.;)


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