Kerry just won the election with this speech.

[Guaranteed]

He's on message. He's got it. It's real leadership, and people will follow him.

[Nashyra]

1. i agree

He has outed the Emperor, with facts figures and names.

[cthrumatrix]

69. shrubya is cooked if not for "e-voting"

[Dems Will Win]

91. It's Seabiscuit!, It's War Admiral, War Admiral has'em beat! No, wait!

IT'S SEABISCUIT!

WAR ADMIRAL IS SHOCKED, HE'S FALLEN BACK!

IT'S SEABISCUIT BY SEVERAL LENGTHS!

[Cha]

93. Kerry is Seabiscuit!

I saw the speech later televised on c-span and thought is was grand and passionate..

I get irritated by people who worry that it wasn't said earlier because the timing is Just Right!

[iwantmycountryback]

107. War Admiral

How appropriate. Maybe War Mongerer would work better.

[rfranklin]

2. Uh...what speech?.......where?

Pardon me, my esp is not what it should be.

[BelleCarolinaPeridot]

4. Turn to your local 24 hour news channel QUICK !

Kerry is hitting hard with this speech !

[MockSwede]

79. Smilie

Love the sentiment. Keep Smiling!

[Dems Will Win]

92. If this new attitude of Kerry's doesn't win, I'll eat my Kerry hat!

And then we're all DRAFTED!



Printable pdf: http: http://somnamblst.tripod.com/draftalert.pdf

http://blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf

For more Flyers: http://somnamblst.tripod.com/

[Norton]

6. KERRY IS KICKING ASS RIGHT NOW!!!

CNN MSNBC, others

[sfecap]

3. Wow...he's takin' it to 'em, huh?

This is excellent. Kerry is closing the deal and setting up the debates.

Go JK!!!!!

[CrispyQ]

5. My local Sunday paper's front page article said . . .

...the county clerk has not seen voter registration like this in decades. It's gonna happen.

[Norton]

13. JFK is makin' me tear up!!!

I've been waiting for this and almost thought it wouldn't happen...
Kerry is making me feel proud to be an American again.

[Lex]

18. Me too!

Wow. It was

[annabanana]

48. For the religious among us.............

Here is America's chance to escape the unhappy destiny of empires. With our communication capabilities, we can stop the inevitable train wreck of overweening hubris. Maybe, just maybe, we can begin to achieve in this world what would truly be best for humankind. This is worth praying for.

[NoSunWithoutShadow]

14. I love hearing things like this. Does your paper have a link?

I'm trying to send out positive articles to fellow Dems.

Thanks in advance.

[CrispyQ]

56. Here ya go . . .

http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/election/article/0,1713,BDC_16316_3193803,00.html

Other good stuff, too in the articles to the left under related stories.

[giant_robot]

53. Which state are you in, PNR? n/t

[CrispyQ]

57. Colorado

Generally a red state, but last I looked, neck & neck in this election!

[prouDem]

105. I sure hope so.

[Justitia]

7. I have been waiting MONTHS for this speech - yea!!!!

As a Dean supporter, I can't tell you how thrilled I am to hear this speech today!

Kerry is kicking real, serious, ass up there on this sham of a war and I am absolutely flabbergasted and soooooo pleased to see him come out swinging on the Iraq invasion.

I always knew in my heart, if he just abandoned his rationale for voting to give Shrub authority, and just hit him HARD HARD HARD on his faulty judgment (which is the REAL problem) about Iraq, he would WIN.

I am so happy to hear him do just that! Go Kerry - this is the winning strategy! We've just been waiting to be here for you, here you are, and we're here for you! :bounce:

[cthrumatrix]

90. big kick

[Lord_StarFyre]

8. GODs I hope you're right!!!!!!

...President Kerry is wiping the floor with the Dim Son...

[liberalnurse]

9. America has been craving leadership......

Oh, one may not realize it until they get a taste! Yummy, I want MORE!

[RevCheesehead]

67. Kerry looked truly Presidential.

One of his best speeches - ever.

[molly]

10. Ummmm - wonder what * is doing to calm his nerves

:shrug: get ready for another bike or pretzel accident.

[DoYouEverWonder]

17. More likely another 9-11

but if that doesn't work, then W is going to contest the election results in any place that it's even close.

Do not expect to know who won the election on election night. Team Bush is going to tie this one up in court for as long as they can.

[SammyWinstonJack]

54. Sad to say,

but I believe you are right on there. These thieves aren't gonna go away just because they weren't elected, again!

[DoYouEverWonder]

58. But unlike 2000

this time we are ready to fight back.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT.

[molly]

83. Exactly - we are ready!

[seabeyond]

11. he is good. i cant find a thing he isnt hitting

somuch in this speech. going after the things media and bush has challenged him on ect.......

for anyone to say they dont understand kerrys position on iraq from here on out, or that kerry has gone all over the place with iraq, they are just chosing those words for political position, it is not a truth

[John_H]

12. Most likely voters are doing something other than watching a speech.

We'll have to see how Dem surrogates do tonight as the speech is spun.

[Nashyra]

15. He hit so many points that anything that * says he will do

will sound like * is copying Kerry.

[Nashyra]

16. So of course CNN has a repuke shill on to try and discredit Kerry

[Walt Starr]

19. What did the shill say?

Cuberats need to know!

[Guaranteed]

21. They're doing the exact thing you'd expect:

misrepresenting Kerry's position, saying that he said he would vote to GO TO WAR again but saying that Bush did the wrong thing.

[wakfs]

42. Sorry but...

...this is how Kerry's position on Iraq will be covered by the mainstream media. And there's NOTHING ANYBODY CAN DO TO STOP IT.

Too bad Kerry set himself up for this by not doing this earlier. He never did adequately explain his vote in terms the American voter can understand.

Sorry to be negative about this, but he's now subject to the dreaded "Flip-flopper" label.

[Guaranteed]

43. You're underestimating the effectiveness of repetition.

People are already starting to get it. Sorry to disappoint you.

[wakfs]

51. I marvel at some of the naivete here....

Not trying to raise a ruckus; I'm a big Kerry supporter and I despise Bush as much as any DU'er. But...

But it is extraordinarily naive if you think a single speech will turn Kerry's campaign around. Like it or not, the mainstream media shapes the majority viewpoint in this country, largely because most people are stupid sad to say.

I like his speech but he STILL hasn't clarified in simple terms why he voted for the authorization. This is his Achille's heel in my opinion if only because the media whores keep harping on it. People, VOTERS, believe what they see on TV. If the media whores keep saying "Kerry's a flip-flopper, Kerry's a flip-flopper" then too many voters will believe it. And saying "we need more international support" is fine but how does he intend to do it? Will he wave a magic wand and suddenly get more troops from other countries? Come on, he needs to provide details and a consistent opposition to the war. He has not provided either and continuing to slam Bush's policies without revealing details of his own will not put him over the top.

Sorry, but Kerry has thus far proven to be as awful a national candidate as Al Gore was. It is becoming increasingly difficult for a deep-thinking intellectual type to be elected president in this country. It's too bad but that's the reality we have to deal with.

(Dean would have been a MUCH stronger national candidate, in my opinion but hindsight is always 20-20.)

I hope I'm wrong and this new attack strategy works for Kerry.

[Guaranteed]

55. I am and was a Dean supporter,

and this is as close to Dean as Kerry is going to get.

If he's consistent with his message, he will win.

[oasis]

59. "Hasn't clarified in simple terms why he voted for the authorization"

Some will refuse to come aboard no matter what their understanding.

[Zen Democrat]

98. Don't kid yourself. People of all stripes HATE the media.

With the exception of the Pukes who love Faux.

Remember this, the media shilled for GHW in 1992 and he lost his ass. Candy Crowley gave it everything she had for Dole in 1996. So what??

The media went crazy trying to impeach Clinton in 1998-99 and his approval numbers went up 15 points.

You misguided souls who believe that the average American voter is eating up the crap du jour served up on TV news shows should stop giving these mediawhores so much undeserved credit.

And think about this: Al Gore won the debates in 2000, because he won the popular vote by over half a million. What revisionism is going on that says Bush has ever won ANY debate? Think about it ... Bush winning an speaking competition?? Of course expectations are low. He gives chimps a bad name. He could scratch his ass and eat a banana and make more sense than when he opens his mouth.

[Guaranteed]

100. Wow...

Great post, my friend. VERY well said.

[A Simple Game]

108. Deep-thinking intellectuals can't win?

Who do you think won the last three presidential elections?

And most people are not stupid, they are victims of miss-direction and outright lies by * and a slanted press that finds it easier to repeat his lies than to correct them. Many are now starting to see through the lies.

With Kerry becoming more aggressive and making bolder statements he should start getting more and hopefully better press.

The actions of CBS and ABC lately give hope that the press may be sick of just repeating the crap given to them by the republicans.

[HootieMcBoob]

30. from AEI

I heard her say that Kerry said America would be safer if Saddam Hussein were still in power in Iraq. They are so fucking stupid. I hope to God that Americans are smart enough to see what idiots these people are. Kerry's speech today was excellent! If everybody who intends to cast a vote this election sees this speech there's no way we won't have a President Kerry in the White House on January 20th.

[Guaranteed]

31. That's the second distortion she made. nt

[Cassandra]

45. Completely misrepresented Kerry's positions...

basically ignored what he said in the speech (much of which I missed :-( ) and used the RNC talking points about his vote. Would say that since Kerry "clearly believes" in X (when he doesn't and has never said X ), then he needs to explain himself (based on Repuke interpretations rather than what he's actually said). The anchor didn't challenge anything.

[VolcanoJen]

63. She used the latest attack: "Handwringing."

This seems to be the word of the moment, as I've heard it used by all kinds of Bush apologists since Friday.

"Americans don't want a president who is so pessimistic, and they're not interested in this handwringing over the war."

Watch for it. Shoot it down.

[Kahuna]

84. She repeated GOP spin: kerry said that he would have voted..

to go to war if he knew then what he knows now... blah blah blah. Unfortunately, Kerry gave them this line. They will use it ad naseum. :puke:

[DemBones DemBones]

28. That's okay IF they have a Dem on after Bush* speaks.

Being CNN, they probably won't, though. Their coverage of the DNC was so bad that I quit watching them, have no intention of going back.

[MallRat]

32. You are 150% correct, John.

When news breaks during the workday, all that matters is the spin and coverage that night.

All of the the Democratic pundits and talking heads MUST BE ON THE SAME PAGE TODAY.

SAME TALKING POINTS.
SAME LANGUAGE.

I want to turn to 4 different channels tonight and, just for once, hear THE SAME FUCKING MESSAGE coming from the Kerry camp.

-MR

[Guaranteed]

52. That's right- STAY ON MESSAGE. nt

[Demi_Babe]

20. I agree BUT

he set himself up when he did not elaborate on why he would have still voted to go to war. He left himself open for criticism. I know what he meant...you know what he meant but the dumb asses don't!


GREAT speech otherwise...thew very best thus far!!!

[Lex]

25. He didn't vote "to go to war." n/t

[Demi_Babe]

38. I know that and you know that but many do not

that's why he needed to elaborate IMO

[Guaranteed]

40. What he said was VERY CLEAR.

He just needs to say it OVER AND OVER AND OVER, till they can't distort what he's saying anymore.

[Guaranteed]

41. BTW, another pundit came on right after the AEI whore and mentioned

that Kerry was trying to clarify the difference between the idea of Congress AUTHORIZING the president to go to war, and actually going to war. If he just keeps this up, no one will be able to deny the difference.

[SidDithers]

76. If you know that, why did you say it? nt.

Sid

[bowens43]

64. There was no vote on whether or not to go to war.

Kerry diodn't vote to go to war. No one did.

[heidiho]

22. Fantastic! It's About Time He Took Off the Gloves

and hit Bush with his lies and misjudgments.

Way to go, JK. No question of where you stand anymore.

[the Kelly Gang]

23. watched it in Australia .. Kerry's speech was superb !

throw away your doubts..he IS going to win ! just get out there and do whatever you can and forget the shit they are going to fling next..they know how good this guy is and that's why they are so worried

[Lex]

29. OMG, I hope so!

Glad you watched it there too!

[Cha]

95. It's so exciting that people around the world are

watching the most important election in History.

Heard from someone on another thread who saw Kerry on Letterman, too and thought he did a fantastic job!

Hope you guys get howard OUT! :toast:

[Clinton Crusader]

24. MSRNC said...

he spoke in front of a 'friendly crowd'

:eyes:
:kick:

[Cha]

96. And when does fuckhead speak in front

of a hostile crowd?

[Catfight]

26. now THAT'S what I'm TALKING ABOUT! It's in your darkest hour

that you find the fortitude to stick with what is right, not what is easy and popular. We choose a REAL leader, do not fret, we will prevail, democracy will be restored and Cheney/Bush will be revealed as the thieves of democracy and the truth for what they are. It was said best, they are Robin Hood in Reverse!

Kerry was born a natural leader, Bush was born a natural disaster.

[rndmprsn]

27. 23 different war rationales

"By one count, the president offered 23 different rationales for this war," Kerry said. "If his purpose was to confuse and mislead the American people, he succeeded."

loved this part...throw the numbers right back at them...who's the flopper now?

[Nashyra]

36. If you look at the coverage of the "world polls"

and how the world is needed to win this war on terror and/or Iraq then this speech was more than devastating for the *.,. Funny that just before the speech they had a segment on CNN that explained the poll on how unpopular the * is world wide and how many people can't stand *. Bill Schiender did the segment and he was not warm and fuzzy with *. If the US population start to realized that the only way to win the war on terrorism is with the world united, then the * is toast. Time for a fresh start!!

[cthrumatrix]

81. you got that right... including the media

[seabeyond]

33. and then the media took it and spun it

ass holes

[Guaranteed]

34. Eventually they'll have to admit that he DOES have a plan,

and that he's not flip-flopping. He just needs to stay consistent.

[Bandit]

35. I think his speech was forged. Notice how he acted Presidential

and had a clear understanding of how Bush* has screwed up everything. Everyone knows Kerry is "Unfit for Command" so the speech must be forged. :silly:

[Doosh]

37. I think the campaign shakeup is paying off

we're starting to see results.

[Kahuna]

86. I agree. I hope we're also seeing that Kerry isn't tone deaf..

The will of the voters needs to be addressed. Whether the candidate agrees with the voters or not, they need to at least address our concerns. Is that so wrong? :eyes:

[drdigi420]

39. Talk about a smack down, you go Kerry!

[kohodog]

44. But will the Fascist Media give it legs?

That's the problem folks. They muffle Kerry and reverberate the RW lies. I think we should work to reinstate the fairness doctrine that Reagan disposed of.

We also need start making noise now that Kerry is getting more and more on point.

[ollie3]

47. Great!

Sounds like Kerry is taking off his gloves. No more mr nice guy. Thank god!

[RevCheesehead]

70. Hi, ollie3! Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Dr Fate]

46. The media will ignore it. He should have done somthing outrageous.

Like call Bush a "Liar"- and use that word.

THEN the whores would have talked about it for a week. I have been flippping through the cable news for the last 30 minutes and they have not even mentioned it.

[Guaranteed]

49. Everything'll be fine if he stays on message. nt

[Guaranteed]

50. Wolf covering it now- his "top story." nt

[Dr Fate]

89. I missed it- they are now covering a Bush speech.

...The other networks are now talking about the CBS memos.

[Dr Fate]

87. This speech is getting little or no coverage today.

They are busy covering Emmies or CBS memos.

If Kerry had said the actual word "Liar" instead of "misleading & miscalculated"-we would have been treated to the clip of him saying it coupled with GOP commentary on how "outrageous" it was for him to say it. It would be the TOP story for the next cycle.

THEN the TV talking heads would argue about the definition of "Liar" and whether a President who says things that are not true is one or not.

Instead of "fooling" the media into spreading our talking points, we still insist on making drops in the bucket.

[theboss]

60. It's a good speech, but....

A. It's at noon on a Monday. I just happened to be in my car at the time to hear it. There are probably more people watching the Price is Right right now.

B. It's taken place on a day where CBS basically admits "Yep, the Liberal media lied to destroy President Bush." (Yes, I know that's not the case, but that's the way it looks.

[HootieMcBoob]

65. If he had done it during prime time it wouldn't have made the evening news

and evening cable news talk shows. Now it will be on the news all day long hopefully. It was handled the right way.

[dolstein]

61. I'll believe it when I see (or hear) it

If Kerry hit the ball out of the park with this speech, it will be the first time he has managed to do so during the entire campaign. Color me skeptical.

[Guaranteed]

68. Let me put it this way:

There's nothing more of any significance that he could have done.

[shivaji]

62. Yap....Kerry's poll numbers will skyrocket shortly....

it will take 4-5 days to reflect this since there is a time
lag between an event and by the time poll numbers are
released.

[tokenlib]

66. If the media gives it coverage....If...

The speech was good. But the masses who are spoonfed by the media? What will they hear? Will they understand?

I damn well hope the message gets through--it answers a lot of baseless concerns that people may have about Kerry.

[bringbackfdr]

75. Exactly

Unfortunately, right now Kerry is being stepped on by the goddamned CBS-National Guard documents story. Which one will get more play tonight on the networks? Our intrepid media would actually have to choose substance over soap opera to give Kerry's outstanding speech the play it warrants.

[aeolian]

71. ARRRGH!

I'm at work, and can't see it live. I'll have to wait for tonight's NewsHour.

...are there any early transcripts available?


(Kick his ass, Lieutennant!)

[aeolian]

74. Answered my own question

Text from the speach from the JK website:

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0920.html

*starts reading*

[Gloria]

72. Clark has to be the chief "de-spinner" out there

Biden is another one who can be forceful, Levin, etc.

Keep the loser "spokespeople" off the air and deliver only the big guns, the ones with AUTHORITY...You have to not only blow Bush away, but even before that, blow these creeps at CNN, etc. away first!!!

(and don't let Lieberman near a microphone!)

[AngryOldDem]

73. Thought it was superb

Hit Bush on all his vulnerabilities, and gave the world workable options. One of the best -- if not the best -- speeches Kerry has given.

Let's hope people listen.

[Joe Turner]

77. The Ultimate Bush Flip Flop that should be exploited

As Smirk rejected the good counsel of Colin Powell (among others) by shifting the focus from capturing Osama bin Laden and destroying Al Queda—the very Terrorists that were directly responsible for the horrors of 911--to the objective of regime change in Iraq, a country that NEVER was a treat to America's security we must again note Smirk's incredible change of position from the immediate aftermath of 911 to less than 1 year later (see below).

George W. Bush - Sept. 13, 2001:

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our No. 1 priority, and we will not rest until we find him."

George W. Bush - Concerning Osama bin Laden - March 14, 2002

"I truly am not that concerned about him ."
http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/03/13/Bush.news.conference/

This is yet another Great Under-Reported Story about Smirk and the Ultimate in “Flip Flops” the media has seemed to have forgotten but very much needs to revisit. We need to know if Mr. Bush, still believes finding and capturing Osama bin Laden and his network of Terrorists is the number 1 priority in his administration. Or if the bloody occupation of Iraq is more important than bringing to justice the very murders responsible for 911.

Kerry can whack Smirk with this all the way to the election...and IT WILL get the attention of American Public because most Americans are unaware that Bush said "I truly am not that concerned about Osama bin Laden" only 6 months after 911.

Smirk made other similar comments in this vein to the media in 2002/3 that are even more damning.

It's all out there, ready to be mined, re-reported and put to Smirk.

[RollergirlVT]

78. Great speech.

To counter the pundits that will of course claim that Kerry's plan is unrealistic because GW has been unable to garner support from our allies I give this food for thought: Our allies and other members of the UN have passed a UN resolution to support the efforts in Iraq. As yet they have not honored that commitment. This should speak volumes. It appears to me that although they know it is in the best interest of every nation in the world that the Iraq mission succeeds, they believe that GW Bush in the White House poses a greater threat to world security. It was a message sent to Americans. Remove Bush from office and we will help. To help now could help the Bush administration win back the WH. They cannot take that chance. They will not help before the outcome of this election in known. Just my personal opinion.

[hansolsen]

80. Attack on Bush -- A+. New plan for Iraq - C-

This is progress. Here is how I rate the speech, in two sections:

A. How Shrub screwed up in Iraq -- AAAA++++ -- outstanding, in both content and tone. Beautiful. I especially like the clarification that Kerry would not nave gone to war in Iraq.

B. What Kerry will do differently in Iraq -- C- passable, but uninspiring, and a long way short of a dramatic change in course. This may be the best we can do right now. It may be the prudent way to campaign. Stating anything more bold may be too big a risk. If it works this will be considered brilliant strategy. If it fails, it will be considered a great opportunity missed. I have my own opinions on this but will keep them to myself for today.

Overall a good speech, and should help, I think.

[seabeyond]

82. plan for iraq from his speech

what he finds when he walks in january, who is to know.

he could only talk about what he would do today, not what he would do in january.

today, he would be talking to the world leaders in new york, adn three other things

tomorrow we will have to see what bush creates

[Darth_Kitten]

85. we hope!!!!

Great speech..... :D

[Joe Turner]

88. Kerry hit all the right keys in that speech

If there is one thing I think John Kerry should emphasize above all others it is that Smirk's reckless preemptive takeover of Iraq to reward his neo-con buddies has greatly weakened our ability to fight the REAL TERRORISTS and any new threat that could emerge around the world.

With nearly half our military bogged down in an endless quagmire in Iraq our enemies no doubt are smiling.

[knight_of_the_star]

94. Any link to transcript please

For those of us lacking access to a tv or a comp with sound

[jefferson_dem]

97. LINK to text

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0920.html

[knight_of_the_star]

104. Merci beaucoup mon ami

[gulliver]

99. The best speech I have ever heard.

Bold and brilliant.

[baltodemvet]

101. Um.... which speech was that?

It's nice to see everyone so worked up but what are we buzzing about exactly?

[Guaranteed]

102. Yesterday morning's....

This is a thread from yesterday.

[baltodemvet]

103. Gotcha

Thanks! I'll pay more attention to dates.

[knight_of_the_star]

106. Not just a good speech

But a DAMN good speech! I would like to see Monsieur Little Booties' response to this, if he is capable of saying that many words in such a coherent fashion!