We're fighting dirty now, using scare tactics, and I like it

[Doosh]

You'd better believe this is the result of the campaign overhaul, Kerry is finally getting results and traction. We're on message and taking the fight right to the GOP

Prominent Dems(Dean, Edwards, Mcauliffe) are whispering the word "draft". There is no better way to get young people, soccer moms, pretty much everybody to vote for you. Scare them into thinking Bush, this great protector of America, will draft YOUR kids into fighting HIS WAR.

this is more devastating than the Cheney/Hastert comments. middle class families in the midwest fear the draft more than they do terra, we just need to keep mentioning it until it becomes a roar. until everybody becomes wary of it. They'll think, "Hey I don't really mind this war........unless of course my kids have to fight" If there is they have even a SLIGHT SUSPICION that Bush might draft there children, forget it, Kerry in a landslide.

"4 more years and he'll draft your kids"

beat it into there heads, make it a bigtime talking point.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. You are on my "prefered posters list"!

I like the way you think. We need to deal with the enemy the way that they "deal" with us.

Scare em' if it gets us the WH in November!!!

:kick:

[Shoeempress]

2. Let's stop whispering and start yelling from Rooftops. DRAFT.

Not only men either, we are talking women too. That should scare the crap out of them, as well it should. No one should be going to Iraq.

[sniffa]

3. i've been on vacation

i missed the draft whispers - who's been saying it? any media picking it up?

[Demit]

12. There was a thread here on Sat. about plans for Combat AND Skills Draft...

Here's some of what I copied:

Issue Paper Document outlining plans for a COMBAT DRAFT AND NEW SKILLS DRAFT by Spring 2005

The Issue Paper document was revealed through the Freedom of Information Act by Seattle Post Intelligencer reporter Eric Rosenberg, who wrote a partial explanation of it printed May 1, 2004.

PRINT THE PDF: http://somnamblst.tripod.com/draftalert.pdf

...the SSS is currently “designing procedures” for the implementation of a “Skills Draft” and had met on it with Deputy Undersecretaries at the Defense Department. This draft would change the mission of the Selective Service and require “virtually every young American”, male and female ages 18-34, to register for the Skills Draft and list all the occupations they are proficient in to fill labor shortages throughout the government.

The Pentagon is suffering from labor shortages. Recently, the Ready Reserve was called up to fill 5,600 jobs in the Armed Forces: “20% of the call-ups are truck drivers, 12% are supply specialists who can use a computer to track supplies, 10% are Humvee mechanics, 7% are administrative specialists and 6% are combat engineers” (USA Today, August 8, 2004).

Although Congress would have to approve new legislation to create a Skills Draft or reinstate the combat draft, Family Circle reported in its July 13 issue that Karl Rove has polled GOP members of Congress in September 2002 to see if they would support reinstatement. The Republicans said they would vote for the draft. While Bush and the Republicans are keeping the return of the draft and the new skills draft as quiet as possible, many anti-draft organizations have recently begun warning of a “Coming New Draft”. (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/171522_draft01.h... )

Rosenberg’s article was edited and some key points about the document were omitted. For a full explanation, and links to the document itself:
http://blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf

[Southsideirish]

4. Some of us here were telling him to do that months ago - yet

we were told to shut up and be loyal. Sheesh!!!

[Doosh]

7. now is the right time

this is really the only time we can run with the issue, 1 1/2 months before the election we can throw out enough truths, and half truths, and Bush doesn't have enough time to thoroughly diffuse the issue. Now it doesn't matter how Bush responds, only 50 days left or whatever it is, there will be enough doubt planted in the voters heads and Rove doesn't have time to sort it all out and reassure them.

[John_H]

5. i wish those whispers would reach my ears...

[Doosh]

6. it's just started really

Edwards mentioned it a few days ago, now Dean is talking about it. There was the issue of the draft boards being reorganized

[jonnyblitz]

8. I have been bookmarking all the threads here at DU and

collecting info on this possible upcoming draft. I have a few DUMBASS relatives who plan to vote for Bush who are ,either of draft age or have kids who are or will be (depending on how long this shit goes on), who sing a different tune if its them or their kids who have to go fight and possibly die for a lie.

[spotbird]

9. The prominent Democrats should be SCREAMING draft.

Why Democrats don't promote truthful issues is beyond me.

[Southern Patriot]

10. Draft, draft, DRAFT!

Where are our talking heads? We need to blitz the talk shows and news media like Paul Revere alerting the colonists.

It's no good if Kerry just mentions it a few times. Edwards has to pound it in NATIONAL media interviews. We need a dozen surrogates like Rahm Emmanuel, Hilary Clinton, Harold Ford and other national figures to repeat the mantra: Bush wants your kids for his war.

I'm wondering if Bob Novak's column saying that the Bush Administration is considering pulling out of Iraq is meant to give hope to an evidently hopeless situation. Not coincidentally it would cut the ground out from under Kerry.

[ClassWarrior]

11. 23 excuses for invading Iraq.

And the draft. Repeat often...

[Flailey]

23. specifics?

23 sounds like a specific number -- is there a link to a list of the 23?

[ClassWarrior]

24. Kerry mentioned the number in this morning's speech.

Link to study here: http://www.pol.uiuc.edu/news/largio.htm

23.

[npincus]

13. you are so right...

I have done 2 threaeds advocating the same and got my tushie spanked.

Bush 04 = Draft 05

[RetroLounge]

35. Bush 04 = Draft 05

Damn, that is a great sign and sticker topic.

Bush 04 = Draft 05

RL

[Darby]

14. Here's the flyer to circulate - "Draft Alert" ...with details...

See the one titled "Draft Alert" (but they are all good):

http://somnamblst.tripod.com /

To get these out to college/universities near you:

1. Do it yourself - go to campus with a stack of flyers and some friends and place them on the windshields of students' cars. Post in student union if allowed.

AND/OR

2. CONTACT THE STUDENT DEMOCRATIC GROUP ON CAMPUS. Should be easy to find this info but if you can't find it then just call the main number at the univiersity. Call - introduce yourself - copy a few dozen flyers and send to them and ask them to start putting them out. Black and white copies are cheap.

[Doosh]

15. that's a good one

I got to start circulating them

[ArkDem]

16. Yes, I have always said that the best way to defeat your enemy

is to become him.

[grace0418]

17. Yeah I want to see more about the draft

covered in the media. Even people I know who are super liberal haven't heard about the info that the Seattle paper got through the freedome of information act. The draft is going to scare the hell out of people. Especially when it could be any man or WOMAN between, what was it, 17-34? I'm certainly glad to be turning 35 in April, but it leaves a lot of my friends and loved ones open. If any of them get drafted, I am going open up a can, I kid you not.

[Name removed]

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[blondeatlast]

25. Some of us remember Vietnam; we don't need no stinking lessons--

our brothers were called up.

Welcome to Du; have a looooooong and fruitful stay.

[Eurobabe]

19. I've been saying it's getting drafty

to ANYONE under 35. They all shit bricks.

"Under the bill, the draft would apply to men and women ages 18 to 26, the 20-year-olds being taken first, with exemptions to allow people to graduate from high school. But college students would have to serve, unlike during the Vietnam War, when attending college was a stay-home pass." http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/u_s__draft.html

[theKnave]

27. Umm... you did read the article, right?

HR-163 was sponsored only by Dems! Why are they doing this? We can't be blaming the repukes for calling for a draft when our Dems are the one introducing the draft legislation!

well, yeah, actually we can. ;-)

[Bake]

20. Hell yeah! I'm lovin' it!

BUSH WILL DRAFT YOUR SONS ***AND*** DAUGHTERS!!!

I think it's a winner.

Bake

[Julien Sorel]

21. This isn't dirty.

This is just plain old campaigning.

[ClassWarrior]

22. True dat.

We knew it wouldn't be a cakewalk.

[theKnave]

26. It may backfire...

since HR-163 ( http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.163: ) is the current bill in the House that deals with re-instating the draft as well as a mandatory national service, and the key sponsor/author is Charles Rangel, D-NY, and co-sponsored by 14 House Democrats. The repukes could just blame dems for any draft idea.

the senate version S-89 ( http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.89: ) was fronted by Senator Ernest Hollings, D-SC.

rePukes just have to point to the Dems and say, "They're the ones calling for the draft, not us."

EDIT: to make the links work, include the ":" at the end, without the whitespace (i.e.: /query/z?c108:H.R.163: ). for some reason, the forum code is parsing out the final ":" from the url.

[Ladyhawk]

30. Hmmmm...that's not good.

I wasn't aware that Dems backed this. Shame on Hollings!

[oasis]

33. Bush is the self proclaimed "War President", nuff said.

[digno dave]

28. Me likes!!!

[Ladyhawk]

29. I so agree.

I am SO GODDAMN SICK of Dems just taking the abuse. I went to a Democratic Club party a few days ago and had a workshop on how not to be negative. "Bush bashing," said the speaker, "does not work."

Oh? So, just sitting there and taking it on the chin...that works, does it?

She stressed a positive message and turning everything back to a message of values. Yeah, OK. That worked so well for Gore. Gore almost lost!

[oasis]

31. No draft needed, Freepers will galdly sign up to fight for Halliburton

profits and the PNAC dream of Pax Americana.

[Mr_Spock]

32. I like the way you put that - I think you are right. Not my kid!!

Good angle because it's clear the DRAFT is in the works.

[Libertarian79]

34. Doesn't everyone realize that

the only legislators actively pushing for a draft are Rep. Rangel of NY (Bill HR.163) and Sen. Hollings of SC(Bill S.89)?
Both have bills proposed to do this and both are Dems, not Repubs.
No Repub has cosponsored the bills or claims to support them in any way.

If you guys start screaming draft and the story comes out that it's Dem legislators, not Repubs, that have proposed legislation to that effect, you will look like hypocrites.
It will hurt the Dems to use scare tactics to get people to vote for Dems that are actually proposing the legislation used in the scare tactic.
If "draft" becomes a big story then it will be investigated as to what bills are in play...only the Dem bills.
It will not help Kerry like you think it will.
The only places describing Bush or Repubs as wanting a draft are either known for liberal bias or rumor mills. No one takes them too seriously unless they see it on TV and thats just the way it is.