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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:03 AM
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Im giving up
Edited on Tue Sep-21-04 11:03 AM by Mobius
Im casting my vote for Kerry, and not even looking at the tv anymore. It literally makes me sick. Kerry needs to get some balls, and make better ads. If he doesnt look forward to 4 more bush years.
eom
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nyhuskyfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:04 AM
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1. Ummmm
Have you been paying any attention lately? Kerry has been hammering Bush ad infinitum.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:06 AM
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3. Ditto
Kerry's been great!
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:14 AM
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8. Yes, but
don't try to watch or listen to the media for it.

I understand fully where Mobius is coming from. At least once a week I tell myself, well I'm voting for Kerry, hubby is voting for Kerry, son is voting for Kerry...beyond that it's out of my hands. *sigh* Then I get all geared up again.

Part of the problem is day after day, hour after hour, Bush's mug is on the TV with sound bytes and fawning "journalists" incessantly communicating what the WH says. The descriptions of Kerry's words and actions are always negative and always "Kerry attacks Bush". They are complicit with creating the perception Bush wants.

Cheer up, Mobius. Turn off the TV or put it on a movie, soap opera, or comedy channel. Even cartoons will bring some relief. Show your support in whatever ways you feel comfortable with (ie yard signs, bumper stickers, donating money or time, LTTE) and cast your vote on Nov 2. :)
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nyhuskyfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:49 AM
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14. That's a fair point...
But he shouldn't act like Kerry needs to grow a set of cojones. Kerry is certainly on the attack and not pulling any punches. The media makes it an uphill battle, but we're still battling.
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:05 AM
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2. dont be a wimp, wimps support bush
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:07 AM
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4. Give up on TV anyway
and vote for Kerry, anyway! :D
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:08 AM
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5. And with that attitude, you're gonna help make it happen!!!
Thanks for nothing...
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 11:01 AM
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18. nothing!!!
Edited on Wed Sep-22-04 11:02 AM by Mobius
I spent months working for Wes Clark. I converted I dont know how many repukes over to our side. "Nothing" is hammering a fellow dem, whose vote you already have. And yeah, Kerry's ads need to get more snippy, like a big red stamp coming over cheney and bushs faces that says coward, then liar, then war profiteer, stuff like that. Not the DNC ads, or move on ads...the KERRY ADS.
Also, you can take your attitude and shove it up your ignorant ass. :hi:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:10 AM
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6. pzzzzzzzcheeeeezzzzzzz
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:12 AM
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7. Giving up on what?
Edited on Tue Sep-21-04 11:20 AM by chiburb
It's cool that you're voting for Kerry and all, but your thread header confuses me. Were you waiting for Clark to replace Kerry on the ballot?

I'm so confused...
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:16 AM
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9. Get a hold of yourself!
We all need each other too much right now for this to be ok. There isn't anything wrong with having doubts, but there's NO point in wallowing in demoralizing absolutes.

I personally think the right must QUAKE, even in the midst of circus politics, worrying that people will actually grasp what's happening around them.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:16 AM
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10. kerry balls are just fine. then again, i have been listening to him
and i agree with you. no news anymore. cant watch, they are disgusting,. gonna put a kerry button on and talk to everyone interested. and vote

and thurs i am going to a democratic bbq. i get to see who the dems are in town. so excited
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The empressof all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:27 AM
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11. It's important to know ones enemy
Although TV news of all sorts generally enrages me, I do think it's important as a supporter of Kerry it be prepared to squash the crazy things other people learn from these dim-wits.

The amount of misinformation out there is amazing. Just this morning I woke up to some local talk show idiot host telling folks that Bush volunteered for Vietnam.

To some extent I feel an obligation to stand and say no. I letter the sponsors. I e-mail the hosts when they are wrong and I turn the media off before it sends me over the deep end. I also point out the lies as much as I can without getting too obnoxious to all I know.

It's the least I can do.
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:28 AM
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12. Two good decisions in the first sentence.
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 11:35 AM
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13. Put Away Your Hankies...
a message from Michael Moore

9/20/04

Dear Friends,

Enough of the handwringing! Enough of the doomsaying! Do I have to come there and personally calm you down? Stop with all the defeatism, OK? Bush IS a goner -- IF we all just quit our whining and bellyaching and stop shaking like a bunch of nervous ninnies. Geez, this is embarrassing! The Republicans are laughing at us. Do you ever see them cry, "Oh, it's all over! We are finished! Bush can't win! Waaaaaa!"

Hell no. It's never over for them until the last ballot is shredded. They are never finished -- they just keeping moving forward like sharks that never sleep, always pushing, pulling, kicking, blocking, lying.

They are relentless and that is why we secretly admire them -- they just simply never, ever give up. Only 30% of the country calls itself "Republican," yet the Republicans own it all -- the White House, both houses of Congress, the Supreme Court and the majority of the governorships. How do you think they've been able to pull that off considering they are a minority? It's because they eat you and me and every other liberal for breakfast and then spend the rest of the day wreaking havoc on the planet.

Look at us -- what a bunch of crybabies. Bush gets a bounce after his convention and you would have thought the Germans had run through Poland again. The Bushies are coming, the Bushies are coming! Yes, they caught Kerry asleep on the Swift Boat thing. Yes, they found the frequency in Dan Rather and ran with it. Suddenly it's like, "THE END IS NEAR! THE SKY IS FALLING!"

No, it is not. If I hear one more person tell me how lousy a candidate Kerry is and how he can't win... Dammit, of COURSE he's a lousy candidate -- he's a Democrat, for heavens sake! That party is so pathetic, they even lose the elections they win! What were you expecting, Bruce Springsteen heading up the ticket? Bruce would make a helluva president, but guys like him don't run -- and neither do you or I. People like Kerry run.

Yes, OF COURSE any of us would have run a better, smarter, kick-ass campaign. Of course we would have smacked each and every one of those phony swifty boaty bastards down. But WE are not running for president -- Kerry is. So quit complaining and work with what we have. Oprah just gave 300 women a... Pontiac! Did you see any of them frowning and moaning and screaming, "Oh God, NOT a friggin' Pontiac!" Of course not, they were happy. The Pontiacs all had four wheels, an engine and a gas pedal. You want more than that, well, I can't help you. I had a Pontiac once and it lasted a good year. And it was a VERY good year.

My friends, it is time for a reality check.

1. The polls are wrong. They are all over the map like diarrhea. On Friday, one poll had Bush 13 points ahead -- and another poll had them both tied. There are three reasons why the polls are b.s.: One, they are polling "likely voters." "Likely" means those who have consistently voted in the past few elections. So that cuts out young people who are voting for the first time and a ton of non-voters who are definitely going to vote in THIS election. Second, they are not polling people who use their cell phone as their primary phone. Again, that means they are not talking to young people. Finally, most of the polls are weighted with too many Republicans, as pollster John Zogby revealed last week. You are being snookered if you believe any of these polls.

2. Kerry has brought in the Clinton A-team. Instead of shunning Clinton (as Gore did), Kerry has decided to not make that mistake.

3. Traveling around the country, as I've been doing, I gotta tell ya, there is a hell of a lot of unrest out there. Much of it is not being captured by the mainstream press. But it is simmering and it is real. Do not let those well-produced Bush rallies of angry white people scare you. Turn off the TV! (Except Jon Stewart and Bill Moyers -- everything else is just a sugar-coated lie).

4. Conventional wisdom says if the election is decided on "9/11" (the fear of terrorism), Bush wins. But if it is decided on the job we are doing in Iraq, then Bush loses. And folks, that "job," you might have noticed, has descended into the third level of a hell we used to call Vietnam. There is no way out. It is a full-blown mess of a quagmire and the body bags will sadly only mount higher. Regardless of what Kerry meant by his original war vote, he ain't the one who sent those kids to their deaths -- and Mr. and Mrs. Middle America knows it. Had Bush bothered to show up when he was in the "service" he might have somewhat of a clue as to how to recognize an immoral war that cannot be "won." All he has delivered to Iraq was that plasticized turkey last Thanksgiving. It is this failure of monumental proportions that is going to cook his goose come this November.

So, do not despair. All is not over. Far from it. The Bush people need you to believe that it is over. They need you to slump back into your easy chair and feel that sick pain in your gut as you contemplate another four years of George W. Bush. They need you to wish we had a candidate who didn't windsurf and who was just as smart as we were when WE knew Bush was lying about WMD and Saddam planning 9/11. It's like Karl Rove is hypnotizing you -- "Kerry voted for the war...Kerry voted for the war...Kerrrrrryyy vooootted fooooor theeee warrrrrrrrrr..."

Yes...Yes...Yesssss...He did! HE DID! No sense in fighting now...what I need is sleep...sleeep...sleeeeeeppppp...

WAKE UP! The majority are with us! More than half of all Americans are pro-choice, want stronger environmental laws, are appalled that assault weapons are back on the street -- and 54% now believe the war is wrong. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CONVINCE THEM OF ANY OF THIS -- YOU JUST HAVE TO GIVE THEM A RAY OF HOPE AND A RIDE TO THE POLLS. CAN YOU DO THAT? WILL YOU DO THAT?

Just for me, please? Buck up. The country is almost back in our hands. Not another negative word until Nov. 3rd! Then you can bitch all you want about how you wish Kerry was still that long-haired kid who once had the courage to stand up for something. Personally, I think that kid is still inside him. Instead of the wailing and gnashing of your teeth, why not hold out a hand to him and help the inner soldier/protester come out and defeat the forces of evil we now so desperately face. Do we have any other choice?

Yours,

Michael Moore
www.michaelmoore.com
mmflint@aol.com
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 11:12 AM
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22. actually, thinking people
realize that to convert the dumb bushites we need to act like them. By using stupid attack ads for people with short attention spans. The dems are already convinced. Why preach to the choir? Its a waste of money. Quite frankly, Im shocked, DU let your assinine little flame attempt stand as long as it did , mr 124 post wonder.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 12:02 PM
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16. Bravo, bravo
eom
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 11:08 AM
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21. thanks Michael, I needed that
:)
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 12:05 PM
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17. The MEDIA is our
biggest enemy!............Nothing Kerry or Edwards say or do is good enough for these corrupt WH whores..............They slice and dice every little bit of data that Kerry and Edwards say and turn it around to try and make our guys look like total incompetent idiots.

You notice.they never do this to bush and cheney.they know better......I also think that never again will we see the media do a "bad" news story about bush or cheney....the truth will remain hidden because the media is actually afraid of telling the truth and are under the thumb of the WH.............At least Dan Rather tried to put the truth out there

Maybe in years to come all these stories can be covered......and the truth reveled....but that does us no good now.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 11:05 AM
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19. He is now off the boat and chasing the enemy.
FINALLY, kerry takes the fight to the pukes.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 11:06 AM
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20. Whoa--Did you see Kerry's speech in New York on Monday?
If not, you should go to www.cspan.org and watch it.

It's on cspan's front page and is entitled:

Sen. John Kerry (D-MA)
Iraq & Foreign Policy
Address (09/20/2004)



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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 11:14 AM
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23. see? he reads DU
and knows he better get nastier if he wants to win and save the world.
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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 11:14 AM
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24. Kerry is doing great! n/t
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