Olbermann talking about possibility that CBS was setup by the Repukes

[Killarney]

right now

[dogtag]

1. Barbara O'Brien of Mahablog was great!

Too bad she didn't have more air time.

[Killarney]

2. guy from cbs says

most likely it was a lone activist and cbs just failed to investigate properly.

[lazarus]

7. That guy

is a loser, I wish Keith would drop him. Craig Crawford has that disease where he just can't call a liar a liar, or call bullshit bullshit.

[redstateblues]

27. Craig Crawford- What a smarmy useless talking head

Tell me one time he has brought in someting other than the convential "wisdom"

[Darth_Kitten]

3. where???

sorry, don't know who Olbermann is! :D

[Killarney]

6. MSNBC

[Darth_Kitten]

9. thanks!

:D

[mmonk]

4. Go Keith go!

[Killarney]

5. because Dan Barlett said WH will not dispute documents

that's what causes conspiracy theory that republicans planted it

[NV1962]

8. Wouldn't it be great if

another entity picks up the story and exposes the "Buckhead" connection with Rove?

And make CBS look extra foolish for not ID-ing the perps?

[SayitAintSo]

25. Oh god ... you just stated my sweet dream!

surely there are SOME investigative journalists left out there ?

[BeatleBoot]

10. Nothing in Politics Happens By Accident

Either Franklin or Teddy said that - I can't recall right now.

[Francine Frensky]

11. First ? should be: How did they recognize the forgery so QUICKLY?

The forgery story started to circulate only hours after CBS aired the program.

That's only possible if they either knew IN ADVANCE that it was forgery (they were involved in a setup) or if they have the originals and haven't released them.

Either way, they're guilty.

Or maybe it was that blind squirrel catching a nut every once in a while....

[CornField]

17. I've been trying to figure it out, but it makes no sense (m)

The first post from Harry Buckhead came just a few seconds shy of 9 p.m. PDT. Now, we know he lives outside of Atlanta, which would be EDT (3 hours difference, making it 6 p.m. when he made the post - right?)

60 Minutes doesn't air there until 8 p.m. ET/PT (according to the CBS News web site)... so, am I seeing what I think I'm seeing here? That Harry Buckhead was actually debunking the memos 2 hours prior to the start of the 60 Minutes?

[DieboldMustDie]

21. No, 9 p.m. PDT is midnight EDT.

:shrug:

[David Zephyr]

23. That, Cornfield, Is the Most Suspicious Part of the Entire Episode.

Buckhead's informed response about antique typewriters which is out of his league (according to the LA Times) was just a little bit too quick and too knowledgable.

Buckhead's freep post does not pass any smell test.

[brentspeak]

26. That's how we know this was a setup

And how could a forger know the confidential details about what was being said in Killian's office, about the principals involved? Only someone who had access to the original source material. And we know that the Bush people have spent years collecting and collating any and all incriminating documents concerning him.

[David Zephyr]

38. Yep.

:thumbsup:

[blurp]

34. The WH didn't know they were forgeries because they're JUST TOO STUPID

It's fun to think that maybe the White House knew the docs were forged, but really, do you think they have the collective intelligence to discover that?

These docs fooled CBS. Someone claiming they had a 1972 cell phone log would have fooled this White House.

You give the WH too much credit.

[JHB]

36. It's not THAT implausible...

Can't you imagine typing away, sour-graping over the 60 Minutes broadcast, saying "I bet they're faked", and the minute someone comes up with something halfway plausible one of them sends Drudge a message?

It's the lack of denial from the WH that makes me suspect a plant. Normally they would have denounced something like that all day and night, but *poof* suddenly it's not about Bush, it's about CBS and Rather.

[Killarney]

12. also, from Keith's blog he says

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5660340/
Within four hours of CBS broadcasting the dubious paperwork, this man (Buckhead) was, to use the parlance of Radioactive Man, "Up and At Them!" A complete mechanical and historical breakdown of the history of the font type, the IBM Selectric typewriter, the capacity of Microsoft Windows to produce such documents, and a call to arms for all other bloggers rightly suspicious of the Killian Memos.

At about the same time, Democratic chairman Terry McAuliffe speculated on the same possibility, and even fingered Karl Rove, who has in the past been suspected of tapping his own candidate's phone, and dropping off his own candidate's debate practice tape, to make himself and his team look like injured parties.

[kskiska]

29. Rove tapped his OWN phone

and called investigators. Problem was, the batteries in the bug were only good for so long, so the time frame involved pointed to Rove himself as the perp. Too late for the opposing candidate, though. He lost.

[redstateblues]

31. It's All Probably True- How You Gonna Prove It?

These MFs are pros at this shit and just like the lawyer in our town that committed the perfect murder, Rove and Co. plan this stuff meticulously and cover their tracks and leave no fingerprints. They are criminals.

[cal04]

13. It looks like something like this has been done before

I've never heard about this

If Burkett is suspect, though, so is Karl Rove. Every campaign he runs seems to have well-timed distractions. In 2000, just before his inarticulate client was to debate Al Gore, a tape of Mr. Bush’s training ended up in the Gore campaign’s mailbox. Reporters wrote about this discovery and overwhelmed issues and debate coverage with the unraveling mystery.

An employee of Mark McKinnon, Bush’s media expert, was later implicated in the scandal but nobody ever proved Rove wasn’t pulling strings. Of course, it was strictly coincidental when Rove’s office was found bugged in 1986, the day of a critical debate between another one of his inarticulate candidates and an incumbent governor. That mystery overwhelmed debate coverage and implicated the democratic opponent. I remember standing with other reporters outside of Rove’s building after his news conference to announce the revelation he was bugged. We all laughed about how amateurish it all appeared.

[Killarney]

15. Holy shit, I forgot about the TAPE from 2000!

Rove is lower than slime.

[John_H]

14. Olberman for Brains of the Outfit. My theory is that he's watched

an odd combination of NFL coaches, politicians, and mediawhores which enables him to understand what many in our party apparently don't.

1)The only way to win a blood sport is to play for blood with absolute ruthlessness.

2)Politics is a blood sport.

[seabeyond]

16. ya, he has been on this rove angle. he doesnt trust him

yup

[Jane Austin]

22. Olberman is the one who let Richard Clarke know on air

that he had received three faxes from the White House with questions he should ask Clarke.

I imagine he wasn't too crazy about that.


(edited for malaprop)

[liveoaktx]

32. Not Clarke-Joseph Wilson

Joseph Wilson-Talking points

I still remember how shocked I was to see actual evidence the White House tried to influence the *news*

[Jane Austin]

35. Oh, you're right!

At first I couldn't remember at all, then I thought I remembered it's being Clarke.

But I think you are right, and it was Wilson.

Thanks for the correction.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

18. Olberman knows crap when he sees it and this thing stinks badly.

The question at hand is: "Why did Dan Bartlett (WH Spokespupet) not condemn the documents as fakes?"

[July]

37. He's one of the few whose bullshit detector isn't broken. nt

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

19. MacDougald (aka "Buckhead") made previous posts about bogus memos

I counted four posts made by Buckhead at Free Republic discussing bogus documents in the days before the CBS story broke about the Col. Killian memos. In this case, however, he was claiming that the French had created bogus documents regarding the Iraq-Niger connection and uranium, all to have them become apparently bogus to others in order to discredit the Iraq-Niger uranium connection and to "poison the well" (the same tactic some are saying was used by Karl Rove).

JUST ANOTHER STRANGE COINCIDENCE????? Here are Buckhead's 4 posts:

"...Italy Blames France For Niger Uranium Claim
Posted by Buckhead to marron
On News/Activism 09/04/2004 8:06:28 PM PDT · 23 of 37
My read is that France created the bogus documents to conceal real uranium transactions with Iraq. Iraq needed black market uranium because its existing stockpiles were controlled and could not be used without the IAEA and the inspectors and so on finding out. If you recall, the State Department argued that no such uranium sales were possible because the French were in control of uranium in Niger. Yeah, the French would never do anything contemptuous for money..."

And another previous post:

"...CIA Leak Probe: Powell's Grand-Jury Appearance (PLAME/WILSON PROBE)
Posted by Buckhead to Shermy; cyncooper
On News/Activism 08/02/2004 3:41:12 PM PDT · 46 of 54
Here's my attempt to win the game show:
The French, who controlled Niger's uranium production, cut a side deal with Saddam and Niger to sell additional uranium under the table. They had off the books production that could be shipped without the books looking wrong. The French did this because this kind of treachery and corruption is so classically French, and because they were being bribed via Oil for Food, also classically French. As British Intelligence picked up on this transaction and reported it to the US, the French got wind of it and concocted the forged documents to discredit the accurate reporting, while assuring the US they would never sell uranium to the Iraqis. The French disinformation campaign exploited and was exploited by the anti-Bush faction at the CIA.
Fire at will..."

And another previous post:

"...Plame's Input Is Cited on Niger Mission (Joe Wilson lied about EVERYTHING)
Posted by Buckhead to Shermy
On News/Activism 07/10/2004 5:46:24 AM PDT · 50 of 451
An excerpt:
The report also said Wilson provided misleading information to The Washington Post last June. He said then that he concluded the Niger intelligence was based on documents that had clearly been forged because "the dates were wrong and the names were wrong."..."

And another previous post in July about "forged documents" to "poison the well":

"...Plame's Input Is Cited on Niger Mission (Joe Wilson lied about EVERYTHING)
Posted by Buckhead to piasa; Shermy; cyncooper
On News/Activism 07/10/2004 10:14:28 PM PDT · 292 of 451
Some speculations:
1. It is possible that the Senate Committee conclusions are strongly influenced/manipulated by the anti Bush faction in the CIA. It doesn't even jibe with David Kay's interim report, from what I've seen on FR.
2. The French released the forged documents to (a) poison the well and taint by association the wmd intelligence just out of plain old French cussedness, and/or (b) to cover their own tracks in selling the stuff, and God knows what else to the Iraqis..."

[grasswire]

20. the fact that....

...GOP activist/lawyer Harry MacDougland first challenged the documents and Liz MacDougland was one of two who passed MacDougland's comments to the GOP lawyer who passed it to Drudge is not unimportant.

1. Harry MacDougland (Scaife operative/lawyer)

2. Liz MacDougland and bitter swiftie Tim Mortensen

3. Powerline (run by three GOP lawyers)

4. Drudge

5. MSM

[AlCzervik]

24. i saw that segemnt, it was interesting and a great guest

Look at how Bush will benefit from this:
1. Takes the attention away from his lack of service
2. Nail that so-called liberal Media. especially Dan cause 41 sure didn't like him
3, there will be a segement of the population that will now ironically view Bush as a victim.

[bloom]

28. Wolf and others on CNN were spinning it to say the memos were false

:grr:

[AlCzervik]

30. I love Countdown but thats all i can take of cable

and i've almost given up on PBS.

[DeepModem Mom]

33. kick