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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:21 PM Original message |
Folks. There is a big difference between a National Forest vs. a National Park |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. do we really want to keep turning mature forests -- watersheds -- into tree farms |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. If we were talking more than 0.00224% of Tongass perhaps I'd be concerned |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. you should be concerned, because that's what the ag dept. has been doing for years |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Point of clarification: |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. yet none in the wild area where they are going to put new ones |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:26 AM Response to Reply #13 |
91. Tell me how much Ancient Virgin Old growth is there in National Parks? |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:11 AM Response to Reply #91 |
99. Which ones? |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Whats salient about the question ? All of them. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #99 |
152. Excellent find. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Two things |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. except that this comes on top of okaying wolf kills, mountaintop removals, etc. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. I know mountaintop removals were one of the first Bush rules that Obama overturned |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. Do you ahve any idea how deceptive that percentage is? |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. exactly -- no one thinks in ecosystem/watershed terms |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. I know there is more to be read about this |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. I'm not sure, Lynne, that just because our gov't has been doing something since the late 19th |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
54. Yes, but we're talking about a rain forest, one of the last in the world... |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Actually there is a clean-up plan with it |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. you'll note that citation says this will happen in a designated roadless area |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. I'm not saying it's perfect - just sharing the facts with everyone |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. oh, we have more than environmental decision to judge his administration on |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:32 AM Response to Reply #40 |
94. How much Ancient Old Growth is there in National Parks? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #26 |
102. Betcha they are gonna replant it with a single species of fast-growing |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
55. there already are logging roads close to the area because adjacent areas were |
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fifthoffive (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #23 |
150. Done properly |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
72. The percentage may be small, |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
76. Actually, I agree. The precedent is not good, but we're talking about a very small |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
78. Well almost every environmental group |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 01:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
141. +1, villager. |
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fifthoffive (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #141 |
149. It is a valid choice |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #149 |
154. It sucks to high heaven. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. thank you lynn, for settingthe record straight. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Just so you know I do respect those who still have issues |
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jkshaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. Yes, much thanks is due here. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
4. "to see people scream that Obama is worthless, shouldn't be re-elected ..." |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. That's true but for those on the fence I like to share facts |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. And I appreciate your doing it... |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
35. Thanks, Lynne, it is |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
6. It's not the logging per se that I'm against |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I'm still concerned on that one |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
7. Doesn't matter... we're to cut down NO trees ever again |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
11. The Wilderness Area situation in Tongass is even more complex. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. 17 million acres and there has been logging in Tongass since 1950 |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
67. ...Of which 5 acres are Wilderness |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:16 AM Response to Reply #19 |
87. "17 million acres" is deceptive, you shouldn't use that number |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #87 |
129. "good habitat" isn't one thing. |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:22 AM Response to Reply #19 |
90. They have been logging the Tongass long before the 50s |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
27. We have specific exceptions to a lot of the Lower 48 rules |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Interesting statistics |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #30 |
47. Oh, no, I didn't think you were cheerleading. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I'll read about that when I get home |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
103. The Designated Wilderness are in Higher Elevations containing, |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
12. Sustainable logging, no clear cuts |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
33. That bothers me |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 05:00 AM Response to Reply #12 |
142. Clearcutting can sometimes be a better option |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
14. Burn it all down. Use is all up. Wheeeeee! |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. You do realize that trees are a "renewable resource", right? |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. You do realize what "old growth" means, right? |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #32 |
80. Having spent most of my childhood in the Cascade mountains I can tell |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
44. you do realize that "forests," in the profoundest sense, are not? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. Trees *can* be grown like cabbages and corn. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. you have a brilliant future in store for you at Weyerhauser, then |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Entire ecosystems can be destroyed. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #62 |
77. yes -- but I wouldn't want to view wilderness the same way |
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Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #21 |
45. While it's true that trees are renewable, old growth forests take hundreds of years to grow. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 12:20 AM Response to Reply #45 |
81. Pine and fur don't grow for hundreds of years. They grow a few decades |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:10 AM Response to Reply #81 |
86. Forests have a finite life span |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #81 |
111. Wow. Who taught you that? |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Wow, interesting that most of these forests are still intact since 1891, |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Gosh. Let's cut 'em down then. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Since 1891 we've had plenty of democrats and republicans |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
64. What has that to do with the subject/ |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Nothing, it has to do with what I replied to |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #31 |
155. Rec this post. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
51. that must be why large wildlife has "thrived" since then, I guess... |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
18. I am against public land being used for provate profit. Especially |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. But you do understand the purpose of the National Forest is to monitor resource gathering |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. I recognize the difference. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. I definately agree with your 2nd sentence |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
71. I use public roads for private profit |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #71 |
107. Fascist pig. Build your own roads. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
37. Better it all be in private hands |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 05:04 AM Response to Reply #37 |
143. Timber companies with private holdings are often better resource stewards |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
128. National parks and wildneresses are intended to be pristine ecosystems. |
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jmondine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
46. Also, it is not, as some have claimed, the last temperate rainforest in the country |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. It would be nice if Obama turned Tongass into a National Park |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. Rafting down the Hoh river was awesome. Rec'd to everybody. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 05:06 AM Response to Reply #46 |
144. Redwood country is a temperate rainforest too |
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Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
49. As I mentioned in a previous thread, I don't see how this action reconciles with Obama's |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
69. Only for that fiscal year |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
52. I'm not that well versed on this issue and your explanation is very detailed. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. For more from the original story, see treegirl's comments.... |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. Yes, I read them yesterday. n/t |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
56. But it's fun to ignore those facts, if all you want to do it whine about Obama, |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. I saw references to "Obummer" and "bots" in that thread |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Of course. And those who claim to be "legitimate critics" just stand by and watch it happen... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
63. Can we separate the issues? |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. OMG what a great read |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #65 |
115. From the timber industry view |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Good info! |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #63 |
82. also another point on clearcutting and age is the fact that |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #82 |
109. The Tongass is a Rain forest , No fires there. and if they have fires |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 05:09 AM Response to Reply #82 |
145. Fires are by definition clear cut events? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:37 AM Response to Reply #63 |
88. I remember reading a little of the business side of it |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #63 |
114. Clear cutting is why a 35 year old tree doesn't mature |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #114 |
125. Weyerhaueser, the local governments who own forests, friends in fisheries & habitat restoration... |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
73. I see the results of clear cuts on a regular basis |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I see it often myself |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:32 AM Response to Reply #74 |
93. They also degrade water quality and destroy fish habitat |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #74 |
117. and in 10 more years they're toothpicks |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
75. This is a great disappointment |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #75 |
98. But you do understand that this is what the National Forests are for |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
79. Also consider that he SAVED 2.6 MILLION acres in Oregon. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:48 AM Response to Reply #79 |
89. Somene in that thread pointed out this is deceptive. |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #89 |
104. NO, he definitely "saved" it. It was designated to be cut |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #89 |
112. He ended WOPR |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 08:01 AM Response to Reply #79 |
95. How much Ancient Old Growth is there left in Oregon? Try ... |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #95 |
105. WRONG! Check your facts before you spew. nt |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. Ok snarky guy from Nashville Where is Oregons Old Growth? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. *sigh* |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #113 |
120. I live on the planet Earth , Just because there are a few small groves |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. Another logger |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #123 |
130. You seem to be reading something in my post that I'm not advocating |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #123 |
131. The OP was stating that because the Tongass is a National Forest |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. You said there is no Old Growth in Oregon |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. National parks AND protected wilderness areas. |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #133 |
135. Neither contains Temperate Rain Forest, the Tongass is Unique. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 10:13 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. No, never. Only place I've been to in Alaska is Fairbanks. |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 10:35 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. Misty fjords is called the Yosemite of the North |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. Are you sure you're not thinking of Glacier Bay? |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 08:10 AM Response to Reply #139 |
147. Most of the forest consists of old-growth timber stands undisturbed by man. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #147 |
148. Here are some links |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #148 |
151. So ask your self having never been there why are there no roads |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #110 |
119. OK, to be honest I've never been to Oregon - BUT |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. From your Wikipedia Post |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. OK, I don't know anything about the Central Cascades. What |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. There is a ton of Old Growth in Oregon |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. Me either. Unless he's trying to sidetrack us? |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
83. Have you ever been to the Tongass? |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. They build ski resorts on Virgin Old Growth, wow thats news. |
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jclincali (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
85. Spoken like a true east-coaster |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 08:25 AM Response to Reply #85 |
97. No, spoken like someone who read what the function of National Forests are |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:31 AM Response to Original message |
92. You obviously hold a different view from those who care about pristine areas. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #92 |
96. I know what the damage is done with logging |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
101. Clearcutting, except in very small areas, is environmentally irresponsible. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
106. Ski Resorts do more damage? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #106 |
116. Who is fighting against ski resorts? |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
108. K&R. nt |
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Umbral (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
118. Yeah, one's for sale and the other isn't - Yet. nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
126. It's not the logging I'm against, it's the clear-cutting. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #126 |
134. Techniques that are good in one place are not necessarily good in every place. |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
136. why don't we pave paradise and put up a parking lot |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
140. Good point Lynne |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 05:19 AM Response to Original message |
146. Thanks for posting this |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
153. Thank for bringing FACTS to this matter |
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