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Lakerstan Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:32 AM
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Speech on NOW!
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:32 AM
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1. Very, very warm reception!!
Edited on Mon Sep-20-04 09:33 AM by madmax
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Lakerstan Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:36 AM
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2. Now on CNN nt
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:39 AM
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5. MSGOP, too
wonder how long they'll stick with it

got it online here. they'll probably keep it

talking about "destroying" the terra ists

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abrock Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:46 AM
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11. MSNBC link please!
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:57 AM
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46. cable TV....dunno if it's online
sorry

if you go to msnbc.com, they'll have some sort of link to it, if they carry it online
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:20 AM
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125. Fucking awesome! He is putting the smack down on the chimp!
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:38 AM
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3. thanks....he's so TINY!
I have trouble listening to him most of the time

hope he gets good and MAD!!!!

start RIPPING these criminally insane kleptocrats

what was it he said about them being the crookedest bunch of liars, or something

how COOL would it be if he started in on THAT?
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:01 AM
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59. awesome speech
hitting all major points. Simple language so Aunt Mabel will feel safe from terra. Emphasis at all the right places, excellent. Holds attention, short sentences. He is speaking to the undecideds. Most excellent!!!
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:39 AM
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4. Sept. 11 families are with him
they were the ones who FOUGHT Bush to get the commission, I hope the whores finally stop giving Bush credit for this thing he FOUGHT to KILL. :mad:



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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:40 AM
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8. COOL....how I WISH he'd let Kristen Breitweiser give his speech for him
sorry, but that's the way I feel

he should call time out, and let Edwards sub for him

is that allowed?
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clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:40 AM
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6. I'm listening and I wish he'd get more enthusiasm in
his voice! Get people's juices flowing along with his if that's what he's about to do.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:41 AM
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9. couldn't agree more
isn't it obvious that all this is is a personality contest?

just like Jr. High

I know....I work in one

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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:49 AM
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16. Remember the last time Al Gore got "enthusiastic"?
The media trashed him for going overboard and the Rethugs said he was crazy.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:59 AM
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49. you got it....he CAN'T win with them, no matter what
lots of threads on running against the MEDIA as much as the pugs

couldn't agree more with that; I've started threads with that premise

Kerry is simply being GORED, only worse

they've been MUCH more base; questioning his patriotism etc
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 11:12 AM
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161. and that was at NYU also
(also extremely warmly received)
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:06 AM
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74. Bullshit
He's doing great!! I'm sick of you people tearing Kerry down. Stop it.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:40 AM
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7. thank you so much. :) n/t
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:45 AM
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10. Why does Fox have a closer up shot of Kerry than the others?
?
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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:47 AM
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13. Speak truth to power....
GREAT line John!!!!! He says we owe the truth to our troops... This is good stuff...
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:49 AM
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17. Speaking truth to power is something our media has failed to do!
Give 'em hell, JK!
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:47 AM
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12. So far, it's a very good speech.
Cogent and clear.

Audience is 100% with him.

He's talking about a very serious subject.. war, people dying every day. His tone is appropriate. You don't give a rah rah speech about subjects like this.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:48 AM
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14. Great line about his dissent and "speaking truth to power"
Attacking going to war in Iraq now.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:56 AM
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41. Unlike Bush-
who apparently can't suppress a giggle when he talks of death and body bags.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:48 AM
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15. Stand up and shout right on kerry wow!
Speak truth to power wow!! I flew out of my chair and cheered, scared my dog.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:49 AM
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18. W gave 23 reasons to go to war in Iraq
Ouch!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:50 AM
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21. Only VP Cheney still insists that the world is flat
W didn't tell us over 100,000 troops would be needed for YEARS
didn't tell us he wouldn't build a coalition
didn't tell us about the costs
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:01 AM
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56. WHY didn't he start saying this FIVE MONTHS ago???????????
turn turn turn

I swear (hope) it's not too late

and a time for everything unto heaven

hope that time hasn't past

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:02 AM
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63. In 2000 14% made their decision in the last TWO DAYS
I heard that on Fox and Friends (flipping around the channels) this morning.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:18 AM
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120. do you believe anything they say?
last time I listened for more than the time it took me to click to the next channel they said a VERY biased poll, showing bad news for Kerry, was neutral

I found out later it was from a company run by this Donatelli guy, a VERY republican operative

they lie over just about EVERYTHING

there's NO way that fourteen percent are that undecided this time

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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:51 AM
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22. oh yes....
He's talking about america trusting this administration for future conflicts...that really mean something... HITTING them hard!!!!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:50 AM
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19. ZING!!
Only Vice-President Cheney insists that the earth is flat!!!
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:52 AM
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26. That was a good one. Cheney still insisting the world is flat
when it comes to a link between Saddam and 9/11.

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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:07 AM
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79. The world isn't FLAT? I'm voting democrat, those damn repthugs
keep lying to me! LOL
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abrock Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:50 AM
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20. Sigh, every time he comes on I'm unable to watch.
Last time it was because MSNBC didn't have the video, this time its because CBSNEWS video won't load, and its the only fuckin video on their entire site that won't load. ARGH!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:51 AM
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24. I'm watching off CBS webcast right now.
Edited on Mon Sep-20-04 09:52 AM by Roland99
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abrock Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:52 AM
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27. I know it works, it just doesn't work for me. Must be my router. ARGH.
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abrock Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:53 AM
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31. MSNBC link please!!
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:51 AM
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23. WOW. nt
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:54 AM
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32. This is unbelievable.
He's totally laying them out. I have NEVER seen him like this.
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:55 AM
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38. He is outright calling his a collossal failure
Using the words denial, lying, arrogance, wrong, Kerry is on fire. Tragically wrong, going against advice of his own military, over promised and underperformed, outright incompetence. Held no one accountable including himself, the only ones who lost their jobs are the ones who told the truth. * rejected help from UN at start of war
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:52 AM
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25. Strong speech; only one problem so far
Edited on Mon Sep-20-04 09:59 AM by BeyondGeography
Says "Iraq was a profound diversion" from terror war

He's right.

Then why did he vote for IWR?

More important, why did he call our dead soldiers in Iraq people who died for the cause of freedom and the war on terror?

Don't flame me, it's facts like the above that the Republicans are having a field day with, and when cited, weaken Kerry's support.

...We're on much stronger ground now: He finally explained his opposition to the Vietnam War as speaking truth to power to save lives.

Also: "We have traded a dictator for a chaos that has left us less secure."

Also: "The President has offered 23 different rationales for this war."

Regarding non-existent Iraqi links to al Qaeda: "Only Vice President Cheney continues to insist the earth is flat."

I think the "23 different rationales" line is the best. Stick with it, as in, WTF are we doing over there?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 11:20 AM
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164. .
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:52 AM
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28. "'Miscalculations' is one of the great understatements of recent...
American history"
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:53 AM
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29. Kerry on Bush: "Colossal failures of Judgment."
Whoa.

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:53 AM
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30. more
"major outside studies and even some in his own administration predicted virtually every problem that exists in Iraq today. He is in denial."
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:54 AM
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34. more
"outright incompetence"
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:54 AM
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33. "OUTRIGHT INCOMPETENCE"
Thank you!
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:54 AM
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35. "* made colossal failures in judgement and judgement is what...
we look for in a president."

A punch line, very well delivered.

Now a litany of these mistakes... "outright incompetence."

The gloves are all the way off, guys.

This is a great speech.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:55 AM
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36. Kerry is kicking MAJOR A**!!
His hitting them hard! I'm lovin' it!
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abrock Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:56 AM
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42. For the love of God I hope someone is recording this!
I've GOT TO SEE IT.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:56 AM
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43. He's picking them apart, totally DESTROYING them.
Holding nothing back.

This is it. He's going to win.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:55 AM
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37. "Lack of candor, arrogance, and outright INCOMPETENCE"
Bam!
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katmondoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:59 AM
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51. Right on
Bush is now a JOKE not a leader.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:56 AM
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39. Just called the * administration incompetent, to cheers and applause
from the audience.

Nice strong speech!

Go, Kerry, Go!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:56 AM
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40. more
"The only officials who have lost their jobs over Iraq have been the ones who told the truth."

Mentioning Gen. Shinseki....Larry Lindsey....help from UN was "stiff-armed" by Bush. Bush prohibited nations from participating in the reconstruction effort.
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:57 AM
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44. "instead of isolating terrorists...
we isolated America from the world"
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:57 AM
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45. "Rather than isolating the terrorists, we are isolated from the world."
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:58 AM
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47. more...
"We now know Iraq had no WMDs and posed NO imminent threat."


"The President's policy in Iraq took our resources away from other more important...."
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:58 AM
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48. I'm just dumbstruck. nt
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:00 AM
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52. Me too. Seriously. Body slam after body slam.
Okay, this is the part where Kerry moves in the for the kill, I guess!

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:00 AM
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55. This is where he wins.
He's gonna win.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:00 AM
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54. "Let me put it plainly-The president strategy in Iraq has NOT ...
strengthened our national security it has weakened it!"
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:01 AM
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58. "Two years ago Congress was right to give him authority to go to the UN..
but the President misused that power"
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 09:59 AM
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50. more...
Blaming bin Laden getting away on Bush using warlords in Afghanistan instead of US troops and then diverting us into Iraq.


Powell admits Iraq was not a magnet for int'l terrorists before the war.

Iraq is becoming a sanctuary for new terrorists who may one day hit the U.S.A.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:00 AM
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53. more...
"The President's policy in Iraq has not strengthened our security, it has weakened it."


Saying bin Laden is more popular than the US in several countries.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:01 AM
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57. Kerry's BEST speech to date!
He is doing a royal SMACKDOWN on the chimp and his Iraq war! AWESOME speech!
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:24 AM
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136. Yes, an awesome speech.
The right message, delivered by someone who will be the right leader for America in the world. Powerful, truthful, no punches held. YES!!!
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #136
141. why did he wait FIVE months to do it?
just curious
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:30 AM
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147. Good question but I'm still god damn glad to hear it now
Second guessing is useful to figure out what isn't working. But with Kerry now on message, I'm willing to look forward rather than question where he's been.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:39 AM
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153. point taken....but he better not LOSE!!!!!
gotta get my passport renewed......
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:02 AM
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60. more...
"This President misused that authority.

The power entrusted to the President gave him a strong hand...the idea was simple...get inspectors back in and WMDs....disarm or be disarmed.

A month before the war, if we have to act, Bush said we would plan carefully and act with allies at our side. He said military action was not unavoidable. Instead, he went purposefully, by choice, without a broad coalition."
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:02 AM
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61. Where is he speaking? n/t
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:03 AM
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65. NYU
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:09 AM
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93. Have the mother's of the soldiers been on yet?
They were supposed to be speaking with him today at NYU.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:12 AM
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106. Yes, they are there. n/t
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:04 AM
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66. At NYU in New York, eom
eom
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:12 AM
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110. Answer: about as close to Ground Zero as possible. nt
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:49 AM
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158. Oh yeah...that's right
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:02 AM
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62. with apologies to Crosby
Am E11 Am7 E11
It's been a long time coming
Am E11 Am7 E11
It's going to be a long time gone


CHORUS:

Am G6 Fmaj7 Am G6 Fmaj7
And it appears to be a long, appears to be a long
Am G6 D G/D
Appears to be a long time
D5addC G/D Am E11 Am7 E11
Yes a long, long, long, long time before the dawn


Am E11 Am7 E11 Am E11 Am7 E11
Turn any corner, hear you must hear what the people say
Am E11 Am7 E11
You know there's something that's going on around here
Am E11 Am7 E11
That surely, surely, surely won't stand the light of day ...


CHORUS


Speak out, you got to speak out against the madness
You got to speak your mind if you dare
But don't, no don't, no, try to get yourself elected
If you do you had better cut your hair, mmm ...
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:03 AM
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64. more...
"He rushed ahead without body armor for our troops.

Bush has said he'd do it all over again. How can he possibly be serious?
...

A commander-in-chief's 1st responsibility is to keep america safe"
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digno dave Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:05 AM
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68. didn't Kerry just flip flop AGAIN???
He said a couple of months ago he would have voted teh same way if he knew before what he knows now. WTF???
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #68
75. No, he didn't. He said CONGRESS did the right thing, but BUSH did
the WRONG thing.
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digno dave Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #75
81. The RNC will have fun juxtaposing this with the statement a couple of
months ago made by Kerry.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:09 AM
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86. It's the same thing.
You just have to listen to what he's saying in order to understand.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:08 AM
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85. A much better summary of what he has said before
and people thought Team Clinton wouldn't have an effect.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:06 AM
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76. Gave authority is NOT ordering the invasion. n/t
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:07 AM
Original message
What? Huh? Is Fear Factor on?
This is a great speech and if he sticks with this he will do better than he already was.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:07 AM
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82. No, he didn't.
He said he would still vote to give Bush the authority to use force in order to get the UN inspectors back in to look for WMD's. It's the right authority for a president to have in order to have leverage. Bush misused that authority by not allowing the inspectors finish the job and rushing to war.

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digno dave Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:10 AM
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94. try explaining that in a sound byte
So he is saying he would have voted to give authority but he never would have considered the authority?
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Monte Carlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:11 AM
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101. No, he didn't.
That's just hype. Kerry's had the same basic stance on Iraq and Saddam for years.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:11 AM
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103. That's why that statement is a NIGHTMARE
Edited on Mon Sep-20-04 10:16 AM by BeyondGeography
He thinks in his senatorial head that the voting public understands that he was only voting to give the President "authority" to go to war. He didn't at that time he said he'd vote the same way again qualify his statement about the IWR vote by stating clearly that IWR was not a vote to go to war and, saying what he just said, that he wouldn't have gone to war knowing what he knows now.

He limited his statement to the vote itself, which was a blunder that will haunt him the rest of the way, the strength of this speech notwithstanding.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:11 AM
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104. Kerry never said that
one of his staffers did and later the statement was retracted.

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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:45 AM
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157. Do you understand the difference between voting for war
and voting to give the President authority to wage war if necessary after all other things fail? It appears you don't have a fundamental understanding of what was voted upon.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:05 AM
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73. "How can he possibly be serious"
I wish he had stuck with the living in a fantasy world soundbite. :)
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:04 AM
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67. more...
35 to 40 countries have greater capability to build a nuclear bomb than Iraq did.

Is Bush saying we should invade them? (did he say that??)


Kerry saying our resources should be used to capture bin Laden.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #67
72. HUGE applause-Kerry smiles at someone in the crowd.
:thumbsup:
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:05 AM
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69. The next president of the United States: John Kerry.
Thank you God.

I think I'm going to fucking cry.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:05 AM
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70. more...
"The President's insistance that he would do it over again is a clear statement....John Kerry is the choice for a safer America."
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:05 AM
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71. That's the choice that makes America safer.
Wooooo!
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:09 AM
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90. Stubborn incompetence
making the war more difficult everyday by stubborn incompetence. Kerry is SLSMMING and SLSMMING hard. He not only took off the gloves, this speech seems to me to be the winner takes all turn in the election.
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Riptide Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:06 AM
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77. Called it "stubborn incompetence" about staying on the road that is
failing in Iraq.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:07 AM
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78. more...
Edited on Mon Sep-20-04 10:07 AM by Roland99
If Bush is re-elected, he'll repeat the same mistakes.

Iraq is a mess but we cannot just throw up our hands. We cannot afford Iraq to....


"I have set out a specific set of recommendations from Day 1...steps on how we should not and how we should proceed."

"The administration went its own way....this is stubborn incompetence."



"we must act with urgency...Chuck Hagel said we are in deep trouble in Iraq"
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abrock Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:07 AM
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80. HOLY SHIT!
I mean, GOOD GOD, I KNEW THIS GUY WAS A CLOSER, BUT MY GOD!
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:08 AM
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83. So when does he get to the 4 pt plan?
please report it. :)
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:11 AM
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100. Part of it-$$$ let other countries "have a share of Iraq's future"
It was all about the money the whole time. Only Blair was stupid enough to send troops without getting a hand in the money bag.

Kerry is saying that he will let others bid and not lock everyone out for Halliburton.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:14 AM
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116. The 4 point plan:
1. Get international help... this week!
2. Train Iraqi security forces.
3. Conduct effective reconstruction with tangible benefits to Iraqis, ie jobs.
4. Conduct elections.

But you have to hear him deliver this... masterful.... slamming * at every turn, showing how * lies.

When I heard the plan, as summarized above, I was disappointed. But hearing him deliver it... it is very impressive.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:18 AM
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121. This is fine, basically what I wanted,
castration of *, followed by a simple plan without the kind of "new" info that would give Bush any ammo.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:08 AM
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84. Wow...CNN's helping him out with an "overhead presentation"
kind of thing.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:10 AM
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95. presentation of what??
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:12 AM
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111. They have an outline of his 4-point plan that they're putting up...
That's EXTREMELY helpful for Kerry- it simplifies his ideas.
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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:12 AM
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108. that's pretty funny...
I can't wait to see how they spin this... Maybe they'll use the "I did vote for the 87 billion..." line out again...that's all they have...

Kerry is a NEW man...holy crap!!!
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mbali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:09 AM
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87. Kerry's Prepared Remarks
Speech at New York University
Remarks of John Kerry

September 20, 2004


For Immediate Release

New York, NY - I am honored to be here at New York University -- one of the great urban universities, not just in New York, but in the world. You have set a high standard for global dialogue and I hope to live up to that tradition today.

This election is about choices. The most important choices a President makes are about protecting America… at home and around the world. A president’s first obligation is to make America safer, stronger and truer to our ideals.

Only a few blocks from here, three years ago, the events of September 11 reminded every American of that obligation. That day brought to our shores the defining struggle of our times: the struggle between freedom and radical fundamentalism. And it made clear that our most important task is to fight… and to win… the war on terrorism.

With us today is a remarkable group of women who lost loved ones on September 11th … and whose support I am honored to have. Not only did they suffer an unbearable loss – they helped us learn the lessons of that terrible time by insisting on the creation of the 9/11 Commission. I ask them to stand. And I thank them on behalf of our country -- and I pledge to them and to you that I will implement the 9-11 recommendations.

In fighting the war on terrorism, my principles are straight forward. The terrorists are beyond reason. We must destroy them. As president, I will do whatever it takes, as long as it takes, to defeat our enemies. But billions of people around the world yearning for a better life are open to America’s ideals. We must reach them.

To win, America must be strong. And America must be smart. The greatest threat we face is the possibility Al Qaeda or other terrorists will get their hands on a nuclear weapon.

To prevent that from happening, we must call on the totality of America’s strength. Strong alliances, to help us stop the world’s most lethal weapons from falling into the most dangerous hands. A powerful military, transformed to meet the new threats of terrorism and the spread of weapons of mass destruction. And all of America’s power – our diplomacy, our intelligence system, our economic power, the appeal of our values – each of which is critical to making America more secure and preventing a new generation of terrorists from emerging.

National security is a central issue in this campaign. We owe it to the American people to have a real debate about the choices President Bush has made… and the choices I would make… to fight and win the war on terror.

That means we must have a great honest national debate on Iraq. The President claims it is the centerpiece of his war on terror. In fact, Iraq was a profound diversion from that war and the battle against our greatest enemy, Osama bin Laden and the terrorists. Invading Iraq has created a crisis of historic proportions and, if we do not change course, there is the prospect of a war with no end in sight.

This month, we passed a cruel milestone: more than 1,000 Americans lost in Iraq. Their sacrifice reminds us that Iraq remains, overwhelmingly, an American burden. Nearly 90 percent of the troops – and nearly 90 percent of the casualties – are American. Despite the President’s claims, this is not a grand coalition.

Our troops have served with extraordinary bravery, skill and resolve. Their service humbles all of us. When I speak to them… when I look into the eyes of their families, I know this: we owe them the truth about what we have asked them to do… and what is still to be done.

In June, the President declared, “The Iraqi people have their country back.” Just last week, he told us: “This country is headed toward democracy… Freedom is on the march.”

But the administration’s own official intelligence estimate, given to the President last July, tells a very different story.

According to press reports, the intelligence estimate totally contradicts what the President is saying to the American people.

So do the facts on the ground.

Security is deteriorating, for us and for the Iraqis.

42 Americans died in Iraq in June -- the month before the handover. But 54 died in July…66 in August… and already 54 halfway through September.

And more than 1,100 Americans were wounded in August – more than in any other month since the invasion.

We are fighting a growing insurgency in an ever widening war-zone. In March, insurgents attacked our forces 700 times. In August, they attacked 2,700 times – a 400% increase.

Falluja…Ramadi… Samarra … even parts of Baghdad – are now “no go zones”… breeding grounds for terrorists who are free to plot and launch attacks against our soldiers. The radical Shi’a cleric, Moktada al-Sadr, who’s accused of complicity in the murder of Americans, holds more sway in the suburbs of Baghdad.

Violence against Iraqis… from bombings to kidnappings to intimidation … is on the rise.

Basic living conditions are also deteriorating.

Residents of Baghdad are suffering electricity blackouts lasting up to 14 hours a day.

Raw sewage fills the streets, rising above the hubcaps of our Humvees. Children wade through garbage on their way to school.

Unemployment is over 50 percent. Insurgents are able to find plenty of people willing to take $150 for tossing grenades at passing U.S. convoys.

Yes, there has been some progress, thanks to the extraordinary efforts of our soldiers and civilians in Iraq. Schools, shops and hospitals have been opened. In parts of Iraq, normalcy actually prevails.

But most Iraqis have lost faith in our ability to deliver meaningful improvements to their lives. So they’re sitting on the fence… instead of siding with us against the insurgents.

That is the truth. The truth that the Commander in Chief owes to our troops and the American people.

It is never easy to discuss what has gone wrong while our troops are in constant danger. But it’s essential if we want to correct our course and do what’s right for our troops instead of repeating the same mistakes over and over again.

I know this dilemma first-hand. After serving in war, I returned home to offer my own personal voice of dissent. I did so because I believed strongly that we owed it those risking their lives to speak truth to power. We still do.

Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator who deserves his own special place in hell. But that was not, in itself, a reason to go to war. The satisfaction we take in his downfall does not hide this fact: we have traded a dictator for a chaos that has left America less secure.

The President has said that he “miscalculated” in Iraq and that it was a “catastrophic success.” In fact, the President has made a series of catastrophic decisions … from the beginning … in Iraq. At every fork in the road, he has taken the wrong turn and led us in the wrong direction.

The first and most fundamental mistake was the President’s failure to tell the truth to the American people.

He failed to tell the truth about the rationale for going to war. And he failed to tell the truth about the burden this war would impose on our soldiers and our citizens.

By one count, the President offered 23 different rationales for this war. If his purpose was to confuse and mislead the American people, he succeeded.

His two main rationales – weapons of mass destruction and the Al Qaeda/September 11 connection – have been proved false… by the President’s own weapons inspectors… and by the 9/11 Commission. Just last week, Secretary of State Powell acknowledged the facts. Only Vice President Cheney still insists that the earth is flat.

The President also failed to level with the American people about what it would take to prevail in Iraq.

He didn’t tell us that well over 100,000 troops would be needed, for years, not months. He didn’t tell us that he wouldn’t take the time to assemble a broad and strong coalition of allies. He didn’t tell us that the cost would exceed $200 billion. He didn’t tell us that even after paying such a heavy price, success was far from assured.

And America will pay an even heavier price for the President’s lack of candor.

At home, the American people are less likely to trust this administration if it needs to summon their support to meet real and pressing threats to our security.

Abroad, other countries will be reluctant to follow America when we seek to rally them against a common menace -- as they are today. Our credibility in the world has plummeted.

In the dark days of the Cuban Missile Crisis, President Kennedy sent former Secretary of State Dean Acheson to Europe to build support. Acheson explained the situation to French President de Gaulle. Then he offered to show him highly classified satellite photos, as proof. De Gaulle waved the photos away, saying: “The word of the President of the United States is good enough for me.”

How many world leaders have that same trust in America’s president, today?

This President’s failure to tell the truth to us before the war has been exceeded by fundamental errors of judgment during and after the war.

The President now admits to “miscalculations” in Iraq.

That is one of the greatest understatements in recent American history. His were not the equivalent of accounting errors. They were colossal failures of judgment – and judgment is what we look for in a president.

This is all the more stunning because we’re not talking about 20/20 hindsight. Before the war, before he chose to go to war, bi-partisan Congressional hearings… major outside studies… and even some in the administration itself… predicted virtually every problem we now face in Iraq.

This President was in denial. He hitched his wagon to the ideologues who surround him, filtering out those who disagreed, including leaders of his own party and the uniformed military. The result is a long litany of misjudgments with terrible consequences.

The administration told us we’d be greeted as liberators. They were wrong.

They told us not to worry about looting or the sorry state of Iraq’s infrastructure. They were wrong.

They told us we had enough troops to provide security and stability, defeat the insurgents, guard the borders and secure the arms depots. They were wrong.

They told us we could rely on exiles like Ahmed Chalabi to build political legitimacy. They were wrong.

They told us we would quickly restore an Iraqi civil service to run the country and a police force and army to secure it. They were wrong.

In Iraq, this administration has consistently over-promised and under-performed. This policy has been plagued by a lack of planning, an absence of candor, arrogance and outright incompetence. And the President has held no one accountable, including himself.

In fact, the only officials who lost their jobs over Iraq were the ones who told the truth.

General Shinseki said it would take several hundred thousand troops to secure Iraq. He was retired. Economic adviser Larry Lindsey said that Iraq would cost as much as $200 billion. He was fired. After the successful entry into Baghdad, George Bush was offered help from the UN -- and he rejected it. He even prohibited any nation from participating in reconstruction efforts that wasn’t part of the original coalition – pushing reluctant countries even farther away. As we continue to fight this war almost alone, it is hard to estimate how costly that arrogant decision was. Can anyone seriously say this President has handled Iraq in a way that makes us stronger in the war on terrorism?

By any measure, the answer is no. Nuclear dangers have mounted across the globe. The international terrorist club has expanded. Radicalism in the Middle East is on the rise. We have divided our friends and united our enemies. And our standing in the world is at an all time low.

Think about it for a minute. Consider where we were… and where we are. After the events of September 11, we had an opportunity to bring our country and the world together in the struggle against the terrorists. On September 12th, headlines in newspapers abroad declared “we are all Americans now.” But through his policy in Iraq, the President squandered that moment and rather than isolating the terrorists, left America isolated from the world.

We now know that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and posed no imminent threat to our security. It had not, as the Vice President claimed, “reconstituted nuclear weapons.”

The President’s policy in Iraq took our attention and resources away from other, more serious threats to America.

Threats like North Korea, which actually has weapons of mass destruction, including a nuclear arsenal, and is building more under this President’s watch…

… The emerging nuclear danger from Iran…

… The tons and kilotons of unsecured chemical and nuclear weapons in Russia…

… And the increasing instability in Afghanistan.

Today, warlords again control much of that country, the Taliban is regrouping, opium production is at an all time high and the Al Qaeda leadership still plots and plans, not only there but in 60 other nations. Instead of using U.S. forces, we relied on the warlords to capture Osama bin Laden when he was cornered in the mountains. He slipped away. We then diverted our focus and forces from the hunt for those responsible for September 11th in order invade Iraq.

We know Iraq played no part in September 11 and had no operational ties to Al Qaeda.

The President’s policy in Iraq precipitated the very problem he said he was trying to prevent. Secretary of State Powell admits that Iraq was not a magnet for international terrorists before the war. Now it is, and they are operating against our troops. Iraq is becoming a sanctuary for a new generation of terrorists who someday could hit the United States.

We know that while Iraq was a source of friction, it was not previously a source of serious disagreement with our allies in Europe and countries in the Muslim world.

The President’s policy in Iraq divided our oldest alliance and sent our standing in the Muslim world into free fall. Three years after 9/11, even in many moderate Muslim countries like Jordan, Morocco and Turkey, Osama bin Laden is more popular than the United States of America.

Let me put it plainly: The President’s policy in Iraq has not strengthened our national security. It has weakened it.

Two years ago, Congress was right to give the President the authority to use force to hold Saddam Hussein accountable. This President… any President… would have needed the threat of force to act effectively. This President misused that authority.

The power entrusted to the President gave him a strong hand to play in the international community. The idea was simple. We would get the weapons inspectors back in to verify whether or not Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. And we would convince the world to speak with one voice to Saddam: disarm or be disarmed.

A month before the war, President Bush told the nation: “If we have to act, we will take every precaution that is possible. We will plan carefully. We will act with the full power of the United States military. We will act with allies at our side and we will prevail.” He said that military action wasn’t “unavoidable.”

Instead, the President rushed to war without letting the weapons inspectors finish their work. He went without a broad and deep coalition of allies. He acted without making sure our troops had enough body armor. And he plunged ahead without understanding or preparing for the consequences of the post-war. None of which I would have done.

Yet today, President Bush tells us that he would do everything all over again, the same way. How can he possibly be serious? Is he really saying that if we knew there were no imminent threat, no weapons of mass destruction, no ties to Al Qaeda, the United States should have invaded Iraq? My answer is no – because a Commander-in-Chief’s first responsibility is to make a wise and responsible decision to keep America safe.

Now the president, in looking for a new reason, tries to hang his hat on the “capability” to acquire weapons. But that was not the reason given to the nation; it was not the reason Congress voted on; it’s not a reason, it’s an excuse. Thirty-five to forty countries have greater capability to build a nuclear bomb than Iraq did in 2003. Is President Bush saying we should invade them?

I would have concentrated our power and resources on defeating global terrorism and capturing or killing Osama bin Laden. I would have tightened the noose and continued to pressure and isolate Saddam Hussein – who was weak and getting weaker -- so that he would pose no threat to the region or America.

The President’s insistence that he would do the same thing all over again in Iraq is a clear warning for the future. And it makes the choice in this election clear: more of the same with President Bush or a new direction that makes our troops and America safer. It is time, at long last, to ask the questions and insist on the answers from the Commander-in-Chief about his serious misjudgments and what they tell us about his administration and the President himself. If George W. Bush is re-elected, he will cling to the same failed policies in Iraq -- and he will repeat, somewhere else, the same reckless mistakes that have made America less secure than we can or should be.

In Iraq, we have a mess on our hands. But we cannot throw up our hands. We cannot afford to see Iraq become a permanent source of terror that will endanger America’s security for years to come.

All across this country people ask me what we should do now. Every step of the way, from the time I first spoke about this in the Senate, I have set out specific recommendations about how we should and should not proceed. But over and over, when this administration has been presented with a reasonable alternative, they have rejected it and gone their own way. This is stubborn incompetence.

Five months ago, in Fulton, Missouri, I said that the President was close to his last chance to get it right. Every day, this President makes it more difficult to deal with Iraq – harder than it was five months ago, harder than it was a year ago. It is time to recognize what is – and what is not – happening in Iraq today. And we must act with urgency.

Just this weekend, a leading Republican, Chuck Hagel, said we’re “in deep trouble in Iraq … it doesn’t add up … to a pretty picture … we’re going to have to look at a recalibration of our policy.” Republican leaders like Dick Lugar and John McCain have offered similar assessments.

We need to turn the page and make a fresh start in Iraq.

First, the President has to get the promised international support so our men and women in uniform don’t have to go it alone. It is late; the President must respond by moving this week to gain and regain international support.

Last spring, after too many months of resistance and delay, the President finally went back to the U.N. which passed Resolution 1546. It was the right thing to do – but it was late.

That resolution calls on U.N. members to help in Iraq by providing troops… trainers for Iraq’s security forces… a special brigade to protect the U.N. mission… more financial assistance… and real debt relief.

Three months later, not a single country has answered that call. And the president acts as if it doesn’t matter.

And of the $13 billion previously pledged to Iraq by other countries, only $1.2 billion has been delivered.

The President should convene a summit meeting of the world’s major powers and Iraq’s neighbors, this week, in New York, where many leaders will attend the U.N. General Assembly. He should insist that they make good on that U.N. resolution. He should offer potential troop contributors specific, but critical roles, in training Iraqi security personnel and securing Iraq’s borders. He should give other countries a stake in Iraq’s future by encouraging them to help develop Iraq’s oil resources and by letting them bid on contracts instead of locking them out of the reconstruction process.

This will be difficult. I and others have repeatedly recommended this from the very beginning. Delay has made only made it harder. After insulting allies and shredding alliances, this President may not have the trust and confidence to bring others to our side in Iraq. But we cannot hope to succeed unless we rebuild and lead strong alliances so that other nations share the burden with us. That is the only way to succeed.

Second, the President must get serious about training Iraqi security forces.

Last February, Secretary Rumsfeld claimed that more than 210,000 Iraqis were in uniform. Two weeks ago, he admitted that claim was exaggerated by more than 50 percent. Iraq, he said, now has 95,000 trained security forces.

But guess what? Neither number bears any relationship to the truth. For example, just 5,000 Iraqi soldiers have been fully trained, by the administration’s own minimal standards. And of the 35,000 police now in uniform, not one has completed a 24-week field-training program. Is it any wonder that Iraqi security forces can’t stop the insurgency or provide basic law and order?

The President should urgently expand the security forces training program inside and outside Iraq. He should strengthen the vetting of recruits, double classroom training time, and require follow-on field training. He should recruit thousands of qualified trainers from our allies, especially those who have no troops in Iraq. He should press our NATO allies to open training centers in their countries. And he should stop misleading the American people with phony, inflated numbers.

Third, the President must carry out a reconstruction plan that finally brings tangible benefits to the Iraqi people.

Last week, the administration admitted that its plan was a failure when it asked Congress for permission to radically revise spending priorities in Iraq. It took 17 months for them to understand that security is a priority … 17 months to figure out that boosting oil production is critical … 17 months to conclude that an Iraqi with a job is less likely to shoot at our soldiers.

One year ago, the administration asked for and received $18 billion to help the Iraqis and relieve the conditions that contribute to the insurgency. Today, less than a $1 billion of those funds have actually been spent. I said at the time that we had to rethink our policies and set standards of accountability. Now we’re paying the price.

Now, the President should look at the whole reconstruction package…draw up a list of high visibility, quick impact projects… and cut through the red tape. He should use more Iraqi contractors and workers, instead of big corporations like Halliburton. He should stop paying companies under investigation for fraud or corruption. And he should fire the civilians in the Pentagon responsible for mismanaging the reconstruction effort.

Fourth, the President must take immediate, urgent, essential steps to guarantee the promised elections can be held next year.

Credible elections are key to producing an Iraqi government that enjoys the support of the Iraqi people and an assembly to write a Constitution that yields a viable power sharing arrangement.

Because Iraqis have no experience holding free and fair elections, the President agreed six months ago that the U.N. must play a central role. Yet today, just four months before Iraqis are supposed to go to the polls, the U.N. Secretary General and administration officials themselves say the elections are in grave doubt. Because the security situation is so bad… and because not a single country has offered troops to protect the U.N. elections mission… the U.N. has less than 25 percent of the staff it needs in Iraq to get the job done.

The President should recruit troops from our friends and allies for a U.N. protection force. This won’t be easy. But even countries that refused to put boots on the ground in Iraq should still help protect the U.N. We should also intensify the training of Iraqis to manage and guard the polling places that need to be opened. Otherwise, U.S forces would end up bearing those burdens alone.

If the President would move in this direction … if he would bring in more help from other countries to provide resources and forces … train the Iraqis to provide their own security …develop a reconstruction plan that brings real benefits to the Iraqi people … and take the steps necessary to hold credible elections next year … we could begin to withdraw U.S. forces starting next summer and realistically aim to bring all our troops home within the next four years.

This is what has to be done. This is what I would do as President today. But we cannot afford to wait until January. President Bush owes it to the American people to tell the truth and put Iraq on the right track. Even more, he owes it to our troops and their families, whose sacrifice is a testament to the best of America.

The principles that should guide American policy in Iraq now and in the future are clear: We must make Iraq the world’s responsibility, because the world has a stake in the outcome and others should share the burden. We must effectively train Iraqis, because they should be responsible for their own security. We must move forward with reconstruction, because that’s essential to stop the spread of terror. And we must help Iraqis achieve a viable government, because it’s up to them to run their own country. That’s the right way to get the job done and bring our troops home.

On May 1 of last year, President Bush stood in front of a now infamous banner that read “Mission Accomplished.” He declared to the American people: “In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.” In fact, the worst part of the war was just beginning, with the greatest number of American casualties still to come. The president misled, miscalculated, and mismanaged every aspect of this undertaking and he has made the achievement of our objective – a stable Iraq, secure within its borders, with a representative government, harder to achieve.

In Iraq, this administration’s record is filled with bad predictions, inaccurate cost estimates, deceptive statements and errors of judgment of historic proportions.

At every critical juncture in Iraq, and in the war on terrorism, the President has made the wrong choice. I have a plan to make America stronger.

The President often says that in a post 9-11 world, we can’t hesitate to act. I agree. But we should not act just for the sake of acting. I believe we have to act wisely and responsibly.

George Bush has no strategy for Iraq. I do.

George Bush has not told the truth to the American people about why we went to war and how the war is going. I have and I will continue to do so.

I believe the invasion of Iraq has made us less secure and weaker in the war against terrorism. I have a plan to fight a smarter, more effective war on terror – and make us safer.

Today, because of George Bush’s policy in Iraq, the world is a more dangerous place for America and Americans.

If you share my conviction that we can not go on as we are …that we can make America stronger and safer than it is… then November 2 is your chance to speak... and to be heard. It is not a question of staying the course, but of changing the course.

I’m convinced that with the right leadership, we can create a fresh start and move more effectively to accomplish our goals. Our troops have served with extraordinary courage and commitment. For their sake, and America’s sake, we must get this right. We must do everything in our power to complete the mission and make America stronger at home and respected again in the world.

Thank you, God bless you, and God bless the United States of America.


http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0920.html
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:10 AM
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98. Thanks!!
That'll save me a lot of typing! :-)
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mbali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:12 AM
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107. That would have been a hell of a lot of typing!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:36 AM
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151. Should have it's own thread.
:shrug: ;)
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:09 AM
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88. more...
The President must get the promised int'l support.

Last spring...the President finally went back to the UN and passed resolution...it was late but it was the right thing to do.

Guess what? 3 months later not a single country has answered that call and the President acts like that doesn't matter.

President should convene a summit meeting in NY this week with world leaders and insist they make good on the UN resolution
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Riptide Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:09 AM
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89. President has to....
gain and regain promised international support.

13 billion pledged to Iraq, only 1.2 delivered.

He should give other countries a stake in Iraq's future. Don't lock them out of contracts and reconstruction process.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:11 AM
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105. I Wish He Wouldn't Give Advice As To What Bush Must Do
Talk about how he will do it in just 3 1/2 short months
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abrock Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:14 AM
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115. No, this way is better. By showing what Bush isn't doing, he discredits.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:09 AM
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91. We're going to need the complete text of this speech. n/t
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abrock Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:10 AM
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96. its right above you "Kerry's Prepared Remarks"
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:11 AM
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102. See #87 above
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:19 AM
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123. Thank you!
:) :hi:
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carpe_vinum Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:09 AM
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92. "stubborn incompetence" Go Kerry! (nt)
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:10 AM
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97. welcome to DU!
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carpe_vinum Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 11:10 AM
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160. Thanks (nt)
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:10 AM
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99. Ha ha, he's taking all the wind out of *'s sails for the UN speech!
He's telling georgie boy what to do, what a REAL prez would do, and now...what will ol' dumbya do there?

bwa ha ha ha ha!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:12 AM
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109. "Start behaving like we really are at war" point 3 coming
BAM!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:15 AM
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117. "He should FIRE the civilian leadership in the Pentagon who mismanaged...
Edited on Mon Sep-20-04 10:15 AM by underpants
the post war planning..........
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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:17 AM
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119. I like that he's saying this isn't going to be easy....
Very truthful John... Boy did he ever trump Bush for his UN Speech...
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Riptide Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:13 AM
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112. Stop misleading the country with phony inflated numbers..
and start acting like we are at war.

Need tangible benefits to the Iraqi people. Did not plan, ignored his own state department. Admitted their plan was a failure. Took them 17 months to realize that security was important.

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abrock Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:13 AM
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113. Wow. Just... Wow. Please god, let the media cover this.
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Riptide Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:14 AM
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114. Use more Iraqi companies, instead of big corporations like Halliburton...
Should fire those who mismanaged the reconstruction effort. Big applause!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:16 AM
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118. Damn...
this is a KICK-ASS speech!!!
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Riptide Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:19 AM
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122. Brining up MISSION ACCOMPLISHED....
President misled, mismanaged, miscalculated every aspect of the war.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:19 AM
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124. The president misled, miscalculated, and mismanaged every aspect of this
The president misled, miscalculated, and mismanaged every aspect of this undertaking and he has made the achievement of our objective – a stable Iraq, secure within its borders, with a representative government, harder to achieve.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:21 AM
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127. … then November 2 is your chance to speak... and to be heard
ALmost over
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #124
131. OVER! Wow wow wow wow
Now if that isn't covered ........ WOW!
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Riptide Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:21 AM
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126. At every critical junction, the president has made the wrong choice..
We must act wisely and responsibly, not just act for the sake of acting.

Iraq has made us less secure and weaker in the war on terrorism. Today, the world is a more dangerous place.

Not just stay the course, but change the course.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:21 AM
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128. O.M.G.
Kerry:

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mbali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:21 AM
Original message
"George Bush has no strategy for Iraq. I do."
Edited on Mon Sep-20-04 10:22 AM by mbali
great!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:23 AM
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133. "and I always have"
I loved that part.
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:21 AM
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129. the gloves are off
:bounce:
"the president stood in front of "Mission Accomplished" sign but mislead, mismanaged, misinformed. Errors of presidential judgement of historic proportions......it is not a question of staying the course, but changing the course..."
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:22 AM
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130. I'm disappointed the crowd didn't explode into cheers when Kerry said

"I don't know what I'll find in Iraq on Jan 20"

Couldn't noodle it thru?
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:23 AM
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134. They sure are roaring now! n/t
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:25 AM
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138. Like your signature. Democrats also win when Democrats vote!
When we Democrats vote, we win!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:27 AM
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142. Now Daryn...Rush Limpball's girl....Kagan
Edited on Mon Sep-20-04 10:27 AM by in_cog_ni_to
has an AEI chimp campaign adviser, Danielle Pletka, talking about how she's disappointed in the "tone of desperation and despair" What a wench.

EVERYTHING Kerry said was the TRUTH!
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:23 AM
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132. speech over: Fox has TWO pugs dissing him, CNN only one
NO dems on at all

surprised?
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:24 AM
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135. Not a bit. n/t
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:26 AM
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140. Doesn't matter. Kerry said his piece.
He showed the leadership the country needs, and people will vote for him.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:25 AM
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Standing ovation - cheers - applause
He's got them on fire!!! This is so great!! I'm watching on
http://wnbc.feedroom.com/iframeset.jsp?ord=157110

They are STILL CHEERING!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:25 AM
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137. I thought the five mothers were going to speak?
CBS cut the video after the speech.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:31 AM
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148. C-SPAN will probably have the ENTIRE event on tonight.
:hi:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #148
152. Hope so ... sounds like I missed a doosey!
;)
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:25 AM
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139. Here comes: Wimpy Kagan and AEI hack on CNN
She says (AEI hack) how dare Kerry cite the casuality counts over and over again. Says he is "reveling" in them! Kerry, who saw his own friends die in Vietnam, "reveling" in war dead? She should be sued.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:27 AM
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144. I guess she wants to suppress all talk of the war dead.
All pictures of the coffins coming home.

That's the repuke way of dealing with our soldiers' deaths.

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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:29 AM
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146. This big toothed chick...
What an idiot... Think CNN will have a dem on?? Fox just had "breaking news" saying how Luger said that Kerry didn't show up for some meetings...oh please...they are scrambling for anything!!!
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bill Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:27 AM
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143. Great speech!
for a moment there, I thought he was going to do an encore.

I think this opens a new phase in the campaign

John Kerry :yourock:
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:31 AM
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149. Yes, the "kick Bush's ass" phase it seems. n/t
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:28 AM
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145. Bush adviser lying about the speech, of course. Do they know how to
do anything else?

Saying Kerry said he would still vote to invade Iraq. NO. He said he would vote to give the Prez authority to hold Saddam accountable and get the inspectors in.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:32 AM
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150. Of course Kagan didn't correct her.
CNN sucks!
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:39 AM
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154. What do you expect from someone who's banging Limbaugh
Sorry if that image caused anyone to go blind.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:42 AM
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155. Great Speech!
We need more of this!
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:44 AM
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156. time out.........check this vid....great Bush audio
http://www.thebots.net/FuzzyTest.htm

it's FUN!

kerry should USE it
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BlueNomad Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 10:54 AM
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159. It's Official...
I'm in love with Kerry...not really but I like him. I like him alot and the speech was a veritable homeroom. Lots of slamming-- lots of emphasis on "incompetence" and being "misled" and plenty of reminders that we're in this quagmire because knucklehead put us there....
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 11:17 AM
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162. why didn't he mention that the UK was pulling troops out of Iraq
Isn't that happening?

evidence of a weakening coalition
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ollie3 Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 11:19 AM
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163. having read the speech.....
all I can say is WOW!
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 11:57 AM
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165. Is that a thumbsup WOW!?
Welcome to DU! :hi:

I watched it and kept saying "YES!" I also turned it up so the groundskeepers outside could hear while they're working. :evilgrin:
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 01:02 PM
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166. kick the thread for the PM crowd
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