It's Elementary, my dear DU! Lucy Ramirez is Nydia Stone & Roger Stone is

[Dems Will Win]

the unknown man with the envelope that gave Burkett the forged documents!!

I have just finished playing my violin and have figured out the whole Memo Scandal.

Bush is toast.

Lucy Ramirez is Nydia Stone (Cuban) and Roger Stone is the guy with the envelope (probably wearing sunglasses and a hat). Burkett could indentify him and her voice--because this is wire fraud and a felony, as William Safire so helpfully pointed out in the New York Times today.

Since Stone grew up with Rove in the Dirty Tricks Department, the whole thing becomes clear.

It's the old Rove trick as they did with Hatfield and planting the cocaine stories. Burkett has a history of mental illness and so became Patsy #1. And only Rove could have gotten Stone the original memos to copy!

Now fetch me my pipe!

Burkett's story--in which he is virtuous to the lady and dutifully burns the originals as she requested:

-snip-

The story begins in March, when Mr. Burkett, who had just been on MSNBC's "Hardball" discussing Mr. Bush's Guard service, received a call from a mysterious woman he calls Lucy Ramirez. Previously, Mr. Burkett had identified the source of the memos as one George Conn, another former Texas National Guard officer, conveniently abroad in Europe. In an e-mail to USA Today, Mr. Conn denied any involvement with the Killian memos. Mr. Burkett himself admits that he had lied about his source as a way of protecting her.

In their conversation, Lucy Ramirez explained how she had in her custody damaging documents to Mr. Bush and scheduled a meeting with Mr. Burkett to hand them over. That meeting occurred on or around March 3 at a livestock show in Houston. But, according to Mr. Burkett, Lucy Ramirez didn't show up. Instead, as he told USA Today, an unknown "man handed him an envelope and quickly left." After receiving the memos, Mr. Burkett said he stopped off at a Kinko's store in Waco and made copies. In the parking lot outside, Mr. Burkett said he then burned the originals, pursuant to Lucy Ramirez's wishes. Over the next few days, Mr. Burkett said he hid the copies "in cold storage" at an undisclosed location 100 miles from his home in Baird.

-snip-

http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20040921-085106-6584r.htm

A Dirty Trick has finally been exposed--and well before an election!

[ewagner]

1. sigh................

the hard part is proving it.....

don't get me wrong, I think it's probably true but proving it beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt is damned near impossible.

[Dems Will Win]

3. All Burkett has to do is testify Roger Stone was the man who gave him

the forged docs.

Then investigate where Stone was on March 3, travel records, phone records. Did he phone his wife back?

In other words, Lucy! You got some 'splainin to do!

[mbali]

6. Right - Burkett's word is as good as gold these days . . .

If he says it was Stone, the world will believe him.

Not.

[Joanne98]

9. If the thugs have proven anything, they've proven how gulliable

the american people are. they'll believe it if you say it enough times.

[spanone]

27. Classic Rove, even the truth won't be believed now!

[Dems Will Win]

28. Ah but we can prove this other ways.

Where was Roger Stone on March 3, what do his phone records say? As Safire pointed out this is wire fraud, old bean.

[dweller]

4. near impossible bedamned

Perhaps the element of suspicion growing into a inkling of doubt will be enough to trouble the minds of those 'undecideds' and wavering supporters come Nov.
:shrug:

of course, proof would be the pudding.
dp

[Capn Sunshine]

10. The problem with the democrats

is the inability to put the story "OUT THERE" without a preponderance of evidentiary proof like it was a Grand Jury Case.

This is NOT how politics are played, and proof does not enter into the slime equation.

This isn't a trial; it's an election. That means when they throw mud, you throw mud back. Time to get your hands dirty , my friend.

[never cry wolf]

2. I dunno, something smells fishy

The first rumors about stone apprear in murdoch's NY Post and now this story from the moonie times. Do you think anything political gets printed in either that does not pass Rove's muster?

I don't know, I feel funny about this.

[Dems Will Win]

5. You should know that Stone and Rove have been on opposing

GOP sides before. Perhaps Stone offered to do this or did it on his own.

Where did he get the documents?

If a Repub is believed to be the forger, that it is a scam to coverup the records, then everyone will suddenly think Bush really did go AWOL, don't you see?

There's no loss for the Dems here any way you shake it.

Safire called for an investigation today for wire fraud, just so the FBI could come in and cover the whole thing up.

It's a dirty trick that blew up in the GOP's face. No Democrat would do this.

[Nashyra]

8. With the investigation now being done

There is a better chance that they will uncover the Stone connection if it is true. I would wager that it is. I think this will end up being the down fall of Rove, I wonder if this why the repuke campaign has clammed up in the last few days.

[Dems Will Win]

11. Professor Moriarty unleashed Safire today to demand an FBI coverup, I mean

investigation! Let the coverup begin!

Whoever, having devised any scheme or artifice to defraud transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. " U.S. Criminal Code, Chapter 63, Section 1343.


WASHINGTON — At the root of what is today treated as an embarrassing blunder by duped CBS journalists may turn out to be a felony by its faithless sources.

Some person or persons conceived a scheme to create a series of false Texas Air National Guard documents and append a photocopied signature to one of them. The perpetrator then helped cause the fraudulent file to be transmitted by means of television communication to millions of voters for the purpose of influencing a federal election.


That was no mere "dirty trick"; it could be a violation of the U.S. criminal code. If the artifice had not been revealed by sharp-eyed bloggers, a national election could have been swung by a blatant falsehood.

Who was the forger? Did others conspire with him or her to present a seeming government document - with knowledge of its falsity and with intent to defraud, which is a felony in Texas? Who was to benefit and how?


-snip-

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/22/opinion/22safi.html?hp

The evil Professor Moriarty (Rove) even had a backup plan if Stone was found out. And so they unleashed Safire today with a call for an FBI investigation to cover it up until after the election.

They always make a mistake, my dear DU! All you need do is look!

[indie_voter]

12. But wouldn't the GOP (Rove) want to cover it up?

Even if Stone did it on his own, this would look terrible for Bush.

I am very confused. I don't see Rove trying to set up Stone not so close to the election.

But then I am clueless in this kind of stuff.

[Dems Will Win]

15. Ah, again elementary, my dear indie!

Rove has never gotten caught before, asked Stone to do it because he's not connected to any campaign, but is an accomplished dirty trickster.

Stone, however, was cocky and did it himself with his wife.

THis is why the rumors started about Stone, his wife is Cuban and would be Lucy.

[indie_voter]

29. Jolly good show! n/t

[never cry wolf]

31. Maybe Stone did not do it and can proove it

And rove is looking to smear egg on someone elses face. A misdirection ploy to hide the real perp as well as embarass some other reporter.

[Dems Will Win]

36. Ah, hereI think the gossip-monger might have heard a rumor

and it was printed in the paper before Scrubya saw it.

You might be right! WHere did I put that bloody violin!

MMMM.

Ah yes! We shall know by the way Lord Murdoch write the next morning paper! Shall he continue to tout the story with the Sexcapade photos, or will it disappear?

If it disappears, my word, Professor Moriarty is going to be angry! Someone did not do their job!

[henslee]

30. ditto. big ditto. Nothing slips by fascist smearhound Murdoch.

[Joanne98]

7. Burkett should just say he thinks it was them anyway.

Let them prove it wasn't. if they do it was just his opinion. SCREW THEM .

[Capn Sunshine]

13. But Holmes! What about the Rather lynching?

HARumph! Quite! I see! Red herring!
Astounding logic ! Why couldn't we see this before.

[Dems Will Win]

14. Thank you my dear Captain!

And when the White House didn't refute the forgeries, that was the curious incident, the DOG THAT DIDN'T BARK!

Eh? Eh?

You know I believe Arthur Conan Doyle should write a story about this!
"The Strange Case of the TANG Memos"!

Think I deserve a cup of tea, don't you?

[lasttrip]

19. have one on me. excellent job!

:toast:

[Dems Will Win]

23. Pip-pip! And TALLY-HO!

[readmylips]

16. The planter of the documents knew Burkett's state of mind...

they had studied him well enough to know he could/would be used to spread the story. I mean, they didn't choose to give the documents to General Wes Clark.

They knew Burkett was a sick angry man and not that intelligent. When the woman herself didn't show up to hand over the papers, a smart person would not have destroyed the originals. Burkett should have confided in a family member. He should have felt uncomfortable about his safety and taken a family member with him, and filmed the transaction in secret.

They knew Burkett was a good soldier (mentally programmed) and followed stupid instructions.

If the calls were made to Burkett's home phone, the calls can be traced. Whey aren't they doing that?

[zbdent]

17. Maybe Burkett really didn't burn the documents "as per Lucy's

wishes".

Remember a RW operative telling Monica to "keep the stained blue dress" to "cover her own ass"?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

18. What is Nydia Stone's maiden name?

Is it Ramirez?

[Dems Will Win]

22. "Probably not,--too obvious" says Holmes

Criminals do not use their maiden name, or old family names usually.

But worth taking a look...

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

32. It's "Bertran" I think

Since posting the question, I found a reference to Roger Stone's mother-in-law having the name Olga Bertran.

[girl gone mad]

20. Why did CBS go to Burkett?

That's what I want to know. Remember, CBS went to Burkett, he didn't go to them. Who told CBS that Burkett had something they would be interested in? Maybe the same person who gave Burkett the memos.

[DoYouEverWonder]

25. How did CBS even know to go to Burkett

and that he had the memos? Up until March, Burkett had talked about seeing the memos in the garbage, but he always claimed that he did not take the originals or make copies.

Then all of a sudden someone passes him questionable copies, and CBS gets wind and starts putting the pressure on him to turn them over to them?

Something stinks here?


Edit: oops hadn't read the post below, before I posted this. Seems we're on the same track?

[bain_sidhe]

21. Another point to ponder...

**edit: Oh, dear, Girl Gone Mad beat me to the "post" button! So, this is a reiteration of her question, with a link to the relevant article.)**

Since your deduction is predicated on accepting Burkett's account of how he got the memos, there's another mystery to wonder about in his story as reported in the NY Sun (http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getmailfiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/09/21&ID=Ar00102)

Mr. Van Os said Mr. Burkett has repeatedly maintained to him that he did not contact reporters or any political activists about these memos.

“He kept this under lock and key,” the lawyer said.

Asked about Mr. Burkett’s e-mail offers to help the Kerry campaign evaluate Mr. Bush’s Air National Guard service — reported by the Washington Post last week— Mr. Van Os said the offer was only to “help construct a President Bush service timeline” and “had nothing to do with the memos he had.” He said the Kerry campaign did not respond to Mr. Burkett’s offer.

In late May, however, Mr. Burkett began getting calls inquiring about the memos from “national newspapers and TV,” said Mr. Van Os. The lawyer said Mr. Burkett told the reporters that he declined to comment or said he knew nothing about the documents.

If Burkett told no one he had the documents, then presumably the only people who knew he had them were himself, "Lucy Ramirez" and the unknown man who delivered them. How, then, did the news organizations know to call Burkett about these documents? Perhaps someone at the news organizations (including CBS's Mapes, of course) should be queried about who told them to call Burkett about the documents?

[Dems Will Win]

24. I SAY! YOU HAVE ALL SOMETHING THERE!

This will require some violin playing.

Ah! Mozart's Eine Kleine Nachtmusic! My favorite...

[Dems Will Win]

26. Ah, yes! A little night music in the morning to inspire the mind!

Yes, there is little doubt!

I dare say, dear DU! My coat! My hat! My pipe! My magnifying glass!

It's off to CBS, to question the lovely Miss Mary Mapes!

Who did call her?!?!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

33. And Mapes has been working on this story for the last 5 years

according to executives at CBS. Does that mean that the memos have been out there for 5 years instead of the few months that Burkett claims?

[Dems Will Win]

34. Not at all, my dear aint! You see, the Barnes story surfaced before the

200 election and she didn't go with it then. Burkett only got the forgeries several months ago.

Ah! ARRIVED at CBS to look for clues and phone records!



Dems Will and Dr. H20 Man join the investigation at CBS.

[Blue_Roses]

35. what the hell is up with the washington times?

they are trying to tie Kerry into this with the ad Fortunate Son and Lockhart. This is bullshit.

[enki23]

37. sounds like bullshit, i'm afraid to say

"burn the originals" because some mysterious stranger told you to? that would be colossally stupid.

[David Zephyr]

38. Sounds More Than Plausible, Dems Will Win

n/t

[Dems Will Win]

39. Thank you, old chap!

I'll be calling everyone into the parlor soon.

[Dems Will Win]

40. kick