BREAKING MSNBC: Lieberman will join pukes in filibuster unless PO is removed.

[Parker CA]

Just broke on MSNBC. He will join the piggies in their filibuster of the procedural vote that requires 60 to move the bill forward in the Senate.

I'd bet that either he has brokered a deal with the piggies and plans on switching to GOP affiliation, or he's posturing in an attempt to broker some deal with the Dems for some personal advantage or chairmanship.

Way to go, Joe. You now have the chance to be forever known as the man who stopped a public option from moving forward.

[Joanne98]

1. I heard it too!

[Divine Discontent]

43. then what are they gonna do to that gross piggy? They need to take his trough away!

yank him from his main committee. he's a disgusting pariah. He's supposed to be with progressives on social issues - obviously not....

[IndianaGreen]

2. Thank you Israel Lobby for helping Lieberman defeat Ned Lamont

[kristopher]

111. You mean "Thank You Bill Clinton", right?

He did more for this puke against Lamont than any one else.

[Crunchy Frog]

122. Thank you DSCC.

:mad:

[closeupready]

3. Strip him of seniority.

n/t

[emulatorloo]

4. DOES HE STILL HAVE A COMMITTEE CHAIR? THEN TAKE IT AWAY. and then strip him of his health insurance.

[IndianaGreen]

5. Obama himself intervened to keep Lieberman around, and his Homeland Security Chair

[polichick]

14. Yep - and it was plain stupid (as we all knew at the time). nt

[emulatorloo]

15. Then Obama needs to kick his ass. (Pardon my French) And Reid needs to get his ass in gear n/t

[Parker CA]

25. I have a feeling that right about now LIEberman is getting calls from the WH.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's playing this card only to gain further stature with committee responsibility and to look like he's the man when he ends up voting with the Dems.

[BklnDem75]

40. 5th post!

Knew it was coming. Obama's fault!

[IndianaGreen]

52. Don't be so ignorant! Who intervened on Holy Joe's behalf to keep his seniority and in the caucus?

It was Obama. Further, it was Obama who campaigned for Lieberman when Holy Joe was being challenged in the Democratic primary. Those are facts, deal with them!

[BklnDem75]

96. Who cares?

Blame the people that voted for him.

[karynnj]

98. Look Babara Boxer and Joe Biden also campaigned for him in the primary

It is extremely unusual to stay neutral when their is a primary challenge - only Feingold and Kerry did. Given the attacks they received from him when they had Kerry/Feingold out this was a moderate response by them. Obama supported Lamont in the general election. (Even in the primary, Obama's help was muted vs Bill Clinton's. In August right before the primary, Clinton headlined a huge rally for Liebermen and gave the best speech ever heard him give supporting another politicians - it was actually about Lieberman. He also records audio for automated calls.

[kristopher]

113. People living in glass houses...

Lieberman ran against Lamont in 2006 when Obama was running for Senate. It was Bill Clinton that saved his bacon, not Obama.

[tinrobot]

51. And now that chair can be used as leverage.

Threaten to take it away.

[Pirate Smile]

54. Lieberman would STILL be a Senator. Obama didn't make him a Senator.

We would just have 59 Senators caucusing with the Dems in the Senate instead of 60 and the same issue would still be happening.

Like Lieberman wouldn't have been a bigger dick the other way. He's a dick either way.

[jonnyblitz]

59. I have never forgotten that Obama campaigned for Lieberman

against Lamont here in CT. :o

the chickens have come home to roost!1 :patriot:

[IndianaGreen]

62. Remember Obama's pun about the 'elephant in the room'?

A lot of people found that funny, and on target.

[kristopher]

114. Really? You've never forgotten?

The race was in 2006 when Obama was also running for Senate.

"Ned Lamont has waged an impressive grassroots campaign to give the people of Connecticut a choice in the November Senate election. He has a vision for his state and country, and his campaign has been about presenting that vision to Connecticut voters.

Ned Lamont and I share a commitment to bringing our troops home safely from Iraq, to achieving energy independence, to helping all our citizens realize the American dream, and to empowering the American people to reclaim their government. Ned Lamont’s campaign is about delivering on these goals in Washington.

The November 7th election is right around the corner. Please join me in supporting Ned Lamont with your hard work on-the-ground in these closing weeks of the campaign." - Barack Obama

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/10/26/221519/73

[IndianaGreen]

115. Obama supported Lieberman during the primaries

We do remember, and we don't have to google it.

[kristopher]

117. Of course he did.

Lieberman was the incumbent Democrat; so what? When the race was run he again supported the Democrat, right?

If you want to blame someone blame Clinton - he delivered the race for Lieberman.

[RepublicanElephant]

73. bingo! nt

[Captain Hilts]

6. GOOD! Make them stand up and be counted!

[IndianaGreen]

9. Let them filibuster!

Let everyone see who is on the side of the America people, and who is on the side of the insurance industry.

[Parker CA]

17. This isn't the filibuster to vote on the bill, only to move the bill forward for vote with

the PO in it. If he stands with the GOP, we don't have the 60 to move forward.

Not sure where this leaves us. One thing for sure, LIEberman needs to be stripped of any influential position he holds.

[CrownPrinceBandar]

7. FUCKING TURNCOAT.

Joe's gotta go.

[olkaz]

8. What was that old parable about the woman nursing the snake back to health?

Seem apropos.

[polichick]

31. Don't know the parable, but I can imagine. "SNAKE" is the word for him! nt

[GoCubsGo]

104. Likening him to a snake would insult snakes

Snakes are important components of our environment. Without them, we would be up to our ears in rodents. Snakes benefit us. LIEberman, not so much.

[Jennicut]

10. Sigh. I cannot wait until 2012 to vote this asshole out here.

[LynzM]

48. Me too.

We tried hard, last time, but... He has "saved jobs in CT" by keeping the sub base here, so he's got some huge pull with particular groups, who keep him elected. Repubs voted him in, last time. UGH.

[Jennicut]

64. It was the whole sub base thing that saved his ass last time.

Blumenthal may run against him though and his poll #'s are not good right now.

I sent him a nasty email a few minutes ago, it made me feel better.

[MiniMe]

65. Since you live in Connecticut, lots of letters and phone calls

I plan on calling and emailing, but I don't live in CT, but his pukey ways affect me too.

[Jennicut]

69. Sent an email a few minutes ago. Will call today too.

I promise.

[LynzM]

76. I do call.

I honestly think it doesn't matter, he just does what he (and the Repubs who elected him last time) want. :(

[GreenPartyVoter]

120. I'll make you a deal. You guys try to get rid of Holy Joe, and we'll try

to get rid of Olympia. (Although if Rep Michaud tries to win her seat the best we'll get is another conservadem.)

So is it a deal? :D

[polichick]

11. What a lowlife. I recall him groveling to be accepted by Dems...

...following his support of McShame ~ how quickly he has forgotten!

[tekisui]

12. He has got to go. Take everything from him.

What a fuckin asshole.

[IndianaGreen]

24. And some LGBT DUers thought they could count on Holy Joe on DADT

while I was among those that repeatedly said that Lieberman could not be trusted on anything.

[wiggs]

13. make them filibuster or get PO in on reconciliation. nt

[damntexdem]

16. If he does, remove him from all committees.

Then pass the bill using reconciliation. LIEberman is worse than a Rethug -- like the proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing.

[CrownPrinceBandar]

23. Didn't Reid promise that?........

That if any Dem supported a filibuster on HCR, their committee chairs would be in danger?

[vaberella]

27. No, that's Conservadems. He's just a Rethug wannabe. n/t

[Oregone]

18. LOL. Did any Democrats back that shit bag in the general?

[Jennicut]

28. I did not but my conservative parents did. He got a ton of Rethug votes.

[Oregone]

35. I was just curious if he recieved any Democratic endorsements from the establishment

Id imagine Lamont would vote for the PO in a heart beat

[Jennicut]

63. Well Obama did and then lobbied Reid to help Lieberman keep his chairmanship

Loserman cannot be trusted and stabbed him in the back when he helped McCain. I think in this instance, Obama was way, way to nice to old Joe.

[IndianaGreen]

99. Obama was nice to Holy Joe, to Snowe, and to Rick Warren

Obama should be nice to the Democratic base and independents that got him elected, not to the aforementioned scum.

[IndianaGreen]

30. Israel's best friend in the Senate, is how he was described by AIPAC

so they send their armies to help Holy Joe against Ned Lamont, the Democratic candidate.

[bluestateguy]

50. And yet, what system does Israel have?

Right, socialized medicine!

[IndianaGreen]

56. Israel has socialized medicine and gays can serve openly in IDF

The Israel Lobby in America OTOH is very conservative.

[LeftishBrit]

80. Wonder what the Israelis would think of his opposition to a public option???

Or practically anyone else in the developed world?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

19. I hope he stands under a tree in a storm

[freddie mertz]

20. Throw him out of the caucus unless he relents.

Bastard!

[vaberella]

21. He's a special sort of shit, isn't he?! Ah well, this is going to be entertaining. n/t

[phleshdef]

22. Obama and Reid have played nice with that asshole long enough.

[WeDidIt]

26. Time to strip him of seniority and his chairmanships

End him.

Then kick his dumb ass out of the caucus.

[derby378]

29. The Senate should respond with a PO that ANYONE can join...

...and forget any mention of an "opt-out." Ned Lamont should have toasted LIEberman's hide in 2006, and he would have if Karl Rove didn't convince the Republican Party to throw their own candidate under the bus and vote for Uncle Joe instead.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

32. Ah, so NOW it's "President Lieberman"?

:mad: :argh: :nuke:

[Tom Rinaldo]

33. I hope someone organizes a mass rally in the CT State Capital

I would go for sure. I call on the CT Democratic Party to give Lieberman 48 hours to pledge to vote for cloture, then pull out all of the stops against him. Instead of a national march on Washington, lets have one on Hartford. I am dead serious about this, let's bring half a million people to Lieberman's doorstep if he personally tries to stop real health care reform from happening.

[Tom Rinaldo]

70. I just started a National Rally thread in GD

You can find it here. I can use help with K's and R's.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6867137

[Roland99]

34. Thanks, Connecticut.

:banghead:

[Jennicut]

53. Well, some of us voted against him here.

[WeDidIt]

36. Go after George Voinovich

He's retiring and is pissed off at the DeMints and McConnells in the Senate.

[rvablue]

37. Seriously, what does this jerk have to do to be removed from his chairmanship.

Senator Reid, kick him off. Replace him.

[mzmolly]

38. Agreed. You filibuster you're chairmanship is gone Joe.

:grr:

[Parker CA]

42. If he sticks to this charade and doesn't end up using it as some bargaining

chip to get more power and end up voting with the Dems, this will certainly be the last straw. He'll be left with only the option of joining the ranks of the party of NO.

Absolutely disgusting that one man would allow himself to stand in the way of the greatest potential we've ever had to move forward with a public option health care bill.

[rvablue]

79. It's also a nice ploy for a self-absorbed, whiny,

powerless nobody to get some attention from the White House and get booked on every major political show on TV.

Seriously, Leiberman, who was once our VP nominee and who also placed himself front and center on the campaign trail by endorsing McCain now doesn't get asked about anything. Nobody cares.

So, maybe, this is a ploy for some attention....unfortunately, we'll all have to be exposed to that whiny drone of his for the next couple of weeks. Yuck.

[zulchzulu]

39. Joe likes his healthcare you pay for and thinks you're not good enough to have the same

At least Lieberman is consistently an asshole. You have to give him that much...

:puke:

[Clio the Leo]

41. Ok Sen Schumer, I need you in here to talk me down....

.... I SURE hope these guys know what they're doing!

[ind_thinker2]

44. I knew before, McLiber will never vote for something important for Pres

He is Shame to the nation...

But I am sure we can negotiate with him in on something.

[bluestateguy]

45. I'm not yet prepared to accept this as a fact just yet

I need some reliable sources, and not leaked, anonymous hearsay.

Having said that, it does unfortunately sound plausible.

[IndianaGreen]

57. If you take that shit out of your ears and take the blindfolds off

you might just find out what is going on.

[Parker CA]

58. Just passing on the news from MSNBC. I hope there has been some confusion in the story

getting to their desks and then breaking, but it may be that LIEberman is now in deep negotiations with the Dems to vote with them if he gets his wish list of power grabs. I say they promise him everything, pass the bill, and then strip him of it all and toss him to the curb.

[jgraz]

46. Screw his chairmanship. Kick his traitorous ass out of the caucus.

What's the point of having 60 votes if you never get 60 votes?

[trayfoot]

47. Joe should be stripped of his chairs - IMMEDIATELY!

[eppur_se_muova]

49. FUJL! nt

[Jennicut]

55. I just wrote that piece of scum an email. I hope tons of people here in CT do that today.

Not that he will listen to us, but I got some anger out. x(

[janet118]

60. Looks like Lieberweasel was jealous . . .

of all the attention Olympia Snowe Job was getting.

Look at me!!! I'm Jumpin' Joe Lieberman. I campaigned with McCain and stabbed my old pal Bill Clinton in the back during impeachment. I practically threw the election to the Repugs in 2000 Florida with my "count all the military ballots" meme. I'm a slimy little moralistic gnome and proud of it, man. I don't care about nobody or no party except the one that takes care of me - Joe the Bummer. I hope all you insurance companies are taking note - I'm the one that is saving your profits so I expect you to save my ass by contributing to Lieberman Party.

Wheeeeeeeee!!!



Joe makes me :puke:

[phleshdef]

61. And ya know, with having to deal with this kind of bullshit, people need to get off Obama's back.

THIS is the reason we are having trouble getting real reform passed. Bullshit like THIS.

[IndianaGreen]

66. Lieberman: I'd Filibuster Final Bill Over Public Option

Lieberman: I'd Filibuster Final Bill Over Public Option

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) told reporters today that he would in fact filibuster any health care bill he doesn't agree with--and right now, he doesn't agree with the proposal making its way through the Senate.

"I told Senator Reid that I'm strongly inclined--i haven't totally decided, but I'm strongly inclined--to vote to proceed to the health care debate, even though I don't support the bill that he's bringing together because it's important that we start the debate on health care reform because I want to vote for health care reform this year. But I also told him that if the bill remains what it is now, I will not be able to support a cloture motion before final passage. Therefore I will try to stop the passage of the bill."

An independent who caucuses with Democrats, Lieberman is among a group of about a dozen moderate senators whose support Reid will need as Senate critical health care votes near.

Lieberman said he's open to the possibility of supporting a plan set up and run by the states. Lieberman said he is "open to discussing that."

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/27/lieberman-id-vote-against_n_335627.html

Lieberman: Sure, I'll filibuster a health care reform bill I don't agree with. And I don't agree with it as it is now.

In other news, Sen. Blanche Lincoln today spoke out against the public option and the bill Sen. Reid (D-NV) announced yesterday. But revealingly, she did not say one way or another how she would vote on cloture (where the Dems need 60 votes), which is the key question.

I'd say it's assumed that, if the Dems are going to win this, several of the centrist and conservative Dems will vote no on the bill itself (where they only need 50) but yes on cloture (the key vote where they need 60).

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

[Parker CA]

72. Thanks for this. I read it has LIEberman attempting a power grab with this charade.

What will all these faux-Democrats end up getting to give their vote on cloture? I say promise LIEberman the world, pass the bill, and then take it all away.

[and-justice-for-all]

67. Libermann is a piece of shit, I can not stand that snake! nt

[ind_thinker2]

68. AP is giving out a diff story, seems he will vote for Cloture and not vote in final bill

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul

[IndianaGreen]

71. No, according to TPM and Huffington, Lieberman will filibuster public option, period

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

[Dr Robert]

81. according to your reading comprehension

[IndianaGreen]

83. Stop living in denial, and stop defending that POS!

[Dr Robert]

84. nobody's defending Lieberman. just trying to get facts straight rather than trumpeting disinfo

just because it fits with your desired outcome.

Obama will sign a bill with the PO despite these efforts.

[IndianaGreen]

87. Who are you, Lieberman's proctologist?

[Dr Robert]

89. will you apologize when proven incorrect?

doubt it. you don't seem like the type to admit when they're wrong.

[GOTV]

93. I think the confusion here is that there are 2 points where filibusters are possible ....

... you can prevent a bill from coming up to debate with a filibuster and you can prevent a bill from being voted on by filibuster.

My understanding is that Lieberman said he would not filibuster to keep the bill out of debate, because he wants to see the debates and amendments, but he would filibuster to keep the bill from being voted on if he didn't like the bill in it's final form.

So is Lieberman willing filibuster? Yes and no depending on which filibuster.

[LittleBlue]

118. Lieberman isn't mentioned in your link.

[ecstatic]

74. I don't think Lieberman or any one person can stop this thing now

I'm not worried. The public pressure would be way too much for any Democrat to withstand. The public option will pass.

[Jack Rabbit]

75. Obama must be heartbroken

If Lieberman had been booted from the caucus in January, then he would have done this anyway. The only difference is that everybody would have seen it coming.

That man is scum. There's no longer any reason not to boot him. He's is now a Republican on domestic as well as foreign policy.

[phleshdef]

77. Other reports are indicating that MSNBC jumped the shark here.

[IndianaGreen]

82. How about Holy Joe's direct quote, from TPM

"But I also told him that if the bill remains what it is now, I will not be able to support a cloture motion before final passage. Therefore I will try to stop the passage of the bill."

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/lieberman-sure-id-filibuster-a-health-care-reform-bill.php?ref=fpblg

[LeftishBrit]

78. What a horrible, horrible man he does sound

It may be because I live in a country which has had eeevil socialized medicine for three generations; but not even wanting to permit a public *option* seems seriously fucked up.

[fauxnewsSUCKKKS]

85. dont play nice any more!

[Thrill]

86. Do Reid and Obama have any backbone? If they do, they would deal with this

Not holding my breath.

[Mass]

88. What a slimebag. And he needed a chairmanship to keep him in line. Really?

[thatsrightimirish]

90. Can we just use reconciliation?

I'm so sick of dealing with these idiot senate centrists.

[harun]

91. Make him actually do this, please!!!!!!

[bvar22]

92. Former Chairman of the DLC and "Centrist" darling Joe Lieberman?

And people wonder why I hate the DLC, and the political dogma of "Centrism".

"Centrism"....for people who are 1/2 Republican. :puke:

"Seeking Bi-Partisan Consensus" :puke:

[IndianaGreen]

94. He is still the DLC's darling, as is Evan Bayh

another opponent of single payer and public option.

[bvar22]

108. The REALLY bad news is this:

The DLC New Team
Progressives Need Not Apply


When Obama started picking his cabinet,
I KNEW Election 2008 was a crushing defeat for Liberals.

Evan Bayh is up for re-election in 2010.
I hope The Left can organize nationally and fund a progressive challenger to target Bayh.
Even if we can't unseat him, we should be able to make his Primary nasty enough to send a message to The Democratic Party Centrist Leadership.

Unfortunately, Rahm and the White house have co-opted most of the large Left Leaning national organizations like MoveOn who now help the Centrists further marginalize The Left.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-scahill/rahm-emanuels-think-tanke_b_185203.html

Never-the-Less, I will be donating to Bayh's opposition, and encouraging everyone else to do so.
There MUST be some Liberal in Indiana willing to challenge this piece of Centrist shit.

[Dr Robert]

95. why is this not BREAKING on MSNBC.com? they have the story, yet your headline is nowhere to be found

Don't you think they would be all over this if it was completely true??

Of course, they would. That's what they do.

If they're not going apeshit over this and running with it,
don't you think it may be a little premature for you to do so?

[Parker CA]

100. I posted immediately after hearing and seeing it on MSNBC an hour or two ago.

Take your apeshit claims somewhere else, friend.

[Dr Robert]

101. look at MSNBC.com right now. Your headline is nowhere.

They do have the story on Lieberman, but amazingly it doesn't draw the same picture that you do.

Go ahead, take a look.

It looks like this OP is more obnoxious than even the most obnoxious of reporters are willing to be.

[Parker CA]

102. Again, MSNBC the TV station, not the website, is where I heard/saw it.

You calling me out does you zero good. Enjoy your stay.

[Dr Robert]

105. why do you suppose the website, which was updated 9 minutes ago, doesn't repeat what you posted?

perhaps, some reporters are checking their facts before spreading them far and wide.

I know that we don't normally expect this from them, but for some reason they aren't spreading the latest gossip.

That tells me this is not quite as cut and dry as your OP makes it.

[Parker CA]

106. What part of "I posted it after seeing it break on MSNBC TV" don't you understand? Your incessant

whining is old. The thread is now hours old as well. If you don't like the title, post garbage until you can post OPs then post to your heart's content on whatever subject you'd like. I simply relayed what was breaking at the time on MSNBC.

Peace out, dr. 20.

[IndianaGreen]

109. Doctor Troll has been busy since he reared his head today

[Rudy Adams]

97. Anybody got an asteroid.....

...to throw at this fucking DINOsaur?

[Robbins]

103. Lieberman

What a piece of Shit.He should just call himself a Republican.Remember for years the line has been
he Is against Democrats on Foreign Policy but with them on everything else.This proves what some
here have long said that Is BS.He needs to be stripped of his chairmanship and kicked out of the
Democratic Caucus.

The Democratic Party will be In serious trouble If no public opotion Is In health Care reform.And a
Trigger Is almost as bad.It will cause low Democratic turnout In 2010.

[IndianaGreen]

107. And some LGBT DUers thought they could count on Holy Joe on DADT

Imagine that, trusting in Holy Joe...

:rofl:

[struggle4progress]

110. Hartford Courant is citing Politico. WH Press Gaggle is citing Politico.NPR is citing Politico.

The CNN quote from Lieberman is lifted from Politico. Hmmm ...

From the NY Daily News:

Mouth of the Potomac
by The Washington Bureau
October 27, 2009 3:33 PM
Lieberman Prepared to Kill Health Care »
By Michael McAuliff
... “The senator has indicated that he is inclined to vote for cloture on the motion to proceed but will oppose a final bill if it contains the public option,” said Lieberman spokesman Marshall Wittmann, speaking the language of the Senate ... http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2009/10/lieberman-prepared-to-kill-hea.html

[IndianaGreen]

116. Then there is TPM and Gibbs on Air Force One, and Tweety, and Ed Schultz

and even Harry Reid himself.

[struggle4progress]

119. Well, here's Gibbs on AF1:

... Q Politico is reporting that Joe Lieberman is saying he'll join Republicans on a filibuster. Is Obama confident he can get the Democrats to beat back a filibuster in the Senate?

MR. GIBBS: I haven't seen the report from Senator Lieberman ...

White House Press Gaggle by Robert Gibbs, October 27, 2009
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 15:00 Press Release Latest National News
http://www.enewspf.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11159:white-house-press-gaggle-by-robert-gibbs-october-27-2009&catid=88888983:latest-national-news&Itemid=88889930

[graywarrior]

112. I have nothing to say.

Except he's a colossal piece of shit.

[Colobo]

121. My thoughts and feelings, exactly.

He's a complete scumbag and he's not ashamed of it.

[olegramps]

123. He's a weasel who would have turned in his own parents to SS to save his worthless ass.

[BreweryYardRat]

125. And then been surprised when the SS came back the next day to haul HIM off.

A nasty, greasy weasel. Completely self-centered, and incapable of understanding that there may be future repercussions for acts he takes today.

[IndianaGreen]

124. In light of today's video of Lieberman saying that he will filibuster with GOP

are there any doubters about Lieberman's true character and intentions?

Too many posters tried to spin Lieberman last night to put him in the best possible light, so that the rest of you wouldn't get upset and start calling your Congressperson. That's their tactic, keep you in blissful ignorance so that you don't react and get angry. Get angry! It is your rights to universal health care (which a socialist government would have given you long ago!).

[opihimoimoi]

126. Typical GOP Trait...Decieve, lie, cheat....Joe L lied to us...he knew he was gonna turn

RAT...Republicans Are Traitors , when the RIGHT time came...

Sure enough...what we had hoped for when he announced a GOP pullout...was honesty, truth, vision, wisdom....instead, sigh...its the same game...Fool and Rule...

He Fooled us...even the President got had.....we trusted the SOB...

Granted there were many peeps who warned us about Pubs who flip...

did we listen...no...We gave benefit of the doubt...

Kindness...instead, we ghot back rudeness

THE MAN IS WITH MORALS AND CLASS

He is a piss poor American citizen...all selfinterest...Fuck Country First...its all a sham

and a waste of being a Senator...there is no "gain" from him...only pain and loss...he don't hunt as they say in Tuva

86 the dude...he ain't Shit

[Tribetime]

127. DO THE WORLD A FAVOR AND GET SICK WITHOUT INS. AND DIE