Ok, I'm ignorant. Someone fill me in on LaRouche.

[crispini]

They were giving out pamphlets outside a big Dem function and I took one to be nice. I thought I'd look at it, in the interest of being well informed. However, it is making me tired. Lotsa stuff about Venice, the ancient Greeks, a few pictures of the pyramids thrown in. I mean, page 1 of this thing, he starts in on the 1763 Treaty of Paris. What does this have to do with anything? What's he stand for? I'll freely admit, powerpoint has probably rotted my brain... can someone fill me in on a few bullet points?

[molly]

1. Well, he nuts

[Gman]

3. That's about all I can say too

he's nuts.

[Xipe Totec]

4. LOL, Now that is terse n/t

[NV1962]

2. Here's my top-3

• Tin-foil hat wholesaler
  
• Ultra-libertarian
  
• anti-Semite

In no particular order.

[htuttle]

7. Plus #4 --- Wannabe Agent Provacateur

LaRouche has always struck me as somebody that wanted into the 'club', but they wouldn't let him because he was nutz.

cf. His actions with RYM and RYM II during the 70's, and his 'Labor groups' in the 80's and 90's for examples of why I think this.

[MrBenchley]

24. During the Viet Nam war years he and his group

were widely suspected to be some sort of Nixon dirty trick...they used to spend their time disrupting otherwise peaceful anti-war rallies.

[Xipe Totec]

16. That Narrows it Down to LaRouche and Buchanan

Need a tie breaker.

:evilgrin:

[MsTryska]

33. hey now.....at least Buchanan is Anti-bush

and anti-war.


and realizes these freaks aren't good old-fashioned conservatives like him.


and yes, the world is ending and hell has frozen over, because by god, i agree with him.

[terrya]

5. Does he still believe the Queen of England...

is involved in the international drug trade?

[AngryAmish]

6. To Mars!

[fob]

8. LaRouche and Ignorant in same sentence - You're already there.

[digno dave]

10. WWFund is a front for British colonialism

for starters.
One thing he says i can't argue with, Bush family is corrupt and more influential than any of us would beging to believe.
Anti-gay, anti-choice, pro Vatican, anti-semitic, anti-post-modern

[genius]

14. His supporters are strongly pro-choice.

Some of his supporters are Jewish.

[0rganism]

9. LaRouche has, FWIW, endorsed Sen. Kerry's candidacy

I'm not sure if that in itself constitutes a net advantage for our side, but some of his bizarrely loyal cult following will probably end up voting for Kerry this time around.

[goodhue]

11. Yes, he endorsed Kerry on July 30th in Boston . . .

Lyndon LaRouche: Thank you. Now, obviously, we have a situation in which the nominee, Kerry, must occupy the White House by election in November. There are many problems involved, so far, with the Kerry team, which is not actually ready to deal with many of the problems which are going to hit the United States during this period. But when you look at the alternatives, you realize that Kerry is a decent person, with, for all ordinary purposes, a credible background, and credible commitments; but he just needs some touching up on a lot of very important issues which he does not yet, presently, understand. But apart from those particular differences—which is our responsibility, and mine in particular, to set forth the alternative to some of the more weak points in his address last night, particularly the latter 30 minutes of it—we've got to get him elected. Because the alternative is unthinkable.

http://larouchepac.com/pages/speeches_files/2004/040730_bostonpc_trans.htm

[genius]

12. He's a liberal Democrat who's been the subject of a vicious witch hunt.

I've never met him but I've met people who have. He is a FDR Democrat who was a strong supporter of Clinton. His favorite of the candidates was Kucinich. However, he also liked Clark and is a strong supporter of Kerry. His people are opponents of the death penalty and of NAFTA and want to bring corporations under control. His group is anti-war. The person who co-founded his group wrote a book called "The Unauthorized Biography of George H.W. Bush" that makes Bush, Sr., look really bad. I met the daughter of this guy but I don't recall her name or his. I think she is Jewish. The nonsense about these people being anti-Semitic is a combination of lies and mischaracterization of his opposition to Israel's government. Many years ago, he was framed for something ( I dont' recall what) in order to keep him from becoming a political force. Apparently, people would also go around pretending to be his supporters and some phoney web sites were set up to also make him look bad. Those who are out to get him are really out to get him and most people just believe what they are told.

When I first asked about the group, I got all kinds of voodoo nonsense in response. I don't like being propagandized. A number of his supporters are on county and state central committees and are among the most liberal Democrats. The ones I know are relatively quiet except they stand up for liberal issues. Sometimes people outside have protested the minimalization of his group. Even those who protested seemed pretty civilized and polite. The one position I've heard about that I have issues with is his belief that nuclear power can be made safe. Nuclear anything scares me.

Absent a name change, he will never be President and I don't know if anyone else in his group is going to take take over when he dies.

My fear is that they will do to Kucinich or other liberals what they did to him.

[goodhue]

15. yes but

He rarely makes any sense. He is like Kucinich through the looking glass--instead of speaking in absolutely clarity, his words are often completely nonsensical. And he has in the past in fact adopted some of the anti-one world and black helicopters rhetoric best left to intolerant hate groups. His rhetoric today is pretty tolerant, however, and he is right on many issues when making sense. But there still is a pretty heavy dose of megalomania and nonsense.

In the July 30, 2004 Kerry endorsement speech, LaRouche himself addresses in closing what he stands for and although the sentiment seems well taken the point is somewhat lost on me. Of course, I lack LaRouche's self-described special advantages . . .

http://larouchepac.com/pages/speeches_files/2004/040730_bostonpc_trans.htm

What LaRouche Stands For
That's what we must represent. Not merely "good things." We're not a buffet. We're not a smorgasbord, in which you can buy this or that, and pick it up at the table. We have to represent—We're all going to die, sooner or later. And when we die, we have to ask the question: What was that all about? Does it mean that your life meant something for humanity? That it meant something which expressed honor toward the struggles of your predecessors? Did it represent a legacy of good for your posterity, those who come after you, to build upon?

It is only that kind of attitude, and that kind of historical conception of who you are, who we are, that will give you the intellectual and moral strength, in a time of crisis as severe as that which is occurring now, to lead this nation out of a crisis.

More important: As you survey the world today, as I do, with certain special advantages: There is no nation on this planet which, if the United States were to fail in the mission I define—if the United States were to fail, there is no hope for humanity to avoid a prolonged, new dark age. Because there is no nation on this planet which is capable, for historical reasons, of providing the kind of leadership that we can provide, in the image of what Franklin Roosevelt did during his term in office.

And that's what I stand for. If we build on those kinds of principles, and can awaken in the American people—or at least, a lot of them—a sense of what this nation is; what the purpose of existence of the United States is; we can create a new constituency from among those who are poor; from among those are desperately poor, called youth, 18-25 years of age! We can create a new constituency which people like Kerry and company will have to recognize as the basis for the future of this nation.

And I'm sure John Kerry, as he expressed in his address, and in the preliminaries to his address with his old friends from the Vietnam era, and with Max Cleland—anyone who's reached that age has to have a question mark in front of their eyes. The question mark is immortality. Not what is going to be waiting to be donated to them on the other side of death, but immortality in the sense that they have done something, that's good, and which will be continued by the coming generation.

We have to instill a sense of that, where the message will be well received. And I think the virtue of John Kerry and his circle, despite all the shortcomings I may detect in his current policies and practices; that his susceptibility to the sense of leaving a legacy for the coming generations—as, his daughters, for example—a legacy by which he can say he has done well; is the thing that will move that circle around Kerry, to accept what we have to propose. Thank you.

[MrBenchley]

23. He's no more liberal than he is minty-fresh....

There's nothing in his platform or his programs that is even remotely liberal, and his group is a cult. He's one of those loonies who says the Holocaust never happened.

Nor was he framed...he went away for mail fraud and tax evasion in 1988.

[eridani]

26. He starts out making sense--

--but then veers off into Planet Whackjob. One of his supporters gave me his position paper on the Middle East. Said lots of sensible things about recognizing Palestinian grievances, etc., but then he started in on how he was the only person who could possibly make his peace plan work, because he was the only American whom all of the parties involved trusted. WTF???

That's what most of his papers are like--perfectly straightforward liberal Dem stuff, and then off the deep end.

Kucinich is in a different category, having bothered to run for and often win a number of political offices before considering running for president.

[ISUGRADIA]

27. He's a friggin' nut whose supporters exploit old people

to get $ for his fantasy campaigns. He's never been and never would have been a serious force in the Democratic Party and he was not "framed for something." I remember his campaign literature from 1984 claiming the Queen of England was the head of some drug smuggling conspiracy. Plus from seeing the guy's infomercials in previous years, he is not Mr. Charisma.

The enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend.

"Absent a name change, he will never be President"

Absent a time machine he'd never get elected even if he had a serious background. He's 82 years old.

[T Town Jake]

30. Oh, Jeezus..."he's a liberal Democrat"...

..."who's been the subject of a vicious witch hunt." Please...
He's a fanatic, a felon, and a perpetual loser. I'm truly amazed that anyone even remotely associated with "liberal" causes could pimp for his brand of cultish silliness with anything even approaching a straight face...

[crispini]

13. Ok, thanks all.

I was definitely getting the "weird" vibe from these pamphlets. Validated. Maybe I'll read 'em later when I'm less pressed for time...

[JohnKleeb]

17. he's interesting

I find his views on the british royal crown ummm, hah.

[goodhue]

18. Speaking of interesting

I commend his recent writings to DU's collective attention . . .

http://larouchepac.com/pages/writings_files/writings.html

0913/2004 KEEP THINKING: "W" AS IN "WRONG" - THE MOST CRUCIAL FEATURE OF THE KERRY CAMPAIGN: THE BIG WORLD CRASH OF 2004 IS THE KEY TO THE CAMPAIGN

0911/2004 WHY 'LAROUCHE IN 2004' WAS INDISPENSABLE - HAD I NOT BEEN EXCLUDED

0911/2004 DUMPING THE UNDERTAKER: HOW TO CAMPAIGN FOR KERRY

09/07/2004 HOW CAN INTELLIGENCE SERVE AN UN-INTELLIGIBLE PRESIDENT?

09/02/2004 THE FACTS BEHIND THE FRANKLIN CASE: WE ARE GRIPPED BY A GLOBAL STRATEGY OF TENSION

08/30/2004 FRANKLIN: A NON-PARTISAN INSTITUTIONAL REFLEX

08/19/2004 THE WORLD MONETARY SYSTEM HAS CRACKED IN GERMANY TODAY!

08/15/2004 PRINCIPLES OF EIR ECONOMICS
WHAT THE EIR ECONOMIC CHARTS WILL SHOW YOU

08/15/2004 BUSH & CHENEY: THE VIETNAM DODGERS' TEAM

08/04/2004 A G. W. BUSH INTELLIGENCE CZAR IS OBVIOUSLY AN OXYMORON

07/30/2004 'A REAL DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM FOR NOVEMBER 2004' - LETTER OF TRANSMITTAL

Here is closing of most recent writing on W is Wrong . . .

http://larouchepac.com/pages/writings_files/2004/040913_keepthinking.htm

We can and must shift the discussion from the abstract, fanciful chatter about "terrorism," to showing that what is called "terrorism" by a confused dry drunk known as W, is actually what a competent professional military intelligence specialist knows by such names as "irregular warfare," "guerrilla warfare," or as a commonplace part of the asymmetric warfare which came to be practiced by both sides in the United States' war in Indochina. Often effects which are called "terrorists' actions" are actually forces disguised as a terrorist group's conspiratorial action; they are usually the instruments of forms of warfare deployed by known governments, just as the United States and Britain, among others, created and used the organization to which they recruited Osama bin Laden, for the U.S. war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

What Bush calls "terr'sts" are not the invading Martians from outer space, which W's intellectually challenged chatter suggests his father's one-time asset, Osama, to be; they are part of a growing pattern of asymmetric warfare being conducting by various known kinds of political powers, under various disguises. If we build the conditions of peaceful cooperation with our partners among the nations of Eurasia, we cooperating powers can put out at least most of the fires of terrorism, fires which the policies of Cheney and his puppet Bush 43 have stoked since W's first day as President. It is Cheney's doctrine of "permanent revolution" throughout the planet, his dogma of "preventive nuclear-armed, continuing warfare," which is the chief enemy of civilization today. Remove the Bush-Cheney factor, and the road to solutions is opened.

[sofa king]

19. I used to live in Loudoun County, VA

...Where he has his "compound." At one point it was a walled estate with armed guards, but I think that changed after his self-proclaimed wrongful arrest for mail fraud, tax evasion, extortion and conspiracy.

His minions used to train-up for the big time (challenging the Hari Krishnas for prime airport space and Metro stop information booths) by distributing flyers to Loudoun residents. I never knew Loudoun was such an important place.

Going by memory, here was what LaRouche thought was going on in my quiet local community.

The Queen of England, through her sycophant Jack Kent Cooke (Loudoun resident and then-owner of the Washington Redskins) was orchestrating an attempt to corner the property market in Loudoun, financed by the proceeds of the Queen's control of the international opium trade.

Once Loudoun was purchased, the plan was to have the county secede from Virginia and the United States and become the Queen's Territory in America, to be used as a base for the control of her interests in the United States and as a haven for corporate expansionism.

At most LaRouche booths, you will often see slogans and rants carefully hand written on grade-school lined poster pad paper. These posters are purportedly created by LaRouche himself. The story goes that he spends a lot of time lying on the wood floor of his office, writing these things.

However, something genuinely strange was going on behind that first LaRouche trial. Somehow he managed to get the judge to search President Bush's office for documents relating to him, and several figures indicted in the Iran Contra scandal apparently really did discuss taking LaRouche down, including Oliver North and Richard Secord (both of whom lived in Great Falls, on the border of Loudoun County). The trial fizzled out and LaRouche was re-indicted and convicted.

[T Town Jake]

29. Here's the bottom line to all that verbiage you posted...

...He's a bug-eyed nut job. That's all, and pretty much sums it up...

[no_hypocrisy]

20. He's an enigma. First started out left of the left, part of the student

uprising at Columbia University in the late 60's.

Radically did a 180 and became right of the right, that's more or less where you can find him now.

At least he has a plan, totally unworkable, but no obfuscation.

[goodhue]

21. He is actually back on the left of the left these days . . .

http://larouchepac.com/pages/press_releases_files/2004/040920_war.htm

LAROUCHE: "A VOTE FOR BUSH-CHENEY IS A VOTE FOR
PERPETUAL WAR AND ECONOMIC HELL"

Sept. 20, 2004

Lyndon LaRouche issued the following statement Sept. 20, 2004, through the LaRouche Political Action Committee (LPAC). LaRouche, who was a candidate for the Democratic Party Presidential nomination in 2004, has endorsed John Kerry and John Edwards, and is aggressively campaigning for a landslide Democratic Party victory on Nov. 2.

"Over the course of the past 72 hours, I have conferred with some leading Western European statesmen, and I can tell you that they are self-deluded in the extreme. They believe that they can 'live' with a second Bush-Cheney term in office in the United States. They are insane. They fail to realize that Bush and Cheney are not prepared to 'live' with them. Bush is a stooge of Cheney and the forces behind Cheney, who are committed to a new string of wars that will soon engulf the entire planet, if they are not stopped, through a landslide defeat on Nov. 2. If you are mad enough to want wars against Iran, North Korea, Syria, China, the Caucasus region of Russia—perpetual wars that, like the Thirty Years' War of the 17th century, wipe out whole populations—then vote for Bush and Cheney.

"If you want a viable alternative, then follow my lead: Vote for John Kerry. The alternative is too horrific to even contemplate. A John Kerry, elected into the White House by my methods, mobilizing the lower-80%-income households on behalf of a radical change in policy, back to policies associated with Franklin Roosevelt's bankruptcy reorganization/economic recovery, will function as President.

"A Bush-Cheney reelection by a terrorized, manipulated American electorate would bring on not only perpetual wars all over the planet: It would bring about the biggest economic collapse in modern history. This week, my PAC is issuing a pamphlet, documenting the total collapse of the physical economy of the United States, and outlining the emergency steps that can and must be taken to rebuild America out of the present state of worse-than-Great Depression misery. We included a list of existing legislation, before the U.S. Congress, that would get this process going. All this legislation has been stalled by the Bush-Cheney White House, and by their Congressional hatchetmen like Tom DeLay (R-Texas).

"You, the American people, must fight for these policies, as if your very lives and the lives of your children and grandchildren depended on it—because they do!

"Don't allow your own fears to self-delude you into believing that George W. Bush is the President of the United States. He is a mental case. Don't ask what Bush is thinking because he can't. Ask what Cheney is thinking, and the people who stand behind Cheney. They are the ones promoting policies of endless war and economic looting.

"I know that many of you harbor these same views, and are deeply concerned that John Kerry and John Edwards, so far, have failed to address these issues in such a blunt and straightforward fashion as I am accustomed to doing. I know that this is John Kerry's election to lose, unless he begins to speak his mind, and ignore the counsel of cowardly campaign advisors. But I must also speak to you bluntly: The United States and the world will not survive a reelection of Bush and Cheney. It is that simple. John Kerry's shortcomings can be overcome—if you, the American people, take responsibility for your own destiny, and decisively vote Bush and Cheney out of office. The fate of the United States, indeed, the fate of the entire world, is in your hands. Do not shirk that responsibility."

[no_hypocrisy]

25. Thanks for the update. Inconsistent little rascal, isn't he?

[T Town Jake]

32. Good for him...

...he's still as crazy as the day is long, as are his nutty and seriously deluded followers...

[MrBenchley]

22. He's a fucking loony...

First showed up in the 1960s with a group that pretended to be against the war, showed up at anti-war events, and picked fights with other anti-war units. It was suspected at the time he was part of Cointelpro, like "Tommy the Traveler" who wandered from campus to campus inciting and even leading bombings and other acts of violence and who turned out to be an FBI agent.

In the 1980s he had the loonies that used to hang out in airports and pass out pamphlets pushing for more nuclear power.

[JSJ]

28. a political leader, of some note, who was imprisoned

That's it- that's all I know.

[Pepperbelly]

31. I had a lengthy conversation with a LaRouche supporter once ...

She was canavassing for him. I asked her about his thoughts on the Drug War. She told me he intended to win it. I told her I was for legalization. We argued and she ended up telling me I was wrong and to fuck myself.

:smoke:

That was some fun!