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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:25 PM
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Who the fuck can still be "undecided"?
:grr:
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:25 PM
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1. Thats what I wanted to know this afternoon
Sigh doin what I can.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:27 PM
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3. You've got your whole future riding on this one, John.
Me too.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:28 PM
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8. I know
It's just sick, well my parents were very proud, I can't believe my dad said what I was doing was as noble as the people in uniform overseas, and that I was fighting the war on terror at home.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:26 PM
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2. I haven't decided to vote at 9:00 or 9:30.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:27 PM
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4. Many and those folks are maddening
some will not make up their minds until they hit the voting booth


So anything we tell them WILL HELP
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:27 PM
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5. I don't know either
Lotta people living under that same rock apparently. I was registering voters at the library today and quite a few people were hesitant to register because they 'just don't know yet'. WTF? At least the die hard Bushies are decisive. Decisively stupid, but still.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:28 PM
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9. i registered 2 dems today canvassing in NW Phx
:bounce:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:37 PM
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21. You are an angel! It's the "undecided" that are plagued by demons-lol.
O8)
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ulTRAX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:50 PM
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25. screw the undecideds
Try to motivate the unlikely voter. Some 110 million citizens, about 50% of the voting age population, sat out the 2000 election.

Why piss away precious funds on a few undecideds in swing states when there's 110 MILLION other citizens that might be reached!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:27 PM
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6. Those that have never heard of Jacko, or OJ, or Kobe, or Lacy, or...
Morons that don't know shit because they choose to know nothing.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:28 PM
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actually
they are probably people who overly focus on OJ and Jacko.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:29 PM
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12. everyone know who wacko jacko is
unfortunely not everyone knows how bad Bush's policies have been for the country, in the state of Pennsylvania alone, so much loses.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:29 PM
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11. Trusting souls, heh?
<sarcasm off>
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:28 PM
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7. The Undecided American
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:29 PM
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10. People whose lives revolve around...
... "Laverne and Shirley" reruns?

People whose lives are consumed by three part-time jobs and don't have a second to read the news and think about what they're reading?

People who can't make a decision except impulsively and at the last second?

There are lots of different bubbles out there, and people in all of them.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:31 PM
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14. Not everyone is as obsessed with politics as we here are
people can be preoccupied with other things. :)
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:33 PM
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16. You mean there is a life OUTSIDE DU
HERESY

:-)
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:44 PM
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23. I know
hard to believe... or a life outside of being obsessed with the election. ;)
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 11:16 PM
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30. Precisely my point...
... but, given the last 3-1/2 years, more people ought to be. By contrast, politics in France is a participatory sport.

Moreover, discussion of politics in this country has devolved into shouting slogans and sound-bites at each other (a tendency which can be largely blamed on the new breed of Republican which came into prominence with Newt Gingrich and his band of merry men). That turns a lot of people off from politics in general.

Is it in people's own interests to be informed? You bet. And yet, there are a lot of reasons why so many aren't. This year, those aren't reasons--they're excuses.

What few people realize is that the rest of the world is watching what we do in this election. If we as a people return Bush to offer, that doesn't mean we made another mistake, as in 2000; it will mean that a majority of us approve of Bush and his policies, that we approve of torture and illegal detention, that we approve of preventive war, that we approve of a diminishment of our own civil rights. Right now, the world commiserates with us for having to endure Bush. They believe that the country is captive to him and his cronies for the duration of the Constitution process.

If Bush is elected this time, people around the world will begin to believe, and for good reason, that it is America that is the problem, not just Bush.

That's why those bubbles of insularity should be popped at every opportunity.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:30 PM
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13. for what it's worth
I have heard more then a few callers to C-Span's Washington Journal say they were still undecided. Granted some call in on other lines but to hear them talk many showed no bias one way or another. I have no idea what more these people need.

Anyway, the debates are going to go along way in having the undecideds make up their minds.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:31 PM
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15. I had three undecided voters
I just do not understand it. I just don't. :cry:
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:34 PM
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19. we had even more than that
I am undecided........undecided to what song I am gonna play when Kerry wins, what alcohol I'll drink, yeah I am undecided :D. I just dont see how anyone after what this beady eyed fucker has done can support him.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:33 PM
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17. stupid people.
n/t
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:33 PM
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18. Probably a third of the people (dems) I have talked to
as a precinct worker say that they are undecided. I sense that they are reluctant to discuss the matter with anyone, and it's a polite way of saying it's none of your business.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:37 PM
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20. People who don't pay attention to politics or the news.
Maybe they're too busy with their personal life to bother...and probably a lot of just plain stupid numskulls.
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Grown2Hate Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:43 PM
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22. My girlfriend and I just recently met a military couple at a bed and ...
breakfast. Really kewl couple. The husband is in the Air Force, and they said they were going overseas in about a month (thus, they were there celebrating their anniversary about a month early). Young couple (like us), about 25 years old each. He is a registered Dem., she's a registered Repub. But she's only registered that way because she HAD to pick one or the other to be able to vote in the primaries. Long story short... neither of them had ever even HEARD of Ralph Nader! Or Dennis Kucinich! I'm AMAZED at how uninformed people are. They both were repeating some typical Kerry bullshit talking points (the flip flop issue for one), and the husband even says, "I just don't know about Kerry's plan to greatly reduce our number of overall troops." HUH?! I hadn't heard THAT one yet. I feel my girlfriend and I debunked some of their misgivings, but still... some people are DANGEROUSLY uninformed. And they were a pretty smart couple! And IN THE MILITARY!! Jesus.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:57 PM
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27. many people despise politics
and rightfully so!
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ulTRAX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:45 PM
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24. 50% of citizens
In the US 50% of citizens typically don't even bother to vote.

Our sense of democracy is so perverse that when Reagan got 26% of the voting age population vote... history considers that a landslide.

Our nation was built on the ideal that government derives its JUST powers from the CONSENT of the governed. It's clear that as it stands our federal system is too anti-democratic and too dysfunctional to ever have morally legitimate government.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:51 PM
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26. You've nailed a vital fact and a national shame.
Now on to dystopia!
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:58 PM
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28. People who only hold 3 political images in their mind at a time.
They don't think too hard about it. If you push them to choose, and ask them why, they will probably give you the last thing they were told about one candidate or another, or some vacuous character trait the TV set convinces them about.

Here in Texas, much of the undecided votes are people who think that Kerry's policies are right, but essentially believe that voting against the republicans is either a treasonous or non-white thing to do, and that they'd be betraying their heritage.
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Carolinian Donating Member (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 11:00 PM
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29. It was the same way in the primaries. They decided when they walked
into the booth. Some said they voted for the person that tried to win his vote at the poll. Go figure.
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