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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 12:44 PM
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Email spam - I just got a load of it re: Bush invading Iraq
I am not usually on these lists where someone replies all to every single person in his or her address book, and, if I have been, usually ask the person to take me off the list. But this one was SO absurd that I had to reply to it.
***This was the email
This is so powerful. Please pass this along and hopefully it'll make some understand why our Troops are in Iraq. It's about security and humanity. Oh for those that are whining and complaining, thank a soldier for your "freedom" so you can whine and complain. Also, while you whine and complain, it hurts our troops abroad, not just our troops, but also any Prisoners of War or Missing in Action. Let's not do what John Kerry did!. Do the whiners and complainers not think what might be happening to those that are captured and tortured? Let's not let our Soldiers be spit upon when they come home like in the past. Warning, if I see ANYONE spitting on an American Soldier, I will spit upon that person twice fold!!!!!! Our troops are risking their lives for our Freedom! DON'T FORGET THAT!!!!!
Oh, may God help us all!
Pamela White
=========================================

A Military Story -- Don't Close Your Blinds The other day, my nine year old son wanted to know why we were at war. My husband looked at our son and then looked at me. My husband and I were in the Army during the Gulf War and we would be honored to serve and defend our Country again today. I knew that my husband would give him a good explanation. My husband thought for a few minutes and then told my son to go stand in our front living room window. He said "Son, stand there and tell me what you see?"
"I see trees and cars and our neighbor's houses." he replied.
"OK, now I want you to pretend that our house and our yard is the United States of America and you are President Bush."
Our son giggled and said "OK."
"Now son, I want you to look out the window and pretend that every house and yard on this block is a different country" my husband said.
"OK Dad, I'm pretending."
"Now I want you to stand there and look out the window and pretend you see Saddam come out of his house with his wife, he has her by the hair and is hitting her. You see her bleeding and crying. He hits her in the face, he throws her on the ground, then he starts to kick her to death. Their children run out and are afraid to stop him, they are screaming and crying, they are watching this but do nothing because they are kids and they are afraid of their father. You see all of this son.... what do you do?"
"Dad?"
"What do you do son?"
"I'd call the police, Dad."
"OK. Pretend that the police are the United Nations and they take your call, listen to what you know and saw but they refuse to help. What do you do t! hen son?"
"Dad.......... but the police are supposed to help!" My son starts to whine.
"They don't want to son, because they say that it is not their place or your place to get involved and that you should stay out of it," my husband says
"But Dad...he killed her!!" my son exclaims.
"I know he did...but the police tell you to stay out of it. Now I want you to look out that window and pretend you see our neighbor who you're pretending is Saddam turn around and do the same thing to his children."
"Daddy...he kills them?"
"Yes son, he does. What do you do?"
"Well, if the police don't want to help, I will go and ask my next door neighbor to help me stop him." our son says.
"Son, our next door neighbor sees what is happening and refuses to get involved as well. He refuses to open the door and help you stop him," my husband says.
"But Dad, I NEED help!!! I can't stop him by myself!!"
"WHAT DO YOU DO SON?" Our son starts to cry.
"OK, no one wants to help you, the man across the street saw you ask for help and saw that no one would help you stop him. He stands taller and puffs out his chest. Guess what he does next son?"
"What Daddy?"
"He walks across the street to the old ladies house and breaks down her door and drags her out, steals all her stuff and sets her house on fire and then...he kills her. He turns around and sees you standing in he window and laughs at you. WHAT DO YOU DO?"
"Daddy..."
"WHAT DO YOU DO?"
Our son is crying and he looks down and he whispers, "I'd close the blinds, Daddy."
My husband looks at our son with tears in his eyes and asks him..."Why?"
"Because Daddy.....the police are supposed to help people who needs them...and they won't help.... You always say that neighbors are supposed to HELP neighbors, but they won't help either...they won't help me stop him...I'm afraid....I can't do it by myself Daddy.....I can't look out my window and just watch him do all these terrible things and...and.....do nothing...so....I'm just going to close the blinds.... so I can't see what he's doing........and I'm going to pretend that it is not happening."
I start to cry.
My husband looks at our nine year old son standing in the window, looking pitiful and ashamed at his answers to my husbands questions and he says..."Son"
"Yes, Daddy."
"Open the blinds because that man.... he's at your front door..."WHAT DO YOU DO?"
My son looks at his father, anger and defiance in his eyes. He balls up his tiny fists and looks his father square in the eyes, without hesitation he says: "I DEFEND MY FAMILY DAD!! I'M NOT GONNA LET HIM HURT MOMMY OR MY SISTER, DAD!!! I'M GONNA FIGHT HIM, DAD, I'M GONNA FIGHT HIM!!!!!"
I see a tear roll down my husband's cheek and he grabs our son to his chest and hugs him tight, and says... "It's too late to fight him, he's too strong and he's already at YOUR front door son.....you should have stopped him BEFORE he killed his wife, and his children and the old lady across the way. You have to do what's right, even if you have to do it alone, before it's too late." my husband whispers.
THAT scenario I just gave you is WHY we are at war with Iraq. When good men stand by and let evil happen son, THAT is the greatest EVIL of all. Our President is doing what is right. We, as a free nation, must understand that this war is a war of humanity. WE must remove evil men from power so that we can continue to live in a free world where we are not afraid to look out our window so that my nine year old son won't grow up in a world where he feels that if he just "closes" that blinds the atrocities in the world won't affect him. "YOU MUST NEVER BE AFRAID TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT! EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO DO IT ALONE!" BE PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN! BE PROUD OF OUR TROOPS!! SUPPORT THEM!!! SUPPORT AMERICA!! SO THAT IN THE FUTURE OUR CHILDREN WILL NEVER HAVE TO CLOSE THEIR BLINDS..."

This should be printed in every newspaper and posted in every school in America. Of course that won't happen so we'll use the internet.
If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading in English, thank a soldier.

QUESTION: WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO PROTECT THE FREEDOM YOU ARE ENJOYING?
*****
This was my reply
Reply from someone who does not agree with us being in Iraq. Bush has already said on multiple occasions that Iraq had nothing to do with 911,( http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/Bushversus911commission.wmv ) as has the 911 Commission.

The problem with the analogy below is that the actual circumstances were presented to us initially as a direct threat *to us* due to weapons of mass destruction. We did not go to Iraq because of what Saddam was or wasn't doing to his own countrymen. In fact, if we were going to go around the world looking for despots who treat their own countrymen horribly, we have more than enough to choose from.. but we haven't invaded, for example, Sudan, where people are being butchered daily. If we were going to invade and strike other countries due to their potential threats of nuclear attack, North Korea, who did directly threaten us, would have been a more logical target... but we didn't.

So the analogy changed.

The man in the neighborhood is a bully in his own house. We know of several neighbors living around us whom we don't like, but we do not interfere in their business. We do not go over to knock on their door and attack them.
But one day, we hear that that man in the neighborhood is planning to come over and attack us. It's a rumour. We don't have proof that he's actually going to attack us, and the neighborhood association says to him, we need to check out your house and see if you're really planning to shoot us up. Before the neighborhood association has time and opportunity to fully inspect his house, we tell the neighborhood, never mind, we're going to attack that neighbor anyway, before the inspections can finish. The neighborhood association tells us, we can't go along with you doing this, it may be that the neighbor is not planning to attack you, we need to be sure. We say, no, we're going to attack him anyway just in case he might be going to attack us. The man does NOT come to our door threatening us, we just hear rumours.
We go off and bomb his house. The neighborhood association is not with us doing it. Then we find out that we were wrong and he wasn't planning to come attack us.Should we then say, well, it was okay that we bombed his house, because, after all, we didn't like him anyway and we think he was bad to his family?

It's a flip flop to change reasons. The American public has not been in the business of pre-emptively attacking other countries who do not directly threaten us, particularly at our borders. Iraq did not threaten us and had nothing to do with 911. Suppose Bush had said, we are going to attack Iraq because of the way he treats his people-would the public have gone along with an attack if they hadn't believed that Iraq was going to attack us? Within 45 minutes? I don't think so. The war has been extremely costly, as of today 1035 US soldiers have died.

I am a tough, red-blooded, patriotic American who wants to see us secure our own shores, spend money on our own country and not leave huge deficits for our children, stop gutting medicare and social security, and treat people responsibly and compassionately. That's why I am voting for Kerry, who actually served and understands what war is, versus Bush, who was AWOL and yet managed, through privilege, to get an honorable discharge.

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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 12:47 PM
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1. Nice job.
:thumbsup:
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 12:48 PM
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2. That story about the dad and the son is just plain f'ed up.
A story in which a 9 year old boy is emotionally terrorized by his father is supposed to teach us about Iraq??? Never mind the total inaccuracy of the analogy, just the fact that someone wrote it is absolutely disturbing.
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jgardner Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 12:54 PM
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7. I agree!
As I was reading, I just kept thinking about how that mean man made his little boy cry!!!
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 12:49 PM
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3. Bravo!
Well said! I'm bookmarking this in case I get it, too.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 12:50 PM
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4. Excellent reply!
I hope you replied to all on the cc list.
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 12:54 PM
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6. I did-a couple of people have peeled off and are in attack mode now
One reply (excerpted), which makes my jaw drop is:

The "Hate Bush" crowd is not new. President Bush is the object of their hatred today because he is an icon for American values. It is really America they hate. They believe that America is the cause of all that is wrong in the world. The don't want a better America, they want America destroyed. They rooted for Communism until it fell, then they took up whatever causes they felt might be most damaging to America: moronic environmentalism, animal rights, gay rights, whatever. They are not really FOR any of these things. they are AGAINST America. These people generally rail about the separation of church and state, yet they actually root for the Islamic terrorists because the terrorists hate America.

George Bush is simply the current icon for them to focus their hatred toward. They don't usually SAY that they hate America (except for a few of the really whacked out kooks in some protest demonstrations), so they have to aim at a surrogate--but remember, what they really hate is America.
***
My reply
Bush's military records do not stand under scrutiny, nor has he explained the gaps, etc. If the records are repeatedly brought up over time, it is because he has not answered the questions-you may have seen that the Associated Press has asked for all the missing records-journalists also want to know the facts.

I am one that loves America, I value and cherish the constitutional rights that make us uniquely a democracy. To say that I, or anyone else, am against America simply because I do not agree with Bush's stance on some critical issues, including an unjust war built on false premises, seems a little skewed to me. As Teddy Roosevelt said
"The president is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the nation as a whole. Therefore, it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right ... To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 02:10 PM
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12. Superb!
Sounds like you're holding your own.
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 12:53 PM
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5. If this were real, I would go across the street to this guys house,
rip his door off the hinges, and kick his stupid ass for abusing his son in such a way.

Here's what's missing from the dialog:

"So, daddy, why are YOU still at home and not in Iraq fighting to kill the mean old man? Why haven't we gone to North Korea, Syria, Libya, Iran and Saudi Arabia to get all those other mean old men? Why did we leave Afghanistan without making sure we got the REALLY mean old man? What the FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU, DADDY?"
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 12:55 PM
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8. My Father Actually Did This To Me
Which seemed kind of weird back in the 80s. I kept screaming, "But Daddy, I don't even know who Saddam Hussein is." He barked back, "He's got a big moustache and he's really scary! What do you do!?! What do you do!?!"

But I still love my Dad...

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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 12:58 PM
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9. I had to stop here
"Now I want you to stand there and look out the window and pretend you see Saddam come out of his house with his wife, he has her by the hair and is hitting her. You see her bleeding and crying. He hits her in the face, he throws her on the ground, then he starts to kick her to death. Their children run out and are afraid to stop him, they are screaming and crying, they are watching this but do nothing because they are kids and they are afraid of their father. You see all of this son.... what do you do?"
"Dad?"
"What do you do son?"
"I'd call the police, Dad."


"No, son, you get him to stop, then you wait ten years, then you go over and kill his family before he does."
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 03:04 PM
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15. lol
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 01:13 PM
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10. But Dad..But Dad...Why did we give him the weapons.....
so he could hurt his neighbors?
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 01:27 PM
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11. I honestly believe that a FReeper would do that to their kids. And, I
I like your response.

I would have probably responded with something like, "Oh, son, by the way, this isn't the first time this man has done something wrong. A little while back he murdered his first wife and his children. But he did it with a gun that I bought him, so I was completely ok with that. In fact, afterwards I helped him get rid of the bodies and we had a few beers together."
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 02:35 PM
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13. ... Uncle Dick sneaked & did business with the neighbor. What about him?
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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 02:46 PM
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14. Also obvious is that the bully should have a house full of a Thousand men
not one woman and children. No comparison.
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