Dan Rather knows what he's doing

[Blue_Roses]

He has been in this business for years. I have no doubt he knows how to handle this. As far as this affecting Kerry, Kerry never touched this and has made it clear he wants to talk about issues. If this was a Rove plant (which I wouldn't put it past that smarmy creep), it'll come out, 'cause being "duped" won't go over well with Rather or CBS. They know how to fight back.

[IconoclastIlene]

1. am I surprised?

Of course not, but these are impeachable violations of law!!!

[n2mark]

25. Agree

I agree, Dan Rather knows what he is doing. I personally feel that Rather has the answers with proof to the questions he asked Shrub.

[Hello_Kitty]

2. I'm more and more convinced it's a Rove stunt

It's his MO all the way. They were crying 'forgery' far too quickly.

[Longhorn]

3. Perhaps my naivete is showing

but I agree with you. I read the LAT analysis of what happened and surely they went with more than Dan Bartlett's lack of refutation. I guess it's possible they thought people would go straight to the questions and quit asking about authenticity but that seems unlikely to me, as well.

Time will tell, huh?

[AmerDem]

4. I have the same faith in CBS and Rather as you

You know damn well Rather and 60 Minutes are pulling out all stops to dig as deep as they can. I just hope some credible dirt was left behind. shrub's earlier life has more or less been purged away. It's like a bad B movies.

[Blue_Roses]

5. Rove must forget that Rather sat down with Saddam for an interview

right before the illegal war started:evilgrin: Dan Rather has the balls to handle Rove.

[Nashyra]

6. Dan Rather will prevail

I think it will be the P.U.L.L. issue, but it could even be biger. Rather will get to the bottom of *'s lost months in the Guard. Or maybe he'll end up with a copy of the drivers license that has been purged.

[LiberalFighter]

9. Finding that missing Drivers License would be totally unnerve gw*

What they should try to do is get the database with Texas Driver's Licenses and determine the pattern that they use to issue them. Then determine which are missing for the time period that they would had been issued.

If I had the backing and time I would search Houston and any other locations where gw* was known to be. Also, Connecticut and any other state where he spent time.

Would there had been a drivers license in a different state and a record of being issued from a different state because of a change of residency?

[henslee]

12. His coke dealer probably has it, you know, made * leave it as collateral.

[frylock]

13. thanks for the laugh..

that was beautiful!

[PurityOfEssence]

20. Won't his DL# be on arrest records for the wreath (CT) the goalposts (NJ)

and the drunk driving (ME)? That number has to exist, and it can then be compared to court and booking records for the coke window...

[LiberalFighter]

23. Now if Democratic Party in those states or someone...

can research it.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

33. My understanding is that Shrub's driving record has gone

AWOL, too. Can't be found, missing, scrub, maybe Osama Bin Laden has it with him in his hidey hole. Just holding it for George.

I did read somewhere that in order to erase BoyGeorge's driving record when he became governor of Texas the Dept. of Motor Licensing (or whatever they call it down there) decided to re-issue BoyGeorge's driving license and give him the # 1 license. Of course the party line was to honor the governor (don't think this had been done before or since) but in the "process" Dubya's records have evaporated. Poof.

Of course, Dubya immediately upon moving into the Oval Office, ordered all his papers (personal and professional) shipped out of state and send to Maine to his father's library and order them sealed. By executive order. He also sealed his father's and Reagan's administration's papers forever sealed just as they were set to be released. Presidential papers are held for 12 years before opening to the public and historians were practically frothing at the mouth to get the inside scoop on Iran Contra brouhaha. BoyGeorge covered his ass, Daddy's and Ron's all with one little signature. What is he hiding?

So, let's recap -

Dubya's military record went missing, and then parts of it "decided" to come home...

Dubya's driving record has turned up gone...

Dubya's business, personal and gubernatorial papers are sealed from prying eyes forever (State of Texas has filed suit - demanding the papers from the time Bush was governor be returned to Austin - seems the papers weren't Bush's to ship out of state and seal. Not sure if that case has been decided yet.)...

He somehow misplaced the memos that proved there were WMDs, that Hussein was in cahoots with Bin Laden, that we are winning the war, that the economy is fine and poor OB/GYNs are being sued out of business.

The boy just can't hang on to anything!

[barb162]

34. remember when H. Dean's papers were in storage and people

asked what he was hiding?

"Dubya's business, personal and gubernatorial papers are sealed from prying eyes forever (State of Texas has filed suit - demanding the papers from the time Bush was governor be returned to Austin "

[RevCheesehead]

39. Let's just hope that includes his current job, too.

The boy just can't hang on to anything!:evilgrin:

[Kazak]

10. Yeah, they've got something up their sleve...

They're just behaving as such...can't wait! :evilgrin:

[henslee]

14. Maybe its the oct. suprise, Kerry camp refers to.

[Blue_Roses]

18. If Rather thinks for even 1 second that he's been "duped"

then expect very interesting things to be revealed about this administration...see post 16..

Rather knows what he's doing:)

[chookie]

7. Peter Jennings does not

I know this is off topic, but after thinking the guy did a good job these many years, I was revolted when I saw him, a man with a lot of historic and cultural and political knowledge, just let Rove dish him shit during their interview. Bad enough that Rove KNOWS he's lying, but Jennings does too, but just sat there like a bar rag when he had the opportunity to out the fucker.

It's not that I am a roller derby type who loves brawls -- but I AM the type who demands to see and hear the TRUTH -- and if "gentlemen" like Jennings lack the ability to confront it, then they are absolutely useless and ridiculous.

Here's hoping Dan has the guts to go toe to toe with these fuckers.

BREAKING NEWS, ANCHORS!! These guys are the fucking NAZIS! *They're* making history as the folks who are going to destroy America, and if you just sit their politely letting them say their lies, you will be forgotten -- but IF you confront them, and expose them for what they are -- THEN you will have earned immortality and the gratitude of free men.

[henslee]

11. You must tell a 1000 lies to cover 1. Rather is a cagey vet.

Rove is not infallible. Too many angry people despise this administration. Iraq is a disaster. You can only spin for so long, sooner or later you run out of line.

[Nite Owl]

8. Rather has been around for a long time.

he knows the business and he is a Texan too so I wouldn't be surprised if he knew exactly what he was doing here. I admire him more because he's not shirking his journalistic duties.

[Nordic]

15. Rather got played. Here's the latest headline in the scam:

Ex-Guardsman: I Contacted Kerry Campaign

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=716&e=3&u=/ap/20040919/ap_on_el_pr/bush_guard_questions


The question now is this: Dan Rather is a powerful journalist, possibly the most powerful journalist left in the United States.

He's pissed off. What's he gonna do to get these assholes back?

I can't wait.

Rove may have fucked with the wrong guy

[Blue_Roses]

17. read post 16...he's knows what to do...

and it will be good too :evilgrin:

[DoYouEverWonder]

19. Lt. Burkett coming out is going to be the best thing

that could happen to Dan Rather and I am willing to bet that they planned for it to happen this way.

Burkett isn't some wacko who just appeared out of thin air. He has been telling his story to anyone who will listen for over 5 years. His writing can be found at OnLine Journal and Pacific Radio has done a number of interviews with him.

He is a career military officer, who has served his country well. I expect he'll be Dan's next guest on 60 Minutes. We'll have to see what happens?


Now watch out for that trap Rove set, he's got everyone attacking a vetern again. Time to watch his crap blow up in his face.

[Nordic]

36. Burkett is being smeared as a whack-job

And the entire story was a set-up to distract from the Kitty Kelley book.

[DoYouEverWonder]

37. Burkett is not a wack job

and most people have never seen or heard him. Once people see him, I think many of them will change their minds.

At this point, most people are buying the Rove party line that he's a wack job, have no idea what they are talking about.

[Nordic]

42. that's not the point. All that matters is the perception

and they're giving the public the perception that he's a whack-job

[DoYouEverWonder]

43. Then let them dig their own graves

Rather should put Burkett and MacDougald on TV next week.

Then well see who really is the wacko around here.

[Nordic]

45. oh, they will ultimately, but they may destroy this country in the process

nt

[RetroLounge]

46. and they did not call him back

try reading beyond the headline next time...

RL

[Blue_Roses]

16. Dan Rather knows how the Bushes operate. An interview with poppy shows

this. Dan Rather knows full well what's going on...:)

===========================



Questions about a scandal in the Reagan administration led Rather to a run-in with then-Vice President George Bush during a live interview on national television in January 1988. This incident highlighted Rather's testy relations with top politicians, but also his vulnerability to attack. In the midst of the interview, Bush chastised Rather for creating a six-minute blackout on the network the previous September. It was the vice president's retort to Rather's insistent questioning about Bush's role in the Iran-Contra affair.

--snip--

Rather was in New York doing a live satellite interview on the "CBS Evening News" with Bush, who was in Washington. Rather asked the vice president, who was running to succeed Reagan, about the Iran-Contra affair and his involvement in it. Bush was not being responsive and Rather kept pressing. Bush finally let Rather have it with a planned assault.

"It's not fair to judge my whole career by a rehash on Iran," Bush began. "How would you like it if I judged your career by those seven minutes when you walked off the set in New York ? Would you like that?" Bush got the length of time and the city wrong, but it was plain that he had thrown Rather.

--snip--

The Bush campaign claimed that Rather had tried to set them up. The truth was that Bush and his confederates had set up Rather. Bettag, who was Rather's executive producer at the time, believes that Rather knew what he was getting into with Bush, but that his nature would not allow him to avoid the confrontation. "He believes so deeply that it is essential that a reporter not shrink from controversy that he has taken on any number of things that tee people off," Bettag says.


more...


http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_Profiles/People_Profile/0,2540,88,00.html

[RevCheesehead]

21. There it is again: Iran-Contra

Pull out your tinfoil hats :tinfoilhat:

Why do I feel as if we have not yet heard the last of Iran-Contra?
Why do I feel now, as I did in 1988, that Dan was point-on with his questions to Poppy? Remember, GHWB never answered the question - he evaded the issue by attacking Rather (in those days, that was somewhat scandalous).

And why, oh why do I suspect that *'s missing records are somehow tied up with all that?

There was a post early this a.m. about Eugene Hasenfus
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2367431

I wish more people would read and comment on it.

Q about CIA and drug operations in central america
Q about Iran-Contra
Q about GHWB's role in arms for hostages

and my Q: Where was * during this time? Do the CIA ops go back to the time of Poppy's tenure?

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

[Blue_Roses]

26. that interview Dan Rather did with poppy is interesting and it shows

how thin-skined poppy is. I used to think that it was his crusty old personality that lost him the election--that is until he made the infamouse "read my lips" quote.

[rocktivity]

22. Rather wins no matter what

If the memos are real, he's out-Roved Rove, handed Kerry a landslide, and put himself in postion to accuse his media rivals of being in collusion with the Bush White House. If they're fake, all he has to say is that he knew it all along and just pretended that he didn't as part of a "reverse sting" to flush out the culprits--to wit, the Bush White House.

If you'd just landed on this planet, you would think that Rather was a rookie cub reporter who got the documents faxed to him the day before he put them on the air!

:headbang:
rocknation

[Blue_Roses]

27. I know what ya mean...

Dan Rather has this uncanny way of turning the story back on the person in a way that gives him the "elmer-fud" look, but knowing all along, he's got your cornered:evilgrin:

Dan Rather is not liked by conservatives because they think he is biased toward the left, so it wouldn't surprise me if this was a hoax to try to discredit his reporting, but I think they have f***** with the wrong reporter.

[Athletic Grrl]

44. With the excellent reminder about the HW interview...

...I think it's clear that Rather's bias is not pro-liberal, but rather anti-Bush.

[complain jane]

24. But I'm TELLING you, the OCR thing,

I posted about it the other day and it's a perfectly plausible possibility, so much so that I threw it at a freeper last night and he's been screaming at me in all caps ever since trying to discredit the whole theory as "smoke and mirrors"

I'm TELLING you it's a possibility that the docs ARE computer generated and yet NOT FORGERIES EITHER.

On edit:

::: banging head on wall :::

:argh:

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. Did you email your theory to CBS? You should! n/t

[Blue_Roses]

29. what is the OCR theory?

n/t

[TankLV]

31. Thanks for reminding me of what the typeface of the golfballs and wheels

that I had used were called.

I bought it because it was a simple "sans serif" font that looked very "architcctural".

OCR typeface was a favorite amongst architects and engineers for specs and other non-drawing documents.

I remember "cut and paste" quite well!

[Blue_Roses]

32. obviously, this is a slow news day

:eyes:

[Qutzupalotl]

30. He knows they're genuine.

He knows...
-the letters rise and fall individually, like a typewriter and not a computer.
-the letters are slightly different from one another, like a typewriter and not a computer.
-the signature is genuine
-the facts and sentiments are genuine
-the typing could have been done on Knox' typewriter (although not by her)
-a forger would have to know that 1972 typewriters could do superscripts
-rumors of forgery started by right-wing hack with no typography experience
-Bush only claims "no recollection" of having seen the documents before (not a hard denial)

Killian typed them himself, after hours, without telling her. He was being asked to lie, after all. And he was dealing with the powerful Bush family. So he had Knox type up CYA memos, then later typed his own backups, and kept them away from his home or office.

Good thing he did that, too. The ones Knox typed have somehow been "disappeared".

[Keirsey]

35. check us out

Hope that Rather has someone on his staff monitoring our posts. You DU researchers are amazing, and if Rather wants/needs to declare a media war on Dubya and his cabal, this is where he can find the ammunition.

[gordianot]

41. Good Answer

How I think it will end is that Killian was pressured by multiple sources typed this himself on the Selectric Ms. Knox referenced. All they have to do is match another document done on the same typewriter from the same office in the 1970 time frame. If I had records in that time frame I would want copies before they disappear.

[phish420]

38. I agree. I have faith in Rather

Maybe he'll tell us What the Frequency Is, Kenneth, and it will somehow be tied into this...lol
Youre right, dan has been around for a while and he wouldnt have taken this on if he didnt know he could handle it.

[RevCheesehead]

40. Hmm...remember that "mugging?"

Wouldn't put it past some Poppy operative trying to tell Dan to shut up. Always wondered if there's more to that story, but Dan says no.

If he can pull out crap on *, that would be the ultimate revenge.