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malachibk Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 04:55 PM
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I'm freaking out.
Seriously. I haven't watched news in a week and I've only been able to last 10 minutes (max) on DU.

For the first time the possibility of "Bush inevitability" crept into my head.

Are things REALLY as dire as I fear?

I need to be talked down from the ledge, people!
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 04:57 PM
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1. Buck up
quit whining
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malachibk Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:00 PM
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5. Am I whining?
God, I hope so. It just seems the alternate reality Bushco has created really WORKS. People, God forbid the majority of people, really buy into his shit. And TV spreads the message...

I feel like Sisyphus
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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:04 PM
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11. Majority my ass get your balls in hand and go to work get out the vote.
America was not won worrying about will it work It had too. So go to it.
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malachibk Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:07 PM
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14. I'm NOT SITTING ON MY ASS!!
Jeez, who suggested I'm sitting on my ass? I just said I'M FREAKING OUT. Totally different. I'm still doing my part, but, on the inside -- I'M FREAKING OUT!
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 04:57 PM
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2. Stop, breath, be logical.
Who is suggesting bush* is inevitable?

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 04:58 PM
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3. why ? it IS possible that Bush could win
Edited on Sat Sep-18-04 04:58 PM by JI7
what we have to do is just work hard no matter what the polls show. there is no point in reassuring others of something we can't be sure of.

all i know is if we give up now we will lose for sure. but if we keep working hard we at least have a chance of winning.


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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 04:59 PM
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4. He will lose badly... go back to sleep. n/t
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mirandaod Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:00 PM
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6. There is still lots of reason to hope.
From what I've been reading, the polls are not reflecting all the new voters, and there are LOTS of them.
We still have the debates ahead of us, and I'm confident Kerry will kick *'s arse. I'm confident Edwards will come off a lot better than Cheney.
We have to keep working, getting people registered and get them to vote on 11/2.
Stop reading the polls if they're dragging you down. We have too much to do. Be brave.
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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:02 PM
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7. You live close enough to go to Jersey and get out the vote? When in
doubt do something. Now having said that I see an overwelming push to get this jackass out of office. Or jackasses I should say. It is like nothing I have ever seen in my life. I remember Reagan ugh and we were mad after 4 yrs but this is worse. I live in a rethug town and if you don't see a Kerry sticker you don't see a sticker. Kids are voting more. Today there is a push to get the women voters reg. in swing states. We are doing well but do not give up and get out the vote. And then pray or whatever it is you do do it.
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malachibk Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:03 PM
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10. I agree BUT you've reinforced my anxiety...
JERSEY IS IN PLAY. What the fuck is up with that??

I haven't given up, I'm just freaking out.
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:06 PM
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13. No, It Isn't

I can't offer you any expertise beyond that of a lawyer in my mid-thirties who lives near New Jersey, but trust me on this: it is NOT in play. Under any circumstances. Kerry will win it easily. Relax about that - - please! :)
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Grassroots Mom Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:09 PM
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15. Bad polls and paperless voting.
I worry that these skewed polls aren't setting the stage for some serious Diebold style vote stealing. Isn't New Jersey one of the states to switch to touch screens?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:16 PM
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:52 PM
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24. most people have children, families
and no matter how the mediawhore lies, people can see bush just isn't any damn good at presidenting....plus people cannot criticise bush, whereas kerry?! why 'LOOSE THE HOUNDS' as monty burns would say, and when kerry wins...they will
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:02 PM
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8. No big deal
There's Gallup, which by their own admission samples 40% Republicans, 33% Democrats and 28% Independents to arrive at their "results".

Then there's the failure of major survey companies to use any cell phone numbers. They're relying solely on landlines, which isn't the best sampling method imaginable if you're even pretending to pull in valid stats.

Needless to say, Gallup (along with the odd newspaper poll with similar results) gets mentioned time and time and time again on the cable.

Then there are all the rest of the polls, which show the race tied, or within two or three points either way - but you'll never hear Judy Woofwoof or Paula Zipper mention them even once.

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:03 PM
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9. Do some positive action
Register some good folks to vote.

Work a booth at a fair.

Write LTTE challenging some bogus talking point some freeper sent in.

Slap a Progressive bumper sticker on your car and see all the :thumbsup: you get!

Wear a Kerry tee shirt out while you run errands and see how it gives others hope and the courage to speak up.

Havocmom's first rule for fighting an attack of the heebie-geebies:
Get off your hind end, reach beyond your own mind and DO something! You'll feel better in the morning.

If you wanna sit in the dark and wallow in self pity, fine, but what do you think it will accomplish? You aren't gonna get us in there with you.
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malachibk Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:04 PM
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12. I DO do things...
Why is "freaking out" incompatible with action? I never said I was scratching my ass and freaking out, did I?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:20 PM
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20. That's great! Then all will be well!
Don't let the junta get you down. They are history, and a footnote in it at that.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:11 PM
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16. Purge that doubt, bow your back, and let's make sure the good guys win!
MUST FIGHT!

Cheers!

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:13 PM
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baltodemvet Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:14 PM
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18. Malachick, Get down from that ledge right now! You hear?
We can win this thing but we need you and you can't be much help up there.

First, get that stupid inevitability shit out of your head. The race is close but don't panic--that's a good thing, actually: an incumbent who's only in a dead heat at this point is in big trouble.

What would be dire are the consequences of a Bush victory. So get a grip and get in touch with ACT or some other group that's doing swing state phone canvassing and put in some time.

Oh yes, and send money. to ACT or the DNC or MoveOn--anyone who's really getting the job done. It's up to us.

Hope you feel better on 11/4.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:28 PM
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23. don't get yourself going with this guy
something tells me that his posting may become limited soon.
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ItsMyParty Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:21 PM
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21. Okay--unless something really blew up in the last 24 hours................
Look, CNN had Shapiro of USA Today on telling us that Gallup was, in essence, a total fuck up. He said when so many polls are run, about 1 in 20 end up being way out of whack with reality and that that is what they are thinking of the Gallup Poll (and they were part of it)! He said that truly no one knows what the dynamics this year are and thus, these weighted polls are just not really showing what is going on out there accurately. He confirmed that few use cell phone numbers and that that leaves out a lot of the young voter demographic (which, incidentally, is heavily favoring Kerry). NOW, that also makes any state Gallup polls as useless as tits on a bull just like their national survey. I'm real interested to see what they will do when their next one comes out because they made a fool out of themselves. Soooo, I assume it's Gallup and Gallup state polls that have people freaked here...correct? And to their credit, CNN and MSNBC were putting up both the Gallup and the Pew and asking the questions about Gallup being so messed up. As Shapiro says, it's after the first debates that things start to move.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:27 PM
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22. see my tread about alerting the media
we're gonna change this atmosphere...these polls are bogus
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Astrochimp Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 06:05 PM
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25. new here- could someone start a thread for me?
Sorry for the hijack- but as I am new here, I can't start threads.

For the "Kerry has no senate recored" idiots here a a couple of things he was involved in-

Kerry and the Iran-Contra Fight

Kerry's role back in the 1980s in challenging the whole Reagan
administration ties to money laundering, drug running and the Contras down
in Central America. Kerry was willing for years to face down the CIA, the
Justice Department and narco-terrorists in pursuing the dirty dealings of
the Reagan-North network of rightwing drug-linked paramilitaries.
BCCI
http://www.nathannewman.org/log/archives/000945.shtml

Washington Post, November 27, 1986
Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) charged yesterday that Attorney General Edwin Meese III and the Justice Department have shunted aside allegations of illegal transactions involving the rebels in Nicaragua for months and cannot be trusted to conduct a thorough inquiry into the secret money transfers disclosed this week.

Kerry, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said he has been conducting an investigation of "the network set up and operated by Oliver North from the National Security Council for almost a year now."

Kerry went after Oliver North more than a year before Iran-contra broke, exposing the connection between the U.S.-supported Nicaraguan contras and drug trafficking.


And----

Kerry conducted hearings into waste fraud and abuse in the RTC, the agency responsible for cleaning up the S&L scandal. (1993-94)



Jeb Bush, George Bush Sr., and his son Neil Bush have all been implicated in the Savings and Loan Scandal, which cost American tax payers over $1.4 TRILLION dollars (note that this is about one quarter of our national debt).

Jeb Bush defaulted on a $4.56 million loan from Broward Federal Savings in Sunrise, Florida. After federal regulators closed the S&L, the office building that Jeb used the $4.56 million to finance was reappraised by the regulators at $500,000, which Bush and his partners paid. The taxpayers had to pay back the remaining 4 million plus dollars.
Neil Bush was the most widely targeted member of the Bush family by the press in the S&L scandal. Neil became director of Silverado Savings and Loan at the age of 30 in 1985. Three years later the institution was belly up at a cost of $1.6 billion to tax payers to bail out. Neil Bush was charged with criminal wrongdoing in the case and ended up paying $50,000 to settle out of court.


Sorry I lost the links for the 2nd one.

This is info I posted on another board in Feb. titled "Why the Bush camp will smear Kerry." I found parts of it, while searching my PC for some old info.

I am sure we can fill in more blanks, and links, and use it for the "Kerry has no Senate recored" guys!

Thanks

David
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mellowinman Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 06:10 PM
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27. Hey!
Check out http://www.dailykos.com they are our allies, and they have a search function which sometimes works. They had an excellent thread there about Kerry's senate record. You will be surprised at the depth and thoroughness. Apparently, Kerry showed up for some votes, and had a pretty amazing career.

(it was better than Cheney's, anyway...)

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mellowinman Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 06:06 PM
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26. You need to stay off the mescaline.
It won't do you any good at all. Those bats flying out of your monitor? They aren't real. Bush taking New Jersey? No more real than the bats.

Don't let a bunch of flying mammals get you, man; it's not worth it.

1. Take valium. It'll settle things down a bit
2. Drink some Orange Juice. That always helped me, back in the day. There's never a time when Vitamin C isn't a good thing
3. Put on some early Led Zeppelin. Preferably II; that's got a good feel. If you don't have II, try "Houses of the Holy." Do NOT put on anything from the eighties by ANY band. It will make things worse. Especially stay away from Huey Lewis at all costs
4. Light some candles. Candles always help. I would suggest placing yourself between a candle and a blank wall, and casting a shadow. Now look at that shadow. What animal does it look like? Try and move and think like that animal. That is your spirit animal, and it will guide you from now on
5. Get off the internet, and shut off your TV for at least another week. Na Myoho Renge Kyo. Say that over and over. Its a mantra
6. Do you have a lover? I recommend some pretty furious sex. If you don't have a lover, I recommend some fairly gentle, slow masturbation. Perhaps in the tub
7. Once it gets dark, try and get outside if you can. A nice walk on an early fall evening can do a lot to bring the spirit back into focus. If you're in the city, look for a coffee shop that isn't Starbucks. Stay away from bars
8. If the first seven don't work, take a big club, or ping pong paddle, and beat yourself over the head until you realize that another four years of Bush, although very unpleasant, will not necessarily kill us (hopefully!) We are going to work very hard to see Kerry to the White House, and give it our every effort. There is NO inevitablity to Bush getting a second term, but we've always known it COULD happen. No one should kill themselves if it does, because we don't work for the NOW, we work for the FUTURE, get it? Do you want to live forever? Well now you can, and here's how: Write a song, or a poem, or bring a child up well. Those are just some of the many methods to immortality
9. Finally, don't take hallucenagens any more. Those days are over, man. If you want to see visions, take a nice nap, and have some good dreams, or skip lunch next Tuesday. They're putting a lot of things in those drugs that can enable them to do mind control on us, man, and we don't need that, now do we? I didn't think so

Good luck on your quest. Remember:

"mellow.... mellow.... mellow...."



AAAAAAAUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

(sometimes that helps)

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