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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 12:24 PM
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If we win in November, how do we prevent another fascist regime?
Assuming we're fortunate enough to get rid of these criminals in Nov., how do we prevent this crap that's happened ever happening again?

IMO American voters are, for the most part, morons. (How else to describe so many who are lining up to get fucked some more.)

However, assuming the Dems ever again control the congress, what laws would you suggest to prevent the kind of fascist takeover that we're so close to right now?

(Of course, if BushCo wins or steals it again, we DUers might be carrying on this conversation in Guantanamo or some local version of Abu Ghraib.)
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 12:25 PM
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1. Public education
and limited corporate control of media
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 12:27 PM
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2. Yep - and return of the Fairness Doctrine nt
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 12:30 PM
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3. Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine
and enact laws making it harder for a few people or organizations to own all media, etc.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 12:32 PM
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4. Policies
We need to get back the majority of at least the Senate to get the ball rolling. The very first thing that has to be done is passing a new Media Act. There is an urgent need to break apart this corporate hold on our entire media. It's the media who has played the largest roll in pushing this administrations policies and deflecting negatives away from shrub. They are also the ones behind these trumped up polls.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 12:34 PM
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5. the problem is in a
democracy, if the people vote for a facist regime, that's what you get.

I think the most important change we could make is to somehow alter the winner take all nature of American style democracy.

As long as 49% of the people can be rendered politically powerless, then we are doomed to face the same problems over and over again.

We need a porportional voting and power sharing system to keep the whackos at bay.
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 12:34 PM
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6. I was going to say put them all against the wall, but
I'd be accused of being a freeper. Plus I am nonviolent.

education would be good. How about some international history lessons for all skule kids? what masquerades as history nowadays is so pathetic, that it makes Nazi and Stalinist history books spotlights of honesty.

my 'phew showed me his latest 8th grade History text for his public skule. (Texas published, of course)

Viet Nam - 3 paragraphs
WWII - 3 paragraphs
Ronald Reagan - 3 pages

This wasn't history, this was People Magazine does Dallas behind the Green Door with the Devil and Ms. Jones observing. But without the exciting pictures, just the poor dialogue.

Do we really need to teach people about how Bill Gates became so rich? Is that pertinent history? Does that explain today's euro? the rise and fall of the USSR (which was covered in less than half a page) the current China - Taiwan disputes? the european-caused destruction of african tribal nations which still leads to massacres and bloody revolutions through that poor, suffering land? The Great Leap forward and Cultural revolution get NOT ONE WORD in the history book. Pol Pot? never heard of him.

No wonder people support Bush. They truly don't know any better.
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4morewars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 12:37 PM
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7. Prison for *bushco !
The repukes like to point out how they are "tough on crime" So we should oblige them ! Not to mention teach the up and coming repukes that war crimes WILL NOT be tolerated!

Campaign finance reform is long overdue! No more corporate financing of candidates. I would like to see it taken one step further, and end ALL television advertising for politicians, as it seems to corrupt the process. Why should a candidate spent $20 million to get a job that pays $150,000 ?

I could go on, but my wife wants me to go outside ! She said something about "not spending all day on that damn computer" or something like that.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 01:01 PM
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8. Here is some info on Fascism
Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

By Dr. Lawrence Britt

1.Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as
a motivational tool by the government over the
masses.

2.Religion and Government are Intertwined -
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most
common religion in the nation as a tool to
manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and
terminology is common from government leaders, even
when the major tenets of the religion are
diametrically opposed to the government's policies
or actions.

3.Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist
regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic
mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other
paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are
flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

4.Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing
power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist
government, labor unions are either eliminated
entirely, or are severely suppressed.

5.Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under
fascist regimes, the police are given almost
limitless power to enforce laws. The people are
often willing to overlook police abuses and even
forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism.
There is often a national police force with
virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

6.Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in
fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times
elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against
or even assassination of opposition candidates, use
of legislation to control voting numbers or
political district boundaries, and manipulation of
the media. Fascist nations also typically use their
judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

7.Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes
almost always are governed by groups of friends and
associates who appoint each other to government
positions and use governmental power and authority
to protect their friends from accountability. It is
not uncommon in fascist regimes for national
resources and even treasures to be appropriated or
even outright stolen by government leaders.

8.Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and
business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are
the ones who put the government leaders into power,
creating a mutually beneficial business/government
relationship and power elite.

9.Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is
directly controlled by the government, but in other
cases, the media is indirectly controlled by
government regulation, or sympathetic media
spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially
in war time, is very common.

10. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist
nations tend to be almost exclusively
male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional
gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion
and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is
represented as the ultimate guardian of the family
institution.

11.Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a
Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a
unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate
a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or
religious minorities; liberals; communists;
socialists, terrorists, etc.

12.Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist
nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility
to higher education, and academia. It is not
uncommon for professors and other academics to be
censored or even arrested. Free expression in the
arts and letters is openly attacked.

13.Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are
widespread domestic problems, the military is given
a disproportionate amount of government funding, and
the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and
military service are glamorized.

14.Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -
Because of fear of enemies and the need for
security, the people in fascist regimes are
persuaded that human rights can be ignored in
certain cases because of "need." The people tend to
look the other way or even approve of torture,
summary executions, assassinations, long
incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes
of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco
(Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin
American regimes. Britt found 14 defining
characteristics common to each:
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 01:36 PM
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9. We almost have to lose for the fascism to die.
As with Germany and Italy in WW2 (and with Japanese militarism), the disease may have to run its course. People currently don't recognize the severe damage that has been done to the country by these nitwits. They are blinded by anger and fear. We are in trouble.

If we Dems win, we will be stuck with the now-inevitable loss of the war in Iraq. The ME will continue to spiral down and terrorism to spiral up. Although it is Bush's fault, Dems in charge would be faced with the same sort of second guessing that the "We could have won Vietnam" crowd continues to spout to this day.

The Republicans, having started an unnecessary war and prosecuted it so poorly that it is now a lost cause, will blame the loss of that war on Kerry. If Bush loses, I would not be surprised to see him or his two-bit brother Jeb on the ballot again in 2008.

If we win the election, it will be good for the world for at least four years. If we lose the election, we can take some consolation in knowing that we were right and that neo-fascism and bigotry will die. Unfortunately, the death of neo-fascism may only happen when it has run its course and led to unmitigated disaster. America, for all its alleged intelligence, may have to learn about neo-fascism the hard way, God help us all.
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Algomas Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 03:19 PM
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16. Money talks...
and I fear the Dems are not much better than the Repukes at resisting the dark side. If they try to put lipstick on this pig, we will face an even more organized Repuke machine in 08, possibly fronted by Arnold. In that case, we are in for some serious Reich building.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 01:38 PM
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10. Repeal PATRIOT Act in its entirety
Close down the concentration camps, starting with the one in Guantanamo and ending with the ones in Afghanistan.

Restore Constitutional Government!
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21winner Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 01:57 PM
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11. A Soviet style dictatorship would do it.
We could sent the whole BFEE to death row. We could send the cable traitors to the new gulag. We could get rid of all the Republicans. Does that sound good to you? Not for me.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 02:01 PM
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12. Party unity
If Bush loses the R's will be primed to explode, but so will we. It's a matter of whether we can keep our shit together longer than they can. My hope is that the "impeach Kerry" movement will start Nov 3. That would help keep the left together and cement independent disgust with the excesses of the right..
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goodwalt Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 02:22 PM
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14. gerrymandering
In states like California, New York and Illinois we need to push for the same type of bull-shit gerrymandering of the congressional voting districts that was done in Texas, and sanctioned by the same 5 justices that put Bush in the Whitehouse. As distasteful and un-democratic as it seems- the Republicans have made the rules on this issue. If we don't employ the same dirty tactics, we may never regain control of the House of Representatives.
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 02:52 PM
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15. REGULATE MEDIA again!! I hope and pray that Kerry will
whip the media into shape. We must have a system of checks and balances at all times.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 03:22 PM
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17. Make a deal with the Greens to keep our side united.
Nader cost us 2000. Let's form a coalition and give the Greens enough of a say to give them a reason to back us. Most Greens have an issue about corporate influence on the Democratic Party. Let's fix that.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 03:25 PM
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18. Use USA-PATRIOT to conficate all of Fox's and NBC's assets.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 03:32 PM
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21. We are not safer with Kerry than we were under Bush if Kerry keeps
PATRIOT on the books. You might trust Big Brother, I don't!
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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 03:27 PM
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19. Using laws we have in place to make an example of these criminals.
A law that says all Bush voters watch movies like soilent green and the night of the living dead till the get it.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 03:28 PM
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20. Try these criminals for war crimes and then hang them.
I mean, hey, you want deterrence, that's a pretty strong example.

If we fail to hold these murderers accountable, you can forget about preventing it from happening again. Let's not forget that those behind JFK's assassination got away with it (Oswald the patsy notwithstanding).

And I'll just say this: if Kerry even HINTS at a pardon...which I doubt, but still...

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