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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 01:43 PM
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Make Tucker lose a million bucks...
Tucker Carlson claimed on Anderson Cooper 360 Degrees that not even 20,000 people in the U.S. know about or understand Halliburton's relevance to Iraq and to this election...

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0409/17/acd.00.html

CARLSON: And yet here's the interesting part. Coming after -- Kerry did that yesterday, today is Halliburton day. So rather than move forward with this momentum, Iraq was a bad idea, maybe try and stake out a position on Iraq that makes sense, which will be helpful if you're running for president, he instead takes off an entire day, cuts an ad and gives a speech attacking Halliburton. I bet you a million bucks that there aren't more than 20,000 people in this country who even understand what Halliburton is or how it is relevant to Iraq. It's insane, and it's not effective politically. It's a measure of how in disarray his campaign is.

Tell CNN, Mr. Cooper, and Mr. Carlson that we do indeed know about Halliburton's significance to Iraq and this political race despite the fact that the mainstream media does their best to keep us in the dark.

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?10


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A_Possum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 01:47 PM
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1. 2
sent 2 for the "Yeah we understand column," me and my husband.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 01:50 PM
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2. GOP counting on ignorance and apathy of the electorate, as usual,
may be surprised how many people DO care about Halliburton and a LOT more.
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greenman3610 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 01:53 PM
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3. I'm not sure. Tucker may be right.
I am again and again astonished by how stupid and ignorant
this population is.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 01:59 PM
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5. Well...
There are over 50,000 members on this board and 500,000 that marched in NYC; I'll venture more than half know. There are also a multitude of smaller boards and discussion groups, add them to the bloggers and their readers and Tucker Carlson will owe Anderson Cooper $1,000,000.

He'll renege though. Just as he did when he pledged to eat his shoe if Hillary's book sold over a million.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 01:56 PM
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4. I sent my e-mail ...
calling Carlson a condescending fool. And that while Bushies might be too dense and/or ignorant to know what Halliburton is ... we dems know pretty damn well. Smug little prick.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 02:00 PM
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6. hm, considering Halliburton does business illegally with "axis of evil"
nations through its offshore subsidiary .....

Yes, I don't think 20,000 people, not even most Halliburton stockholders (how many people actually READ the annual report?) know this.

They're doing business in Iran AS WE SPEAK. They've done HUGE construction projects in Libya the last 15 years, and they were quite busy in Iraq before we invaded.

Hello, "liberal" media???
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 02:11 PM
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12. And how many people have seen this movie?
Hijacking Catastrophe: 9/11, Fear & the Selling of American Empire in which Halliburton's financial interests in the Middle East are highlighted. Far more than 20,000. And it has been recently released in the theaters so far more will see it.

http://www.hijackingcatastrophe.org/
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 02:47 PM
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17. interesting! Hadn't heard of that one
might be worth an announcement, its own thread
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 02:01 PM
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7. Done!
Bush/Cheney corporate greed has bankrupted America and may have been responsible for the war in Iraq. People need to wake up to the fact that Bush/Cheney are a corporation that has co-opted our democracy.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 02:04 PM
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8. Even my 80+ yo Mother-in-law knows about Halliburton
and the only thing she reads is The Bible.
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JPJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 02:05 PM
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9. Wouldn't it be better to send e-mails to Tucker
and not flood AC with 20,000 e-mails?
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 02:08 PM
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11. It was AC's show...
Presumably Tucker made the bet with Cooper and it will be up to Cooper to collect!

But go ahead and email Tucker as well.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 02:07 PM
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10. How many copies of American Dynasty (Kevin Phillips) were sold?
American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush
(Kevin Phillips)

Paraphrasing a passage from Machiavelli's The Prince, Kevin Phillips writes, "a ruler can ignore the mob and devote himself to the interests of the ruling class, gulling the inert majority who constitute the ruled." He then says, "Borgia references aside, 21st-century American readers of The Prince may feel that they have stumbled on a thinly disguised Bush White House political memo." These pointed words would sting regardless of who uttered them, but coming from Phillips, a former Republican strategist, they have an added piquancy. In American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush, Phillips traces the rise of the Bush family from investment banking elites to political power brokers, using their Ivy League network, vast wealth, and questionable political maneuvering to obtain the White House and consequently, shake the foundation of constitutional American democracy. Citing the Bush family mainstays of finance, energy (oil), the military industrial complex, and national security and intelligence (the CIA), Phillips uses copious examples to show the dangerous alliance between the Bushes' business interests (huge corporations such as Enron and Haliburton) and the formation of national policy. No other family, Phillips says, that has fulfilled its presidential aspirations has been so involved in the ascendancy of the arms industry and of the 21st-century American imperium--often at the expense of regional and world peace and for their personal gain.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0670032646/qid=1095534208/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/102-5560395-0124154?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 02:16 PM
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13. Done, for a count of three.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 02:48 PM
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18. He should have changed his name to "Kitty Kelly"
and gotten some attention
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mreh Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 02:17 PM
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14. Done -- here is my email
Please be sure to tell Mr. Tucker Carlson that "he" is the ignorant member of our society. Many, many people know what Halliburton is or how it is relevant to Iraq. Those especially knowledgeable are the troops and the families of the troops that know first hand how "employees" of Halliburton are making small fortunes in Iraq while the troops are under paid, their families are living in or very close to poverty and the jobs that the troops left to serve in this war are no longer available to them. How frustrating do you think it is to the troops to see private contractors (security forces, busboys, et cetera) making more than double what they are making? Some say that Halliburton is paying the private security contractors ten times more than what the troops are making. How frustrating do you think it is for the troops to see the Halliburton employees living in better conditions than they are living and being better equipped than they are equipped?

The only thing insane about Mr. Kerry’s most effective campaigning is that Mr. Tucker thinks of himself as the only informed member of our society and he considers himself an intellectual. Anyone with a brain can see that the Bush administration has destroyed our nation’s credibility, has removed us from the respected nation category, has totally destroyed our nation’s standing as a moral nation. We are the invading, occupying nation that has allowed the corporations drive for war profits to direct our every move. Mr. Tucker is a corporate shill and has no credibility; I suggest that Mr. Cooper require that Mr. Tucker pay him with cash or a cashier’s check when he pays him as a result of losing the million-dollar bet.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 02:22 PM
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15. My response:
The fact that anyone would have the gall to say that Americans don't understand exactly what the Halliburtons and KBRs of this world have to do with Iraq is arrogance at a previously unknown level. The conflict in Iraq is money in the bank for those guys. Billing for meals never served, charging a hundred bucks a pop per sack of laundry, being paid for reconstruction projects that, if done at all, are done in such a cheap haphazard manner that they're comparable to slapping up some drywall and calling it done.

Oh yes, and then there's Cheney's claim that he's not receiving any compensation for awarding the no-bid contracts to Halliburton. Maybe not today, but when that man's butt is finally out of office there's a cool 2 million (at least) in deferred compensation just waiting for him.

Please, don't ever misunderestimate the American public in this manner. Believe me, we know. We know far better than this administration would like us to know.
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I wish I wouldn't get so angry when responding to stuff like this. If I could respond calmly and thoughtfully, I know my responses would sound a lot more reasonable and intelligent. But the arrogance of these bastard thinking that we don't know the the 'true importance' of Halliburton in regard to the situation in Iraq is starting to make me sputter even now.

Screw 'em.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 02:27 PM
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16. yeah, I had to bite my literal tongue ...
I seriously want to wring his little pencil neck!
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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 03:33 PM
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19. My letter to Mr. Cooper
Please let Mr. Tucker Carlson know that many Americans DO know exactly what Halliburton has to do with the Iraq War. Before becoming VP Mr. Cheney was the CEO of Haliburton, and up until a FEW MONTHS BEFORE HE TOOK OFFICE one of his subsidiaries continued to conduct business with Saddam Hussien. Then once the Iraq war began, Halliburton received millions of dollar in NO BID contracts for the reconstruction effort, and to provide services for the military. All the while, Mr. Cheney continue to receive payments from Halliburton. Halliburton now is under investigation by the GAO and Pentagon for defrauding the American government for millions of dollars. This is a prime example of the Bush Administration's abuse of office. They are rewarding their rich friends on the backs of ordinary Americans. While it may be a stretch, you have to wonder if this war, WHICH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH FIGHTING TERRORISM, OR CATCHING OSAMA BIN LADEN was not perpetrated on the American public entirely to reward Bush and Cheney's business connections in the oil industry.

Please let Mr. Carlson know that the American public is not as stupid as he and the RNC may like to think we are.
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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 03:46 PM
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20. I told Tucker if he wasn't so busy kissing *'s ass he could get his facts
straight. I told him he wasn't indispensable and that the only ones who didn't know were voting with him, so It was his fault.
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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 04:37 PM
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21. kick
:kick:
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:23 PM
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22. Excellent responses!
Thanks everyone! Let's keep them coming!
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mreh Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 11:46 AM
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23. kick
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