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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 11:20 AM
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Propaganda
Who said this and why is it important?

{____________} "defines it (propaganda)as:

'to influence large masses of the people, to concentrate on a few essential points, never to allow these to be lost sight of, to enunciate principles in the form of categorical statement, to exercise the greatest possible patience in disseminating ideas, and to be infinitely patient in awaiting results.'"

Anyone who guesses it right and identifies the source gets a private dumail from me thanking them for paying attention.

But please guess anyway and I will get back to you with the answers.

It is an easy one.
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 11:24 AM
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1. Webster?
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auntAgonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 11:33 AM
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2. Lenin?
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 12:27 PM
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8. Hi auntAgonist!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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auntAgonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 12:38 PM
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12. Thank YOU !!!!
you're my FIRST :) :bounce: I do appreciate the welcome!
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 01:14 PM
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16. WELCOME and a very good guess
but not good enough.

Enjoy your stay here and thanks for participating.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 01:15 PM
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17. I know you DUers can figure out the source
Edited on Sun Sep-19-04 01:16 PM by seventhson
as well as the author of this quote.

A LITTLE more research and it will all fall into place.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 11:34 AM
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3. Stalin?
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 01:16 PM
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18. Thats what I think (without knowing if the answer is listed below) nt
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 11:37 AM
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4. Karl Marx or Lenin
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 11:41 AM
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5. adolph
hitler


dp
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Chichiri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 12:33 PM
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9. I second Hitler (n/t)
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 11:42 AM
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6. Goebbels?
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 12:11 PM
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7. Karl Rove certainly belongs amongst this bunch...n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 01:04 PM
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14. Rove would also be my guess! n/t
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 12:36 PM
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10. Goerring? (sp?)
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 12:38 PM
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11. Rupert Murdoch? (Okay to offer multiple guesses, I hope) nt
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 01:09 PM
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15. Yep try as often as you want
we have a winner almost - but I ain't sayin' yet because - whle the actual person who said this has been identified, the source of the quote has not been (who captured this quote).

Those who have read my recent posts on the Bush history will probably be able to hazard a reliable guess.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 12:41 PM
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13. Chairman Mao
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 01:36 PM
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19. Last Call for the author of this modern Propagandist methodology???
and the writer who nailed it for history????
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 01:39 PM
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20. Goebells?
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 01:47 PM
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21. if your posts are a source
Edited on Sun Sep-19-04 01:53 PM by dweller
i'll venture Konrad Heiden.

but my guess would have been mien kampf...for the original statement.

dp
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 02:13 PM
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22. The author also has this in his book by the same speaker:


"...Our task is to undertake an immense organization of the whole world in which each land will produce what it requires most and in which the white race - the Nordic race - shall take the leading part in administering and carrying out the vast plan. Believe me, National Socialism would not be worth anything if it were to be confined to Germany and did not secure the rule of the superior race over the whole world for at least one or two thousand years."

"The great masses of workmen want nothing else than bread and amusement; they have no understanding of idealism; and we can never count upon being able to gain any considerable support among them. What we want is a picked number from the new ruling class, who...are not troubled with humanitarian feelings but who are convinced that they have the right to rule as being a superior race, and who will secure and maintain their rule ruthlessly over the broad masses."



" H(e) added that an understanding with England was in the interests of Germany, because it was necessary to establish a Nordic-Germanic hegemony in Europe AND, IN CONJUNCTION WITH NORDIC GERMANIC AMERICA, OVER THE WHOLE WORLD."



THIS IS WHAT THE BUSHES STAnd for


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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 02:37 PM
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23. We have a Winner (or two)!
Konrad Heiden it is! Quoting Hitler!

"A History of National Socialism" (Alfred Knopf, NY, 1935, p.130)

I came across this today and thought it was very apt. A must for the DU repertoire.

Practically NOBODY has read Heiden who really did more than almost any other 20th century writer to expose the true agenda and methodologies of Hitler (and, thereby, the Bushes).

When one considers the patience and deceit of the Bushes, from the financing of Hitler, the Nazi Party and Nazi agenda - and the profiteering from the misery and mass genocide of the Holocaust - with their methodology of PROPAGANDA and lies - and their long subterfuge act to gain the highest seats of totalitarian power in world History - this quote of Hitler from the period prior to 1935 (when Heieen's History was published) gains new REVELATORY significance.

THIS was their true aim in 1930 through today, financing global hegemony of the ruthless using this method of propaganda and outright lies.

THIS is why it is important today.

The more people who know this the more chance we have of defeating the BFEE in November or in the future ever.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 02:39 PM
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24. PS - it is possible that this originally came from Mein Kampf - BUT
Edited on Sun Sep-19-04 02:41 PM by seventhson
I only know Hitler is quoted by Heiden at the above source without any other attribution.

SOOOO --- Dweller WINS!!!!!!

PLEASE post your thoughts now that you know the deal.

Tell us why this matters and how it is in play today.


I think the Kerry attack is a prime example. The swiftliars STARTED the smear in 1971! THAT is Nazified patience in propaganda!!!
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 04:38 PM
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25. KICK
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 04:41 PM
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26. sounds like something a Bonemsan would say
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 05:24 PM
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28. Heh. Wellll...maybe Prescott Bush and his Skull buddies did tell Hitler
how to influence the masses.

Coulda been Bonesmen. After all three of the Union Banking Corp(Hitler's bank in NYC run by, inter alia, the Bush family) were Bonesman (Bush and Harriman among them) a fourth was a Yalie (npot a Bonesman) and the other three were German nationals and Nazi party members.

So....


Could be. Cocoa.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 04:44 PM
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27. "Propaganda and Control of the Human Mind"
A great documentary that explains how our media has developed spreading propaganda over the years.

http://mysite.verizon.net/res7dhyg/id3.html
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 07:15 PM
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29. Great site - Thanks a lot!
Please copy this quote and remember it

Hitler and Rove are certainly following the same path.

Planting a propaganda seed and letting it wait forever to sprout and blossom is certainly the way of the Third Reich in its current incarnation.
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