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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:37 AM
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NOW, Kerry- STAY ON MESSAGE.
Edited on Mon Sep-20-04 10:56 AM by BullGooseLoony
Yes, the media will try desperately to spin his points what with the "different positions on Iraq" and the "world would be safer with Saddam still in power" bullshit, but the key here is to KEEP ON POINT. If he does this, he will slam through that barrier, and it won't matter. That's the essence of leadership.

He WILL win this if he just stays on message.

WE could help him an awful lot, too, by writing to the media whores and telling them to CORRECT the bullshit pundits when they distort what he says.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:41 AM
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1. Kick
Ram that message home.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:43 AM
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2. local news anchor did an amazing thing
Walter Jacobsen in Chicago responed to his RW-biased political analyst's repetition of the "flip-flop" meme, saying isn't it our fault in the media for saying Kerry is inconsistent, when in fact if you actually look at his positions they ARE consistent. Shouldn't we be helping the viewer by pointing this out every time this claim is made?

My jaw dropped, it was the first time I'd heard this obvious truth spoken on TV.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:46 AM
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4. Kaboom.
You see?

We're gonna win.

YOU ROCK, by the way. Thanks for that.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:48 AM
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5. If only the cable news channels would do it too.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:49 AM
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6. They will, eventually.
Again, we could help them out by kicking them in the ass.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:44 AM
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3. Great speech!
:kick:
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:49 AM
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7. Go back and chack Kerry's Op Ed Pieces and CFR Speeches
You will see that the plan that he has laid out today at NYU has all been lai out before in these speeches. It is merely the laziness of the media that has allowed BushCo to lay the charge of Flip-Flopper onto Kerry, and to insist that Kerry has had not clear idea or plan.

His second statement about Iraq and Al Qaeda was made in the New York Times on September 6, 2002 (First was in July 2002, but I cant find the article):

We Still Have a Choice on Iraq

Senator John Kerry, D-Mass.
New York Times
September 6, 2002

WASHINGTON -- It may well be that the United States will go to war with Iraq. But if so, it should be because we have to -- not because we want to. For the American people to accept the legitimacy of this conflict and give their consent to it, the Bush administration must first present detailed evidence of the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and then prove that all other avenues of protecting our nation's security interests have been exhausted. Exhaustion of remedies is critical to winning the consent of a civilized people in the decision to go to war. And consent, as we have learned before, is essential to carrying out the mission. President Bush's overdue statement this week that he would consult Congress is a beginning, but the administration's strategy remains adrift.

Regime change in Iraq is a worthy goal. But regime change by itself is not a justification for going to war. Absent a Qaeda connection, overthrowing Saddam Hussein -- the ultimate weapons-inspection enforcement mechanism -- should be the last step, not the first. Those who think that the inspection process is merely a waste of time should be reminded that legitimacy in the conduct of war, among our people and our allies, is not a waste, but an essential foundation of success.

If we are to put American lives at risk in a foreign war, President Bush must be able to say to this nation that we had no choice, that this was the only way we could eliminate a threat we could not afford to tolerate.

In the end there may be no choice. But so far, rather than making the case for the legitimacy of an Iraq war, the administration has complicated its own case and compromised America's credibility by casting about in an unfocused, overly public internal debate in the search for a rationale for war. By beginning its public discourse with talk of invasion and regime change, the administration has diminished its most legitimate justification of war -- that in the post-Sept. 11 world, the unrestrained threat of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Saddam Hussein is unacceptable and that his refusal to allow in inspectors is in blatant violation of the United Nations 1991 cease-fire agreement that left him in power.

http://www.cfr.org/pub5596/john_f_kerry/we_still_have_a_choice_on_iraq.php

His next major statements came in January of 2003:

Mr. President, Do Not Rush To War"

As our government conducts one war and prepares for another, I come here today to make clear that we can do a better job of making our country safer and stronger. We need a new approach to national security - a bold, progressive internationalism that stands in stark contrast to the too often belligerent and myopic unilateralism of the Bush Administration. I offer this new course at a critical moment for the country that we love, and the world in which we live and lead. Thanks to the work and sacrifice of generations who opposed aggression and defended freedom, for others as well as ourselves, America now stands as the world's foremost power. We should be proud: Not since the age of the Romans have one people achieved such preeminence. But we are not Romans; we do not seek an empire. We are Americans, trustees of a vision and a heritage that commit us to the values of democracy and the universal cause of human rights. So while we can be proud, we must be purposeful and mindful of our principles: And we must be patient - aware that there is no such thing as the end of history. With great power, comes grave responsibility...

First, destroying al Qaeda and other anti-American terror groups must remain our top priority. While the Administration has largely prosecuted this war with vigor, it also has made costly mistakes. The biggest, in my view, was their reluctance to translate their robust rhetoric into American military engagement in Afghanistan. They relied too much on local warlords to carry the fight against our enemies and this permitted many al Qaeda members, and according to evidence, including Osama bin Laden himself, to slip through our fingers. Now the Administration must redouble its efforts to track them down. And we need to pressure Pakistan to get control of its territories along the Afghanistan border, which have become a haven for terrorists.

Second, without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. He miscalculated an eight-year war with Iran. He miscalculated the invasion of Kuwait. He miscalculated America's response to that act of naked aggression. He miscalculated the result of setting oil rigs on fire. He miscalculated the impact of sending scuds into Israel and trying to assassinate an American President. He miscalculated his own military strength. He miscalculated the Arab world's response to his misconduct. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm.

So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War. Regrettably the current Administration failed to take the opportunity to bring this issue to the United Nations two years ago or immediately after September 11th, when we had such unity of spirit with our allies. When it finally did speak, it was with hasty war talk instead of a coherent call for Iraqi disarmament. And that made it possible for other Arab regimes to shift their focus to the perils of war for themselves rather than keeping the focus on the perils posed by Saddam's deadly arsenal. Indeed, for a time, the Administration's unilateralism, in effect, elevated Saddam in the eyes of his neighbors to a level he never would have achieved on his own, undermining America's standing with most of the coalition partners which had joined us in repelling the invasion of Kuwait a decade ago.

http://www.truthout.com/docs_02/012503A.kerry.no.rush.htm


Over two years ago, Kerry was laying out his ideas on Iraq, and his strategy for dealing with Iraq it he were president. Consistancy is not a problem. The fat that the media is just to lazy to put George Bush's claimes about Kerry's lack if vision regarding to Iraq, and his consistancy to the test by researching and readin what Kerry has actually said.

Both of these statements were made by Senator Kerry before war was engaged in. It is remarkable how right Kerry was in predicting what would happen in Iraq if Bush kept to the same course, regarding American Standing and beleivability around the world, about the insurgencts and attacks against American troops that were likely to occur if Bush followed through without U.N. Assistance. Kerry predicted the mess we would be in with Bush leading this war, before it even began.

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:54 AM
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8. Lemme change the thread title.
I think you got the wrong idea.
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Bush was AWOL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:59 AM
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9. They seem to be really pounding the word incompetence
which is accurate and true. I noticed Carville doing this repeatedly a few weeks ago, and I think the Kerry campaign has picked this up as their official slogan when describing this administration. Biden said the same thing over and over yesterday.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 11:02 AM
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10. Wolf now covering it, THEY MENTIONED HIS 4-POINT PLAN
and they're repeating the things he said.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 11:03 AM
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11. Our friends at Fox cut immediately to the CBS memo story
I saw it at the barber shop.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 11:04 AM
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12. Don't worry about them.
Their viewers are voting for Bush, obviously.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 11:05 AM
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14. Repeating on C-SPAN - NOW 11:05 central
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 11:05 AM
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13. 23 excuses.
Twenty-three.


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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 11:12 AM
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15. Kerry should challenge Bush to review his own
words to the UN and his cause for war statement to Congress and then review Kerry's speech to the Senate before his vote, and let the American people decide who has flip flopped.

This is essentially what Kerry did today in his speech, but he should say it more pointedly, using the words challenge and flip-flop.

I have been hollaring for Kerry to do this for the last few weeks. Maybe someone is really paying attention to DU.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 03:05 AM
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16. Kick nt
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