Obama saves 2.6 million acres of forest.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/17/science/earth/17forest.html?em

In Oregon. Much of it old growth.

[sandnsea]

1. I'm ecstatic

They've really been going log wild and most of them want to cut at least twice as much as they have been.

[usregimechange]

2. Good news

[Cha]

3. That's great..and quite a bit more

than the Alaskan National Forest trees to be cut..

vaberella (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-16-09 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #32

37. check out post #31 or a good excerpt below of one of her many posts:
I have spent the last hour reading the comments and have never seen so much misinformation in my life.
These are the facts:

This is not the first timber sale allowed on public land since Obama became president. It is the first on public land in a designated ROADLESS area.
This is a timber sale on National Forest land NOT a National Park.
National forest lands were created to provide products and resources to the American public including wood products, minerals, grazing land etc. Logging, mining, etc is allowed.
National Parks were created for recreational enjoyment, education, and preservation of natural and historical resources. The above activities are not allowed (NO Logging, mining, etc).
There are 53 million acres of National PARK land in Alaska (70% of US total).
There are 23 million acres on National Forest land in Alaska.
See http://www.alaskacoalition.org/Public_lands.htm
The area involved in this timber sale is 381 acres or .00165 percent of the total national forestland in Alaska.
The 381 acres of land in this timber sale is to be clearcut.
The US Forest Service requires reforestation after logging/clearcutting.
The land can and will be reforested.
Logging/clearcutting will not destroy the land, but it will not be able to provide the same habitat for wildlife for many years.
It will most likely be used by new and different wildlife species, since the habitat will change drastically providing completely different sources of food and other resources.

I'm sure a bit of quick fact checking would clear up a lot of her statements.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8531075#8531531

[D-Lee]

28. THANKS for this informative post! n/t

[Uzybone]

4. KnR

[nightrain]

5. and the Secy of Agriculture just okayed logging in a huge rainforest in Alaska...

I guess that's called "splitting the baby"....


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/16/obama-administration-appr_n_235311.html

[Cha]

6. No it's not... learn the facts before you

knee jerk "splitting the baby". The area involved is 381 acres.

3. That's great..and quite a bit more
than the Alaskan National Forest trees to be cut..

vaberella (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-16-09 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #32

37. check out post #31 or a good excerpt below of one of her many posts:
I have spent the last hour reading the comments and have never seen so much misinformation in my life.
These are the facts:

This is not the first timber sale allowed on public land since Obama became president. It is the first on public land in a designated ROADLESS area.
This is a timber sale on National Forest land NOT a National Park.
National forest lands were created to provide products and resources to the American public including wood products, minerals, grazing land etc. Logging, mining, etc is allowed.
National Parks were created for recreational enjoyment, education, and preservation of natural and historical resources. The above activities are not allowed (NO Logging, mining, etc).
There are 53 million acres of National PARK land in Alaska (70% of US total).
There are 23 million acres on National Forest land in Alaska.
See http://www.alaskacoalition.org/Public_lands.htm
The area involved in this timber sale is 381 acres or .00165 percent of the total national forestland in Alaska.
The 381 acres of land in this timber sale is to be clearcut.
The US Forest Service requires reforestation after logging/clearcutting.
The land can and will be reforested.
Logging/clearcutting will not destroy the land, but it will not be able to provide the same habitat for wildlife for many years.
It will most likely be used by new and different wildlife species, since the habitat will change drastically providing completely different sources of food and other resources.

I'm sure a bit of quick fact checking would clear up a lot of her statements."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8531075#8531531

[LynneSin]

10. I think for those of us in the main 48 states, it's tough to imagine just how big this forest is

And how little 381 acres is compared to the size of Tongass.

[winyanstaz]

27. Just so you know...

When logging companies replant, they tend to replant all the exact same type of trees. There is no way in heaven or hell to equate an acre of all the exact same seedlings with an old growth forest.
In the meantime, the new seedlings come up so thick, the forest service then has to pay "thinners" to go back in and thin out the trees.
A forest of all the exact same trees cannot sustain wildlife or a healthy forest eco system.
It is far less damaging to just select a few trees to log at any one time and we have the capabilities to lift them out without a lot of damage or even roads having to be built.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. 381 acres vs. 2.6 million acres.

Of course, we've known for over a year now the issues the Obama haters have with math.

[Flying Dream Blues]

11. Good point on the math! nt

[Cha]

12. +1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1

Made my day:P What's a "Pron"?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. It's kind of like a big scrimp.

[Cha]

20. YE-ah..

A Shrimp Prawn.:9

[Mojorabbit]

29. Once they start

it does not end. Little by little they will whittle it away.

[boppers]

7. I live here, and love the trees.

Maybe in 50 years we'll be ready for another large scale harvest, but we're still trying to fix the last 100 years of massive clear-cutting policy. It was so bad that I regularly drive by a sawmill that's 20 *miles* away from the nearest lumber tree.

[Liberation Angel]

8. K&R

nt

[earth mom]

13. Meanwhile Obama allows rainforest in Alaska to be cut.

:puke:

But you don't want anyone to know that do ya?

This thread has a helluva lot more recs than your thread has:

Obama administration green lights logging in Tongass National Forest

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3971999



p.s. UNWRECK!!!

[Mrs. Overall]

15. I don't understand why you would be angry about a positive step--

I agree with you about the travesty in Alaska's forest, but to recommend that people "unwreck" a thread where the administration did something positive seems self-defeating.

Celebrate the victory for Oregonians and work to change the mistake in Alaska by being vocal.

I don't understand the anger.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

17. I don't understand this new term..."unwreck".

That sounds like a good thing, but the people that use that term use it pejoratively.

[AspenRose]

16. Um, see response #6.

And I didn't realize this was a contest.

[depakid]

18. It's deceptive to say that it's "saved"

The Bush plan- with its rigged numbers has been thrown out- and new revisions to the Northwest Forest Plan are likely to be in the works.

And my bet is that folks may not like the end result very much.

[PretzelWarrior]

19. thank you. KICKED!!! the anti Obama posse is out in full force

the apostate Dems, the uber liberal for whom no actual elected politician is good enough, and the Republican/disruptor trolls. All aligning right here on DU to attack our president hourly.

[nightrain]

22. when a 7 mile road is also cut

into this area of the Tongass Forest, that probably means more logging will go on after this initial acreage is clearcut. Why a 7 mile road and clearcutting? Job creation? Why not re-train those loggers instead?

I don't subscribe to a "My President Right or Wrong Approach". Plenty of very solid progressive Democrats and Independents who voted for Obama are VERY disappointed in many of the decisions that are being made by the Obama people.

Remember, we still sorta have freedom of speech. You may not agree with what others say, but we will continue to say it. Back off on the personal (erroneous) attacks. Ad hominem attacks mean the person doing them has a very weak argument.

Critical thinking is essential, personal attacks are not.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. Wow, seven whole miles.

That's, like, long, and stuff.

[nightrain]

26. I guess you don't value roadless wilderness. I have spent plenty

of time in many areas. They are extremely special and deserve to be protected. Sarcasm is not needed and basically just contributes to my poor impression of you, your points, and your dismissive attitude.

[proud patriot]

21. excellent

[DesertRat]

23. That's very good news. k&r

[grantcart]

24. Which simply proves that Obama hates 'ground moss'

Those trees will choke out the ground moss that could have sprung up if we chopped down the entire forest.



Obama continues his assault on the environment.