freeptards Not Too Happy With LA Times outing of "buckhead"

[Scorpious_Maximus]

ROFLMFAO!!



To: Redcoat LI

Like I've said before it doesn't matter if Karl Rove wrote the memos.

Dan Rather is the person who decided to use them against President Bush.

17 posted on 09/17/2004 3:59:07 PM PDT by federal
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1219355/posts




ROFLMFAO!!


Yeah, okay freeptard... have some more Kool Aide.

[LynnTheDem]

1. LOL!!!

They truly are sick stupid hypocritical little idiots, aren't they. No wonder they love adore worship bush; he's got to be the only human being on this planet dumber than they are.

[Scorpious_Maximus]

3. Here's another "gem"

:crazy:

To: Redcoat LI
These people are so...MSM.

They haven't figured it out yet. Their day is coming to a close. They are the walking dead and they are trying to frame things in their pre-MSM-fall world. They are getting further and further behind, more and more out of touch.

The new world of the internet and access unlimited online access 24X7 is something that has eclipsed them and represents a evolutionary leap.
32 posted on 09/17/2004 4:02:12 PM PDT by Jeff Head



same url.:puke:





Oi Gevalt...

[Clinton Crusader]

6. OK, what's MSM?

:kick:

[kskiska]

12. MSM = MainStream Media

Their little inside joke.

[yardwork]

71. I thought it must mean the Rapture

I guess I was close. }(

[Lex]

11. This guy's going to have a hard November 3rd, methinks. nt

[LynnTheDem]

32. This from the same idiots...

who still think Jessica Lynch went down firing her rifle...Saddam did 911...we haven't lost any jobs under bush...everyone benefits from bush's tax cuts...millions of Iraqis toppled the Saddam statue after tossing flowers & choccie at our troops...all is loverly in Iraq and all Iraqis are grateful to us and love us...and you can wage war against an emotion.

Children have more brains, more logic, more common sense and more factual knowledge than the rightwingnuttery do.

[ParanoidPat]

62. It sounds like opposable thumbs would be an "evolutionary leap".....

.....for Jeff Head! :evilgrin:

[napi21]

2. I must have missed something. Last post I read on buckhead,

DUers were trying to figure out who it was. I read this board all the time, but I must have missed the one about outing him. Who is Buckhead?

[Scorpious_Maximus]

4. LA Times

Blogger Who Faulted CBS Documents Is Conservative Activist
By Peter Wallsten
Times Staff Writer

3:18 PM PDT, September 17, 2004

WASHINGTON — It was the first public allegation that CBS News used forged memos in its report questioning President Bush's National Guard service — a highly technical explanation posted within hours of airtime citing proportional spacing and font styles.

But it did not come from an expert in typography or typewriter history as some first thought. Instead, it was the work of Harry W. MacDougald, an Atlanta lawyer with strong ties to conservative Republican causes who helped draft the petition urging the Arkansas Supreme Court to disbar President Clinton after the Monica Lewinsky scandal, the Times has found.

The identity of "Buckhead," a blogger known previously only by his screen name on the site freerepublic.com and lifted to folk hero status in the conservative blogosphere since last week's posting, is likely to fuel speculation among Democrats that the efforts to discredit the CBS memos were engineered by Republicans eager to undermine reports that Bush received preferential treatment in the National Guard more than 30 years ago.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/2004/la-091704buckhead_lat,1,6735493,print.story?coll=la-home-headlines

[CatWoman]

5. ............

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/2004/la-091704buckhead_lat,1,494535.story?coll=la-home-headlines

[Clinton Crusader]

7. PRICELESS!!!!

Like I've said before it doesn't matter if Karl Rove wrote the memos.
:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
:kick:

[AmerDem]

8. Too Funny!

repukes!

[Scorpious_Maximus]

9. emailed link to CBS - Does it now get interesting???

[cheshire]

10. They are saying the same thing as Dems are. Rove did it. Must be true.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

13. Here's his bio from his law firm's website

http://www.wcsr.com/FSL5CS/lawyers/lawyers1450.asp

And Buckhead's photo:

[burythehatchet]

14. from his bio

"Drafted petition to disbar William Jefferson Clinton filed by L. Lynn Hogue."

What a dipshit.

[DoYouEverWonder]

17. He does seem to be a bit of a wacko

Here's one of his rants that I found on another forum. He's also a member of the Fulton Country Board of Elections. He thinks touch screens are just peachy.


Urban Legends

Harry MacDougald, November 26, 2002, 2:38 pm
Your riff on the Vichy Congress, and the large craters to be left by Administration's security policies suggest you pine for the halcyon days of yore when Comrade Clinton, a/k/a The Sink Emperor, was at the helm. As for Vichy Congresses, there were 2 democrat senators who publicly stated that Clinton's conduct warranted impeachment, and then, with all the martial vigor of a french cheese eating surrender monkey (but I repeat myself), voted to acquit. I speak of those paragons of senatorial courage, learning and non-viagra-induced rectitude, Robert "I'm saving the Constitution" Byrd, and Daniel Patrick Moyhnihan. Trent "Vacant" Lott, of Lott's Doctrine of Preemptive Capitulation, was only too happy to service all democrat demands at that time or any other. And, as for craters, there's one on Liberty Street in lower Manhattan that is the legacy of Clinton's feckless photo-op foreign policy, pursuant to which he (1) blew up a perfectly innocent aspirin factory in Khartoum in supposed retaliation for the East African bombings, because such a man of honor would never, ever stoop to wagging the dog while his plump and stained appliance waddled in and out of the grand jury, and (2) turned down the Sudan's offer of Osama on a platter, among many other psychotic eruptions during his presidency. The miserable wretch of a blade is a dullard indeed if he prefers the priapic perjurer as president to the current occupant, who actually puts duty above self, something Clinton cannot comprehend, much less accomplish himself. Double check those meds, dude!


http://www.macedition.com/scripts/showmessage.php?articleid=1177&postid=2728&threadid=2728

[burythehatchet]

22. Well it is a good think that these cockroaches see the light of day

I for one will burn the image of his mug as I tool around Atlanta.

[karlrschneider]

49. "priapic perjurer"?? This guy is a flaccid fuckwad.

:grr:


Wingnuts don't hold the patent on alliteration. ;-)

[Scairp]

59. What a surprise

He's a complete wacko.

[janx]

63. So was he part of the Arkansas Project?

Would Brock know who he is?

[merh]

15. Yuck!

What a creep - how do you like his credentials? How can he be proud of this and post it?

"Alford v. Osei-Kwasi, 203 Ga.App. 716, 418 S.E.2d 79 (1992). Successfully defended jail officer who used a taser on a six month pregnant inmate."

Don't pro-lifers have a problem with this type of action or is abuse of a pregnant woman okay - just do not abort the child?

[yardwork]

73. It's ok to kill the woman - just don't abort the child.

It might be male, you see.

[Joanne98]

38. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA............

Oh Gawd! That's too funny!!!!!!

[Kierkegaard]

41. He really should change his name to "Dickhead"

[merbex]

42. Looks more like peckerhead

[Just Me]

50. Oh. Well, now I have some compassion for this extremely insecure,..

,...individual.

Until he evolves,...he will always feel compelled to be an asshole in order to overcome his inner sense of incompetency and insecurity and powerlessness.

Meanwhile, instead of being powerful and courageous in contributing towards something greater than himself,...he will be consumed in destroying others in order to feel a false sense of omnipotence.

It's a damned waste of human potential.

:cry:

[Carni]

51. What a friggin GOON

Is being an ugly dork a requirement to be a Bush supporter/apologist?

[candy331]

101. I believe he has a problem with his gayness, seems he wants

to remain in the closet though..

[RevCheesehead]

98. um...looks like Harold Ramis to me!

(Ghostbusters, don'cha know!)

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[vetwife]

45. Hey Grasswire, I still think he and Barr were giving marching orders !

to Buckhead then probably outed him !...I know this area pretty well and it all stems in this locale. West Ga. University ...Remember...how we were holding it to the 7th district. Which is now the 8th after redsitricting.

[girl gone mad]

53. Give yourself and us some credit, grasswire..

I'll bet the LA Times used some of our research.

We identified him as an Atlanta attorney and a GOP insider, a member of the Federalist Society, A Brown University and University of Georgia grad...

lol.. what did LA times do again?

[janx]

18. Is Buckhead hiding under his bed? Look at this freep post:

To: Luis Gonzalez; Buckhead
I don't know about y'all, but I'm getting worried about Buckhead. He hasn't posted since the 15th.

Buckhead? You doing OK?



341 posted on 09/17/2004 5:11:57 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">Hatriotism)



Where'd he go? Why won't he post in freeperland anymore?

[Scorpious_Maximus]

20. Nope - He's fair game now. (nt)

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[merh]

23. You don't have to do anything.

Move along, nothing of interest for you here.

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[bobbyboucher]

26. Nothing, duh.

But he is an GOP insider who came up with all that info pretty darn quick. Can you say "complicit"? I knew you could.

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[janx]

55. He didn't expose anything.

http://www.prweek.com/news/news_story_free.cfm?ID=222586&site=3

Two DC firms ramp up efforts over latest presidential controversies

WASHINGTON: Two DC PR agencies eagerly fanned the flames of election-year scandal last week - one for the left and one for the right.



Creative Response Concepts (CRC), the VA-based agency promoting the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, used right-wing blogs and news sites to turn a CBS report casting doubt on President George W. Bush's National Guard service into a potential black eye for both the network and the Democrats.

A CRC client, the Cybercast News Service (CNS), was among the first to voice suspicion that documents suggesting Bush had received preferential treatment in the Guard were forgeries.

"After the CBS story aired, called typographical experts, got them on the record that these papers were fishy, and posted a story by 3pm Thursday," said CRC SVP Keith Appell. "We were immediately in contact with Drudge, who loved the story."

(More at link.) ;-)

[janx]

21. Another one:

To: RandallFlagg
I hope he's doing okay. He may be keeping a low profile until this storm blows over.

I think if I were him I'd ask Jim for a new account name and retire Buckhead.



348 posted on 09/17/2004 5:13:57 PM PDT by Sally'sConcerns (It's painless to be a monthly donor!)

[A-Schwarzenegger]

24. I'm the only person in the world

who believes the memos are real, true & not forgeries.

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[Scorpious_Maximus]

27. Perspective on what? (nt)

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[Scorpious_Maximus]

35. I don't think your viewpoint would be welcome here...

But I can only speak for myself.

You won't find anyone here who is really going to be interested in that.

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[BootinUp]

44. If the viewpoints are expressed in non inflammatory ways

Then I don't think you would be booted out. However the moderators may suggest the discussion is taken to another site. Eitherway, there are plenty of people here that would be willing to debate politics with you. :)

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[bo44]

60. Commander Shitstain

A certain mumbling bumbling son of a eastern establishment family with historical business ties to Adolf Hitler, the Bin Laden Family, Saddam Hussein, and the Iran Contra Scandal is wiping his ass with the Constitution to the cheers of a large number of scared little weasels. Weasels who cannot stomach life without their warped sense of privilege and entitlement and who will countenance any number of global thuggery and parsimony as long as it is dressed up in apocalyptic biblical incantations.

[BootinUp]

66. You can do better than that, LOL. n/t

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[BootinUp]

54. You haven't said anything controversial yet, lol n/t

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[BootinUp]

64. I actually don't believe that, not on an ideological level

I'll try to say this in as few words as possible:

The corporate media looks after their interests, they would be stupid not too. Some reporters do show their ideological bias but that is different from the corporate policy. In general they want to make money and that is the bias you can always identify. It is what has lead to the sensational garbage news coverage we have today. The proof is probably in the battle over the recent FCC rules changes. People from the left and the right fought it.

In the old days, the major networks were proud of the fact they lost money in their news departments. They did real investigative reporting too. That is awful rare these days.

[qanda]

46. Well, what does ABB mean then?

Or is that just a part of your healthy curiosity?

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[cheshire]

28. Hey welcome and enjoy.

[bobbyboucher]

29. Hey, did you hear about the Reds?

Communists.

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[JPJones]

68. Then you should refuse your veterans and social security benefits

if you believe in self-sufficiency.

Why don't you try comparing the defense budget to the budget for TANF. It is aid for poor CHILDREN. What do you think Jesus would think about your position? "I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me." Sorry, but the Churches are unreliable in helping the worst off in our society, so don't give me that crap.

Furthermore, by supporting George Bush, you are complicit in an immoral war, that the Pope denounced in the strongest terms. “A war would be a defeat for humanity and would be neither morally nor legally justified,” the Pope told Bush in a papal message delivered last week by a special envoy. “It is an unjust war.”
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=15&num=1904

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[Cheswick2.0]

79. cop out

This war is unjust. What do you think Jesus would say about THIS war?
Do you think he would be happy about bombing people to exploit their natural resources?

Please don't cop out again and say "we could argue about that all day".

Abortion is not just about the fetus, it is also about the pregnant woman and she comes first. The bible says life begins when you take your first breath. So don't try and use abortion as a way to prove your anti death creds.

Let's talk about war and imperialism.

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[JPJones]

90. Take a look at your war on terror -> 1000 Osama Bin Ladens

His shirtsleeves soaked in blood from carrying his injured child, a man waits for word on the fate of his child, brought to the hospital Friday Sept.17 2004, after sustaining injuries during U.S. airstrikes late Thursday night and early Friday morning in Fallujah, Iraq


Doctors try to revive baby Abdul Khalil after he sustained fatal injuries during an air raid in Fallujah, Iraq

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

92. You "beleive".

I know for a fact you will say that Iraq isn't connected to terror. But I happen to beleive fully that they were.

You "beleive" it to be true, without being able to provide evidence, and therefore the debate is over, according to you. If you think it is OK to invade and kill on your FAITH without evidence there can be no debate.

You might "beleive" that Bush is the best President in history. If you can't provide evidence for any of that what is the point of your coming to this board to "debate" your "beleifs" (sp)?:shrug:

[Crunchy Frog]

97. I expect that the Russians

are actually going to use that doctrine to further an agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with fighting terror. For example, they may use it as an excuse to invade Georgia, and to intimidate other former Soviet republics.

Anyway, I doubt very much that your president approves of Putin adopting his doctrine. That's the problem with the doctrine. Anyone can adopt it and use it as an excuse to attack other countries, even if the real agenda is something completely different than fighting terrorism.

It replaces international law with Might Makes Right, and the law of the jungle. Even you will surely admit that in a world crawling with nukes, that is a very dangerous situation.

Please consider doing the patriotic thing and voting for Kerry. The world will be a much safer place with him running things. If, God forbid, we get attacked again, at least he won't sit around for ages reading a book about a goat. And if he gets warnings about a possible imminent attack, he will do something about it instead of going on vacation for a month.

[mreh]

116. Oh yeah, terrorists are put on notice - that is why our efforts in

Afghanistan were diverted to Iraq. That gave them notice alright. They noticed again what a bunch of liars and cons we are. Jeez, you would think you would come up with better RW talking points.

Use your imagination, I know your prez and his cabinet have, no facts support their imaginative concepts that SH and Iraq were tied to terrorism and 9/11. Anyone who was familiar with the area (which of course the admin was not, Condi was "expecting the next crisis out of China" and she was a scholar of the soviet threats) knows that SH hated Usama and vice-a-versa. The only tie they shared was their contempt for the Saudi Royal family.

The evil, the be headings and the terror training continues in Saudi and Pakistan, but they are our friends, our allies. :puke:

Please get your facts together and support your lame statements with facts, if you can.

[BootinUp]

70. Cool (long post)

I am more of a moderate democrat, raised catholic, white collar and I think that the dem party didn't leave you, rather, it is more likely you have been given the wrong information by an incredible propoganda machine.

Democrats have a great history of defending our country and leading during times of war. The great majority of democrats got behind George Bush at the time we launched the invasion of Afghanistan. And many gave him the benefit of the doubt when he took a hard line with Iraq. Where we split was when he used a lot of language that caused rifts with our allies "Your either with us or against us" etc. And he set a deadline for going in before the inspectors could complete their mission.

On Welfare, I think if you check the record, you will find that Clinton touted welfare reform in his campaign in '92, and his administration changed rules which led to a slowdown of the growth of welfare.

I also think self sufficiency is an important part of being an American. If we are to debate tax policy and economics, then sooner or later we are going to have to delve into statistics that could be slanted to favor the view of whoever assembled them. Without going there yet, I believe that most Americans should have their economic situation improving. That should be the measure of a strong economy. If only a few percent are benefiting, than I would argue that we are seeing an economy move back in time to some sort of 2 class system. I have seen studies and statistics that show we are moving in the wrong direction.

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[BootinUp]

76. What are our defense spending priorities?

We are all subject to propoganda ;)

Is it missile defense like Rumsfeld and Bush wanted prior to 9/11? Is it Iraq? Is it more troops? Kerry wants to add 2 divisions and double our special forces.

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[BootinUp]

83. Fine, we have to rely on others to develop those policies

But in this election, we have a choice between and administration that wants to spend money to revamp our military in ways they have not explained, and Kerry who has spelled out his defense priorities pretty clearly.

We have a choice between an administration that decided to ignore State Department and intelligence reports that predicted the current situ in Iraq, and Kerry who supported Bush on defense until the Bush went on his PNAC adventure. You know about PNAC?

I think you should tell us what the democrats did that made you think they are weak on defense? And if you are relying on Zell Miller's opinion, I am sure I can successfully rebut Zell.

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[BootinUp]

89. Likewise

See ya around. ;)

[BootinUp]

78. "it was a republican bill" [welfare reform]

Now I must take issue with that. It was a Bi-Partisan bill. I mean he (Clinton) ran on welfare reform, surely he communicated waht kind of bill he would sign, and then he signed it. But you don't want to give Bill C. any credit at all?

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[SemiCharmedQuark]

87. See?

I don't think you're a Freeper. While Freeper does technically mean someone from Free REpublic, it carries a different connotation. For one thing a Freeper wouldn't even be curious. A freeper is someone who will not tolerate any sort of discussion on a subject and will go to extremes to support their views. Violent extremes if necessary.

[antigone382]

102. Well, where do I start?

As far as bottomless pits go, Bush has plunged us into a record 10 trillion dollar deficit, and I know for a fact not all of that, or even part of that, has gone into defense spending. Clinton left us with a record surplus (and sure, you could say that that's because of Reagan or because of the Republican-dominated Congress, but Bush has had a Republican-dominated Congress as well and it hasn't helped him.) Bush's fiscal irresponsibility, in essence combining record tax cuts (80% of which went to the top 20%) with incredibly bloated spending, far outpaces any bottomless pit caused by social programs.

As far as terrorism goes, you can believe that Iraq was connected to terrorism all you want, and it doesn't make it so. The fact is that terrorism worldwide has increased under the Bush administration, that there are more people signing up to be terrorists, and that this administration has been altogether ineffective in actually protecting us from terrorism at home, by not instituting the protections in our airports, etc. that would actually do something at home.

Another important issue in defending America from Terrorism is finding alternative energy programs so that we don't have to rely on Middle Eastern Oil. Because nearly everyone in the Bush administration relies heavily on Oil profits, that isn't going to happen in this administration.

And as far as fascism goes, I suggest you look up the characteristics of fascism, and compare them to what's going on in this country right now. It's pretty chilling.
And I've only just begun.

[antigone382]

108. I have to ask

Why haven't you commented on those pictures? If you're going to support Bush, you need to explain the justification for the death and injuries to those children.

Yes, we could have been bullies after WWII, but we didn't have Bush in office.

If you're going to say that there was a connection between Iraq and terorrism, don't tell me that it's an agree/disagree issue. It's a "where's your proof?" issue. So where is it?

[mreh]

117. We cannot even contain one of the two nations that we

attacked and invaded and not occupy (contrary to the RW propoganda, we do not control Afghanistan). Now, thanks to the clown-n-chief and his ineffectiveness and his false war on terror, we are seen as a weak nation. Our military is stretched far too thin, if the chinese, communist or slamic nations feel threatened, they will have every right to take the preemptive measures that the clown touts as his doctrine. We are not a world leader, we are no longer trusted, we are seen as a weak and unstable nation.

You need to open your eyes to the reality of this admin and its poor choices.

[0rganism]

74. Looks like you could be a centrist Democrat

> I'm conservative,

The current republican party is NOT fiscally conservative, unless you buy into the Norquist plan of spending up the debt to the point where defense contracts and interest to T-bill holders are all we can afford -- i.e., the utter destruction of government through irresponsibility.

> Catholic,

The Pope strongly argued against bush's actions in Iraq. Keep that in mind, please.

> Veteran,

If you think Veterans deserve benefits, you might want to rethink supporting bush, who has made a hobby of defunding VA services at a time when we're bringing a new batch of veterans.

> white collar America

You like having a job, yes? bush wouldn't think twice about letting your job go overseas, if it lets him take in an additional big campaign donation. It's all about quid-pro-quo with the top republicans and the politicians they buy. Well, maybe you're at the top of the income heap, and it doesn't matter to you anyway, but for a lot of us white-collar workers, bush is the worst thing to happen in our lifetimes.

> I think the democratic party left me to go to the Republican party many years ago

Maybe it did. Are you racist? Do you believe in segregation? Are you a Strom Thurmond kind of guy? Those folks all jumped to the other side in 1968 as part of Nixon's "southern strategy".

> I want my taxes to go to strong defense

Guess what? They do. Over half of your FIT goes to paying for the military actions, past, present and future. Isn't that enough?

> I give charitable contributions to my church

Catholic charities are some of the best, but we can't build solid infrastructure with charity alone. Government is a pretty good deal when you want to get things like bridges and highways built and regularly maintained.

> My views lean toward self sufficiency

So, can we send all the people who are incapable of self-sufficiency to camp in your front yard?

> I take a stance against welfare because just a little bit very soon becomes too much

I'm not sure what that means, but Clinton did more to reform welfare to require job-related activity than any republican president ever did. I'm not saying I like what Clinton did to welfare -- it was far too nasty for my taste -- but you really should take a look at how the modern Democrats have triangulated to accomodate positions of fiscal and social responsibility.

At the very least, you should read Pat Buchanan's critique of the republican party, Where the Right Went Wrong, before you waste your 2004 vote on the most wastrel dolt ever to occupy the Oval Office.

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[grasswire]

81. what does this all have to do with Buckhead?

Hm?

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[grasswire]

100. no....

..but you're doing a bangup job of hijacking a thread.

[BootinUp]

103. sorry about the hi-jacking

But how often do we get a shot at a Bush supporter that obviously is asking himself questions. It was too good to pass up.

[grasswire]

106. I wasn't grumbling about you, Jim

It just appeared to me that this "guest" very deliberately went about disturbing the conversation. I've seen their technique on other message boards. Over at salon.com, the caution used to be "Don't feed the energy critter" -- meaning that they eat up our energy through mindless quibblings.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

86. Don't you take issue with Bush's stamping out of free speech?

Did you see that woman arrested OUTSIDE of a public event (Mrs. Bush's speech) without being told what she was being charged with and without being read her Miranda rights. Isn't that what you fought to protect? How can anyone defend that? How can you defend "loyalty oaths" and "free speech zones"?

[0rganism]

93. No you don't. They are lying to you, big time.

> To jobs, this was going to happen no matter who was president

Indeed, it was happening to our manufacturing infrastructure during the term of Bush Sr. But it didn't hit the "white collar" workers until bush jr. took office. Think about that.

> No...but we know what we have to do to get them back

There are 3 things that can happen to bring the jobs back. One is that the corrupt 3rd-world economies to which we've exported them will suddenly reform, enacting minimum wage laws and environmental regulations comparable to what we have here. Snowball's chance in hell, if you ask me, but it's the usual justification we get from the companies involved in taking advantage of low-wage workers.

The second possibility is that we tighten up on outsourcing and let the federal government take a strong hand in compensating for cheap labor abuse with higher tariffs. This is close to what Sen. Kerry has proposed.

The third, and most likely long-term possibility, is that American labor and environmental standards will be revoked, and American working conditions will become directly comparable to those of developing countries. There's a good argument to be made that this is inevitable, and may even be globally healthy in the long term. However, nothing has been done to prepare America for the economic hardship we will face during the adjustment cycle.

> We have to be competitive and take advantage of opportunities.
> We have to develop a smarter workforce.

You've been mythed. Sorry. When there are 200 applicants for a couple welding jobs, and the employer is drawing applications out of a hat, it doesn't matter how smart or competetive the welders are. But I grant you, that's the line the neoconservatives are pushing.

> We have to adapt and adjust

In other words, we can be just like the South American countries we abuse. How poetic.

> When I wore that uniform, I represented Americans, not Dem or Repub.

When Sen. Kerry put on that uniform, he represented the same things you claim you did. When W put on his uniform, he was representing exactly ONE person: himself. The way bush gets military and vets to swoon over his pompous aspirations to valor is really amazing to me. But I guess you have your reasons.

Look. You originally said you came here for perspective -- in particular, to expand your perspective. Either you're serious about this or you're not. Blowing it off by saying "you-said-I-said" isn't going to help you with perspective, and you probably won't be convincing anyone here to vote republican. So either you think about why you're here, and try to understand what we're saying, or else you're wasting our time and your own by summarily dismissing the contradictions in what you believe and what we say as intractible.

If you've come for a disagreement, that's down the hall and to your left.

[Crunchy Frog]

94. Hi, and welcome to DU.

I won't alert on you, but I do expect that you will be banned in fairly short order, even if you're on your best behavior. If you want to know why, you should look carefully at the rules for the forum.

This is not a place for liberals and conservatives to debate politics, it is a place for Democrats and other progressives to discuss issues amongst ourselves.

I respect your beliefs, even if I find them incomprehensible.:) If your looking to get a different perspective, it is possible to browse this messageboard without registering.

I'm just giving you a heads up so that your tombstoning won't come as a total shock to you, but it is spelled out pretty clearly in the message board rules.

I hope you find your stay here productive, and that maybe you will expand your horizons a little.:hi:

[mreh]

109. How can you admire Kennedy and still like *?

If * were the prez during the Cuban Missile Crisis we would probably not be here today. A true leader does not attack for the fun of attacking and does not wage war based on lies. The shrub's "preemptive doctrine" is not something that Kennedy would agree with. It was Kennedy's restraint, discipline and experience with war that saved us from nuclear war in the '60's. Thank god the shrub was not our prez during that time.

Study the Kennedy and try to compare the shrub to him, you will find there is no comparison.

You left the party, it did not leave you.

[mreh]

110. Chrisitianity and catholism do not share you view of

"self sufficiency". To the contrary, the core of the faiths/religious is to do for the less fortunate. Feed the hungry, cloth the naked, visit the sick and imprisioned, clearly all liberal concepts. Again, it is you that left the party, not vice-a-versa.

[ContinentalOp]

39. No, I still think they are real.

They aren't the documents that the secretary typed because they are duplicates typed by Killian himself at home. When cleaning out Bush's records, the repuke operatives destroyed the other copies that his secretary did type so Rove knew that these were not "the originals." If true, that's the real story where this is all leading. The Bush Campaign/Administration (Adminipain? Campstration?) had one of their lackeys jump on these documents immediately after their release because, having been involved in the coverup destroying the originals, they knew these docs couldn't be legit. But oops, they didn't know there was another set out there. It's a possibility.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

61. "they are duplicates typed by Killian"

Typed when? And typed from WHAT? Memory? Not. I might buy they
are typed from the originals back then (1997), but I doubt
it because he would have had to pluck them from the trash,
go type them, then put the originals back in the trash.
Why not just keep the originals, since they were already
in the trash and nobody was going to inventory them.
If he kept the originals he took from the trash, then
why type duplicates? And if he typed them from the originals
now or recently, then he still has them or they are still around.
I just cant see how this guy can keep his mouth shut if he is
the source.

[Qutzupalotl]

91. He made backups because he was dealing with the Bush family.

They have a way of saying, "Hello, nice to meet you! We know who you are and where you live! Have a nice day!"

Killian was truly covering his ass. He had his secretary type up the documents that he wrote. Then, after hours, typed backups, just in case she turned against him, or the documents were destroyed. He was bending the rules for Bush, after all.

Good thing he made his backups, too, because those originals that Knox typed? Nowhere to be found. What does that tell you?

[ContinentalOp]

96. Yep, that's what I meant. Seems like the simplest explanation to me. nt

[ContinentalOp]

95. I think they are contemporary with the "original" docs.

"Typed when? And typed from WHAT? Memory? Not. I might buy they
are typed from the originals back then (1997),"

No, I meant that they were typed at the same time (early '70s) as the "originals." In other words, they are both real. There were copies typed by his secretary and copies kept at home as a personal "journal" (his secretary's words). This is the only explanation I can see that doesn't involve messing with a forged signature.

"but I doubt it because he would have had to pluck them from the trash, go type them, then put the originals back in the trash."

I think you're talking about the other guy (can't remember his name but it begins with a B) who witnessed the document purge and is thought to be the source of the memos. I agree that he wouldn't have recreated the documents from memory, forged Killians signature, and convinced CBS that they were legit. But here is a possible explanation for that angle: Someone does have the originals and CBS has seen them. The docs shown on TV and in the pdfs were recreations that were re-typed to remove someone's name (didn't the secretary hint at this?). But CBS stands by them because they have seen the originals and know where they are. This explanation seems flawed to me though.

[Catt03]

72. I believe they are real

when a "buckhead" is the admitted instigator of the claims of forgery and fake, then it adds more credibility to the obvious. They are real.

Read the man's resume for God's sake. He is a Ted Olson wannabe.

What really is incredulous is that the media appears to have picked up the information from this site and published it as fact with no reference about where they initially got the information.

There should be a modern term like the old "yellow journalism"to describe the incompetent, lazy, uneducated, weak media.

[antigone382]

105. No you're not

I'm with ya, bud.

[qanda]

40. It's because they are so busted...

And perhaps they are finally catching on.

[rndmprsn]

58. HAHA

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

65. He wrote an amicus brief before the Supreme Court to disbar Clinton

His name's right on it at the bottom.

http://southeasternlegal.org/ClintonAmicusBrief110701.html

[Julian English]

99. Picture and everything

http://www.wcsr.com/FSL5CS/Lawyers/lawyers1450.asp

[Clinton Crusader]

111. Sweet Moses, that's Buckhead??

NOT what I imagined....
:kick:

[fishnfla]

112. That man has a face for the internet

eom

[GimmeDANEger]

104. wow

we were completely off the ball with Randolph Evans! I guess we learned he's still scary, nonetheless.

[grasswire]

107. not too far off....

....just not close enough to ID. The last thing some of us said last night was "there something not quite right with the Evans possibility."

Now I wish that I had looked more carefully at political donations. That might have narrowed it down. I did early on in the hunt, but from a different angle that turned up nothing.

[yardwork]

114. I think that finding out about Evans was valuable

There appear to be a zillion right-wing attorneys currently operating in a no-man's land blurring legal advice, political strategizing, and business marketing. They are the nexus where politics, business, and influence peddling merge.

[grasswire]

115. now we have a new path to research

Tom Mortensen. Bitter Swiftie. He is the one who handed off the Killian story to Powerline Blog, in the wee hours. See my new thread.