Dubya is going to massacre Kerry in the debates.

[trumad]

He's a terrifc debator and should really give it to JK. I'm worrie about this.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

1. He is in fact, the greatest debater since Thomas Jefferson.

I am struck with an unshakeable terror.

[ollie3]

61. Bush will have lower expectations again, but Kerry will win anyway

Bush "won" previous debates because everyone was surprised he didn't look like the total idiot he was portrayed to be. It's not that he said anything profound, he didn't have to! The expectations were so low, all he had to do was show up to do better than expectations, while Gore had to do better to meet his expectations.

Bush set us up, here, folks. He says he is the master of low expectations. He said people misunderestimate him. I'm not sure he is as stupid as he makes himself out to be. Perhaps it is all a folksy way of "relating to folks" while keeping his expectations, or misunerestimations, low.

I don't have much hope that the media will be fair in the debates. They will (like they did during the primary debates) totally ignore the issues discussed and go right in to discussing who "won" and....no surprise here....the bias is gonna be pro-Bush. Judy Woodruff will be in ecstacy fawning over Bush like always.....what can stop this?

But I see some hope here nonetheless. Kerry, as the challenger, does not have to "win" the debates on points (although he will). Kerry mainly has to look "presidential" and inspire trust. Right now, many folks are not that keen on Bush but they don't know enough about Kerry to feel comfortable with him as an alternative. If Kerry does well enough to make them comfortable with him, let them trust him...then Kerry wins....regardless of what the spin-meisters will say. It's as simple as that. People have to get to know Kerry enough to trust him as an alternative to Dipstick.

Judging from the past week, Kerry is going to do just fine.

[okieinpain]

67. yeah, fineman and imus was setting setting this shit This

morning. kerry has win every single point, and well little georgie weorgie just has to show up and not shit his pants.

[Carla in Ca]

74. The repugs just love lowering the threshold right before the

debates and everybody knows it. Someone indeed did it yesterday..I think Wolfowitz. When a pattern emerges, like this one, it should be a talking point.

[TankLV]

100. This is the "Big Time" goddamit! This is for REAL!

There is no room for "low expectations" - from ANYBODY - but especially the idiot pResident we had forced upon us!

He's proven he's screwed everything up already! This is no "dress rehearsal".

How can ANYONE get away with even THINKING that let alone saying it aloud?!

I'm put in charge of a company, and I don't screw up as bad as I could and the building fails and many are killed - too bad - give me another chance? I don't think so! So how come this idiotic thinking is permitted for THE MOST POWERFUL POSITION ON EARTh?!

This make me so gaddamn mad - that is the main reason I'd NEVER give bunkerboy a psss on ANYTHING he could EVER do because of his miserable record of FAILURE where THOUSANDS DIED - DIED - not lost a few bucks, or lost a football game - FUCKING DIED - FOR LIES!

[MODemocrat]

73. Bush will practice his answers for weeks ahead

The moderator can only ask certain questions, and Bush will receive
them in advance. Surely, no one would believe he is that spontaneous.
Since I won't be watching the worthless debates, I'll just have to take the "media's" word for it anyway, and then, on election day, I'll get to the polls as early as possible and cast my vote for my
president, JOHN KERRY :thumbsup: :dem:

[Mojambo]

83. Jefferson really wasn't considered a great debater

Patrick Henry was considered a better spokesman in Virginia politics even though Jefferson was his intellectual superior in every way.

Maybe a parallel with what we have today

[doni_georgia]

95. That idiot, a debater?? Get real. Can't hit a curve ball.

This is where the town hall format comes in. I don't care how well he drills on that one. He's the original Triple-A power hitter of politics: he looks great in batting practice, but just throw him a curve and watch him screw himself into the ground with a huge, ugly-looking swipe that misses the ball, moves a lot of hot air, and ends with him flat on his face, knocked out by his own bat.

Which explains a lot of the mess we is in here now.

G.W. Bush???? God Lord, people, we'd be better off with G.W. Bailey!

- Mac in Ga

[Beetwasher]

2. Bush is a Masterful Debater; It's His Folksy Charm, His Mastery of the

issues and of course his steadfast faith and confidence. Kerry is definitely the underdog in the debates against someone as skilled and likeable as Bush. He better be careful because he certainly has his work cut out for him!

[trogdor]

56. Don't forget about his remarkable command of the English language.

I mean, he's another Garrison Kiehlor, I swear to God.

[skooooo]

3. I know...

Bush has lulled us into a sense of overconfidence. Earphone or not, he will perform well in the debates -- and that is going to carry a lot of weight.

:scared:

[BJ]

4. Yes, Dim-Son's a master debater.

"...I know how hard it is to put food on your family."

[yellowcanine]

41. At the least, we can all agree that he is a master bater, anyway.

[doni_georgia]

97. How could he be doing that?

He's already screwing everyone in the country... except, I would guess, for Pickle.

:puke:

Mac in Ga

[RobertSeattle]

5. I think Abraham Lincoln would even decline to debate Dubya

[DancingBear]

20. True

When confronted with either Douglass or Bush, Abe replied:

"Get Fred on the phone! I'll meet his terms! Anyone but George!"

[chookie]

32. Demosthenes too

nt

[Screaming Lord Byron]

34. King Solomon would skulk away broken in the majestic light of GWB.

For, verily, so was it written.

[flaminbats]

93. so would Douglass..

Senator Kerry had better be wary of this commanding and subduing presence known as dubyu! :wow:

[democrat in Tallahassee]

6. absofuckinglutely. I'm terrified of that silver-tongued devil

Hope Kerry makes it through ok.

[AlCzervik]

7. His command of the english language is breathtaking!

never mind his vast knowledge of foreign affairs!

[MsConduct]

8. LOL You're both kidding, right? n/t

[Media_Lies_Daily]

18. Why of course not! This is a serious forum for serious people, 24/7.

[MsConduct]

81. Thanks for......

clarifying that for me. I'll try to be more serious and focused from now on.

LOL plus tax!


Peace

[girl gone mad]

9. A master debator, indeed. n/t

[demnan]

14. Or a

masterbator - how ever you look at it.

[ET Awful]

68. Nah, he just had an extra letter. . . . he meant to say Master Debtor :)

n/t

[northzax]

10. you're right, he will

seriously, because Kerry will be held to a higher standard. If Bush gets through the debates without inadvertandly declaring war on Canada, he wins. Kerry has to explain the grand unified theory of everything and how it relates to Brown vs. Board of Education's effects on the international trade in Ghanian Goat Udders, while using only two syllable words. Bush just has to not look THAT stupid.

remember '00? Bush was declared the winner of the first debate, when anyone, and I mean Andrew Sullivan, George Will, even the conservatives, who watched it, thought he got trounced. But the liberal media picked up the spin that "bush had won" and there you go.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

11. Troll....

Bad, bad, Trumad!! :spank:

[trumad]

17. Alert me...I dare ya...

;-)

[Champion Jack]

12. Especially considering the new rules that bush has ...

no words over two syllables...

[SalParadise]

13. Not so fast...

He did pretty good in the Democratic runoff debates - I'd even say he came out on top.

I'll agree that the idiot-in-chief is not going to be the pushover that his lack of intellect would suggest, but I'm not too worried overall.

If JK can manage to stand there & listen to the chimp without laughing out loud or giving heavy sighs (like President Gore did), he should come out ok.

[Stuckinthebush]

15. His oratorical skills are matched by no living person

His uncanny ability to deflect barbs with wit and humor is legendary.

His mystifying skill in both discussing the specifics of a topic without losing sight of the bigger picture is awe inspiring to watch.

I am afraid that he will be a thoroughbred to John Kerry's pack horse.

[chookie]

40. Bush's Stallion to Mr Kerry's Eohippus

Verily, without even uttering a single word, George W's noble bearing will suck the oxygen out of Kerry's lungs and have him flip-flopping on the floor with a big fish, gasping for air. It will be humiliating.

Prediction: bin Laden will phone up during the debates and surrender. The Iraqi insurgency will all simultaneously commit suicide. Tyrants around the planet will fall, and freedom will rise, and the people will rejoice.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

16. I'm just impressed with his ability to apply...

...nicknames to everyone with whom has contact.

Amazing!!

[zulchzulu]

19. Yeah....sure

Chimpy's commanding knowledge of the World and his hypnotizing style of speaking multiple languages in the same sentence will prove too much for ANYONE.

No one can even stand close to this genius, this god, this stud that we affectionately call....Chimpy.

[msturgis524]

21. He has proved how good he is in all the press conferences right?

[cheshire]

22. To bad it would look bad to get out of them, everyone one loves *'s style

He's so down home and charming.

[Worst Username Ever]

23. Is Bush more liek Churchill or Theodore Roosevelt?

I have trouble discerning him from either!

[chookie]

35. No

They are but mortals.

I have trouble telling Dubya apart from God.

In fact, I think he is God.

[Kal Belgarion]

48. Neither. He reminds me more of Socrates

[mac56]

24. He's never lost a debate yet.

He's truly a force to be reckoned with. If Kerry isn't reduced to a tearful quivering heap at the end, Bush will have failed.

[terrya]

25. Bush's debating skills are worthy of the Oxford Debating Society.

He's that good. I don't mind telling you, I'm scared about the debates. Kerry doesn't know who he's up against.

[doni_georgia]

98. I'll concede the point on the Oxford Debating Society - IF...

....you can offer me ironclad proof that someone didn't pave a four-lane highway for him to get in and line it with flower petals to boot. What has that asshole ever gotten in his life that someone else didn't giftwrap for him? Nothing. He hasn't earned jack. He's a failed businessman, period. Does anyone imagine Bush* would have been even a tenth as successful as, say, John Edwards, given the same starting line? No way.

The fact is, if his name had been George W. Smith, he'd probably be some jerkoff mid-level manager at some corporation, working in some out-of-the-way office where he could do as little harm as possible (assuming that little problem with the bottle wouldn't have gotten him ass-canned). Guys like him only succeed with backing, and where the backing ends, there also ends the advancement. He may have some intelligence, but he's far too intellectually lazy and far too prone to overconfidence to be a successful businessman. And he has this problem with reality.

In short - the Dictator Has No Clothes.

Mac in Ga

[LiberalEsto]

26. "Poor George"

"Poor George -- born with a silver foot in his mouth" -- former Texas Governor Ann Richards.

[colgate]

33. Poor George

Poor George has mastered the art of using "just plain folks" sound-bites, whether or not they answer (or in fact have anything to do with) the question. He's not a skilled debater as such, but is a consummate purveyor of the NASCAR-level idiocy that passes for intellectual thought now. Given that the debates really aren't debates, in that the candidates can't question each other, he is perfectly capable of once again getting away with the canned sound bites while Kerry struggles with the complexity of real issues. Kerry is going to have to be really aggressive and sharp to win these. Let's hope he does!:nuke:

[newyawker99]

69. Hi colgate!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Southsideirish]

27. In the history of all debaters - its well known Bush has no equal.

[LoZoccolo]

28. What'll we do...what'll we do...

...this question runs around my mind and I don't know how to answer it. :scared:

[Oddman]

29. He is a Master Debater

and his knowledge will spew into America's living rooms.

[BiggJawn]

57. Indeed! A MASTERdeBATOR!

What a "SPUNKY" guy, This is no WHACK-JOB or JERK-OFF, now, this is dead-fast leadership! He has his HAND on the LEVER!

OK, I'm spent....

[demokatgurrl]

89. EEEEWWWWWW! (the picture). n/t

[chookie]

30. My bowels have turned to water, but it will be a beautiful thing

God's Other Begotten Son is verily the Philosopher King of all the ages, wise, kind and handsome. His words, though sweet as honey and of cunning craft, reveal profound truths. He will answer each question with wit and grace.

Kerry will only to be able to stand there, paralyzed with awe. His abundant hair will stand on end, and his teeth will chatter and shatter before the cameras as he comes face to face with our lord Dubya.

I predict that he, too, will succumb to the spell that all Americans feel -- the love and admiration of George W Bush that unites us all, rich and poor, Jew and gentile, terrorist and victim, dog and cat -- and will fall to his knees and humbly beg to kiss His holy ass and swear eternal fealty and offer all the sons and daughters of America for sacrifice unto Him.

[izzie]

31. And one does not have to think with him. Saves time.

With Kerry one has to think.

[goodhue]

36. enough already

It's not our expectations that need lowering.

[izzie]

44. He really will do fine as he did last time. People really do seem to like

easy way he has about him. I do not feel at ease when he speaks but you hear people say, people like it, so their must be some truth in it.

[skypilot]

37. Be careful.

Someone else started a thread like this one today and I was amazed that there were people who thought he was serious.

[mac56]

43. He is serious!

Our expectations for Bush should be good and high. Nothing else is appropriate.

[quaoar]

38. Bush will mop the floor with Kerry

He will also demonstrate his ability to debate and chew gum at the same time.

[laruemtt]

39. he has the entire world enthralled -

we are truly fortunate to have him as our leader.

[hiphopnation]

42. he's going to

wing snotty boogers at Kerry.

:freak:

[Merrick]

45. Bush debated the crap out of a whole bowl of Rice Krispies once -

Made a mockery of their Snap Crackle Pop argument. Turned them to mush in less than ten minutes.

Another time he convinced a pile of flour, some eggs and sugar that'd been left out on the counter to turn into a cake overnight - merely with the persuasive power of his words!

and the cake was delicious.
Now I've gone and made myself hungry.

[Itchinjim]

46. Cicero himself....

Would wilt before the oratorical mastery of GWB!

[spanone]

47. Beat him like a bad stepchild. Slap him silly.

[MallRat]

49. It's not even going to be close.

Kerry has a history of being terribly unprepared for debates. And Bush has never lost a single one.

I think Kerry ought to be happy if he still has a pulse after the first two debates.

(at least, this is what I'm telling anyone who'll listen...)

-MR

[zulchzulu]

50. Polls showed that Al Gore WON the 1st debate in 2000

This bullshit that Chimpy never lost a debate is garbage.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/DEBATE_poll001003.html

http://www.pollingreport.com/white.htm

[mac56]

53. Well, of course - according to the liberal media!

In the hearts of America, Bush was the winner!

[troubleinwinter]

51. Chimpy sure didn't impress the UN

He's a broken record. He has about four sentences that he has been preprogramed to spew. He blows it out his hat.

In response to The National Intelligence Report predicting the BEST case in Iraq is "tenuous stability", worst case "civil war". His response was:

".. the Iraquis are defying the dire predictions of a lot of people by moving toward democracy. I'm pleased with the progress. It's hard because some in Iraq want to disprut the election and disrupt the march to democracy, which should speak to their fear of freedom."

The "dire predictions" are from his own National Intelligence annalysis, which he simply blew off.

Debate THIS point, Chimp: You are a fool.

[emulatorloo]

52. I heard the UN was CAPTIVATED! by him, and aid is forthcoming

to Iraq from all countries. . .why apparently the King of France himself apologized for being recalcitrant about that whole invasion thing.

This convinces me even more that he is going to absolutely savage Kerry in the debates with his quickness and articulateness. Kerry is just not up to this.

[Blaze Diem]

58. He's Got The You & Me Brothers...In His Hands....

He's got the whole world, in his hands he's got the whole wide world..la la la la

[chookie]

54. What UN speech were YOU watching in WHAT parallel universe?

I watched it unedited on C-Span -- and every UN man jack of them were either on their feet wildly cheering his every word and gesture, or prostrate before him, humbly worshipping him and weeping with joy.

True -- some were paralyzed with sheer awe and had their pants full of poo and just sat there frozen, but only CBS Newss Dan Rather showed those.

[BootinUp]

55. Women will scream with envy

It'll be like Elvis in the 60's.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

60. They'll be throwing their panties at him.

Just like Tom Jones, only with extra debate skills.

[chookie]

62. Please, Everyone!

Be sure to put plastic or rubber sheeting down on the seat you will be watching the debates on.

I'm going to tie my smelling salts around my head to keep from fainting.

[Donkeyboy75]

63. Oh, Tom Jones is a fantastic debater.

Didn't you ever see the DonkeyBoy-Jones debates of the late sixties?

I thought I had a chance, but the stars weren't in my favor. The topic was "To be loved by anyone: usual or unusual?"

[mac56]

65. ROFLMAO!

Coffee all over my monitor.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

70. Post of the day.

[crispini]

103. oh, i've got tears of laughter rolling down my face...

[blondeatlast]

88. And "adult protection." nt

[Emboldened Chimp]

59. Bush = Churchill, FDR and Lincoln rolled into one

'nuff said.

[Myrina]

64. I wish I had Bush's publickal speakiferousability

... because I too want to be Dictator when I grow up.
My daddy said I could.

:freak:

[ShaneGR]

66. GWB, Greatest Debator....... EVER

He is the second coming of Jesus.... bow down!

[JerseygirlCT]

72. LOL. I looked quickly and was sure your post said

Greatest Dictator Ever...

Gee, wonder where that came from?

[Oddman]

77. It makes sense that a Dictator would be a

Master Debater


George Bush our MASTERdeBATER

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

71. I understand Bush's master's thesis was on Cicero

He would probably tear Socrateez a new asshole if the old Greek bugger could get riz from the ded

[LibertyorDeath]

75. Hopefully he will expand on his OBGYN love sharing theory

Should be good :)

[Cocoa]

76. the debate is Bush's to lose

it will be a huge defeat for Bush if he doesn't destroy Kerry.

[Randers]

78. fool me er once er fool me again you fools

:)

[Selwynn]

79. Well, despite the jokes of others, I think Bush will "win" the debates

The media will act as though if Bush manages to simply walk on stage without falling, he will have "greatly exceeded expectations and carried himself well." They will also paint Kerry as mean and arrogant - basically using his intellect and grasp of the issues against him.

--Bush speaks the language of the majority of Americans: that language is uninformed, unaware, ignorant, cliche aggressive, bully-like, stubborn bullshit. The majority of America is under-educated and under-informed and unaware (and/or unconcerned) about it. This majority likes people that make them feel good about the ignorance, not people that remind them that they are ignorant. It takes a fellow ignoramus to do that. As stupid as this is, most Americans don't like the idea of being led by someone who is smarter than they are. :wtf:

--This ignorance manifests itself in attitudes that are bent toward arrogance - unilateralism, aggression, and preemption are all things that are fine to the arrogant and aggressive attitudes of a majority of Americans (small majority though it may be - I hope). There is a very large number of people who see everything in black and white - who literally think you are either "with us" or with the "terrorists" and we should, can and will kick your ass if you're not with us. God Bless America.

--For four years now, this administration has done a masterful job of keeping large numbers of the public - perhaps a majority - scared shitless. Willing to sacrifice liberties, democracy, justice and humanity in the name of things we are dishonestly told make us "safe." We have seen four years of the absolute and total exploitation of our nations wounds, and it works.

--Finally, I believe however totally wrong it is - the label of "flip-flopper is going to do Kerry in, and I think Bush will capitalize on it in the debates. Kerry will respond defensively, instead of counter-attacking, which will only make the label look like it fits even more (even though it doesn't) and I think that attack will be the main thing that does him in.

My thoughts,
Sel

[johnnyrocket]

80. Bush repertoire, grasp of the facts, eloquence, and...

ability to think on his feet will incinerate Kerry into little pieces.

Be very afraid.

[Ilsa]

82. Have you seen those commercials where someone says

the wrong thing and then they quickly say "Thank you" (but not for anything) to distract from the flub, and it works?

I wonder if Bush will stop his remarks in order to audibly pray in the middle of a question. I wouldn't put it past him to pull a stunt like that.

[kittykitty]

84. If yesterdays answer to the question about the June CIA report

is any indication, "uhhhhh, uhhhhh, mmm, uuuuuuh, it was uuuuh, just speculation". He'll rack up all the points!

[Bluebear]

85. Bush is a weapon of mass debating. It is his to lose.

Bush can hold his own. I hope Kerry can keep up with him.

[KansDem]

86. Could Kerry, you know, lower expectations...?

You know, get them sooo low that all he has to do is show up and utter his name to be declared the winner by the media?

You know, sooooo low?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

87. do no misunderestimate....wait i mean fool him once

he will not be fooled the third time...etc

[chaska]

90. We should raise a stink about the format.

I don't know what the format will be or even when the debates are scheduled (I've been camping), but I know these will not be real debates. We should demand a REAL DEBATE.

It's a good way to get the focus away from Bush's win through lowered expectations or "likeability", and it's a real issue.

[LSK]

91. LOL thats a good one, did you hear the one about....

[depakid]

92. I don't remember the last time I saw so much sarcasm

on a single thread.

[Oddman]

94. We are loved all over the world!

Things are going great in Iraq!

Our economy is going nucular!

I know where I stand!


George Bush our MASTERdeBATER

What on earth is my hand doing? Bad hand - bad!

[spanone]

96. T-R-O-U-N-C-E

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

99. He wrote his honors thesis on Cicero's orations

And you should hear him straight gangsta rap!

He is the god of debate... Shrub would tear old Socrates a new asshole! Kerry must be shaking in his boots.

[Digit]

101. Actually, it appears he is in a brain fart....

At least from where I see it.

[Dees]

102. Bu$h Is the finest debater of all time. Kerry dare to show up.

Bu$h will beat him like a rug. Kerry kows absolutely nothing and W. should walk away a huge victor. Bu$h is in command of all facts and knowledge.

[Strawman]

104. Bush's debate style: "In Texas, they call it..."

sucking.

I'd give him a 4-6 (any debate people out there? :))

[trumad]

105. Kick

[GetaKungFuGrip]

106. Can't wait to see Dubya...

...make a little Texas Toast out of the "Masshole" during the debates.
Also looking forward to the flock of winged monkies curiously scheduled to launch out my crack on debate evenings, even though I seem to feel fine????

[demwing]

107. bush rips his opponents to shreds. Its sad really

and 4 years of access to Whitehouse intelligence has only sharpened his skill

Kerry is in serious trouble. :scared:

[Kathy in Cambridge]

108. Dubya is our Winston Churchill

:loveya:

:puke: