Kerry should call for Rather to resign

[radiclib]

It's way too late in the game to deal with the kind of bullshit brought forth by the "forgery" controversy, and the candidate must seperate himself immediately and move on. According to the media echo machine, there is no doubt the documents are bogus, and the notion that Rather and CBS conspired to concoct a bogus story to "bring down the Presidency" is gaining momentum thanks to wingnut gasbags like Pat Buchanan who dominate the news media. Like it or not, CBS and Rather are widely perceived as liberally biased, and Rather's mainstream cred went down a rabbit hole years ago with "What's the frequency, Kenneth?". Now he's seen by most Americans, fairly or not, as making the idiotic claim that authenticity doesn't matter, as long as the statements are true. Oh, really? That'll play big in Peoria.
The only way this doesn't soil the Kerry campaign, perhaps fatally, is if Kerry disavows the whole fiasco in the strongest possible terms, i.e. calling for Rather to step down gracefully before he's taken away by the men from the home.
Flame away, my friends.

[unfrigginreal]

1. What a dumb idea

[Cha]

4. I second that!

[Rick Myers]

21. To paraphrase Jon Stewart...

Whaaaa??????:shrug::shrug::shrug:

[Seabiscuit]

I'll third that!

The moral of this story is don't fuck with Dan Rather. He's already come back blazing with his interview with Bush's supervisor's secretary, who did *not* claim, as falsely reported in the Repuke media that the documents were "fake" or "forgeries", she merely said (1) she didn't personally type them, and (2) everything the memos contained rang true, in her personal experience.

Rather closed the program by poignantly pointing out that all of CBS' critics were focusing on the authenticity of the documents, yet not one of the Bush administration people or their media sycophants has dared to claim that the contents of the documents are false.

[LittleClarkie]

93. Sold American!

I believe we have quarum. All in agreement say aye!

[MissB]

2. Eh? Kerry has nothing to do with this. (nt)

[drdigi420]

3. you'd have a great point, if...

... the documents were forged

[pocoloco]

5. Bullshit!!

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. This post has no merit

[candy331]

24. Dan and CBS can take care of their own selves, if they screwed up then

(and I still say if) then they should clean up, Kerry and no other Dem has to clean up behind a corporation.

[XanaDUer]

7. No, I don't think so.

...

[enigmatic]

8. I won't flame you...

I'll just point and laugh hysterically..

[blondeatlast]

10. Me, too. nt

[enigmatic]

Hey, I lived in Phoenix, too!

I miss it sometimes, but not in the summer..

[skooooo]

9. uhhhh no.

[GreatScott]

11. I think everybody should forget about the documents

I want to know what's going to happen with our soldiers in Iraq

[hlthe2b]

Yeah, right. We don't stand for freedom of the press as Dems, do we?

I think this idea can be batted right back directly at the RW pundits, who undoubtedly are planting it as a talking point...:eyes:


"Flame away, my friends"-- is that YOU, Jeff Christie?! Did Daryn throw you out already?!

[donheld]

12. real dumb idea

:spank::shrug::thumbsdown::dunce::think:

[senseandsensibility]

13. No! Absolutely not!

Kerry has no business telling Rather to resign when he doesn't know what facts Rather is privy to. Why would he want to involve himself in this? That's crazy.

[Joylaughter]

14. Wait a while

Let's see what happens next week. The Judge has ordered the release of any remaining unrelased docs regarding *'s guard servous. That means we'll have a Turr alert or something on the day they are due or some other distraction but let's waith for the deadline and see what develops. I think Dan Rather is a hero for standing up the lynch mob. First they try to ridicule the truth, then they try to destroy the truth, finally they will hail the truth.

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[blondeatlast]

37. Damn, I wish I'd said that. Excellent! nt

[radiclib]

55. Here's an idea

If your going to make an accusation like that, why not offer an explaination of how it would benefit the freeper cause to make a post like mine?
Hey, call me an asshole or an idiot, but freepers fightin' words.:spank:

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[A-Schwarzenegger]

74. Yeah, "radiclib." You so subtle.

[mbali]

83. I don't know any radical liberal who calls themselves a radical liberal

[BurtWorm]

16. No he shouldn't.

Kerry should continue looking the other way. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The only people who care about the "forgery" "scandal" are the media and the right wing. The polls seem to indicate that the voters are more interested in what's happening to the country now.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

17. You're so lucky to have the Preznit share his wacky tobacky with you.

But, no.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

107. LOL

:toast:

[IndianaGreen]

18. Kerry should put a long distance between himself and CBS News

Dan Rather chose to make himself radioactive by not checking his sources properly. CBS will deal with this situation according to their bottom line.

[emulatorloo]

19. Go have a drink or something, and step away from the keyboard

Take a break and get some fresh air.

[liberalmuse]

20. Kerry should call for Bush to resign.

Rather is at least reporting the truth about AWOL Bush, forgeries or no. The memos don't mean a damn thing, because the basic gist of it is that Bush did not serve and bloated his ANG record, even lied about it. And then he turns around and has the AUDACITY to criticize a real war hero, someone who served his country and served it well, both during and after his tour.

Rather has been one of the few 'journalists' willing to go out on a limb and actually criticize the stinking pile of dog turd posing as the President.

Anyway, I care more about Bush's dismal record over the past 4 years. Kerry absolutely needs to concentrate on what is happening in this country NOW.

[AuntPatsy]

22. I would much rather bush be impeached....

[radiclib]

41. We all need to concentrate on what's happening now

That's why this story has to go away. It's a non-starter. It didn't work four years ago, and even if Rather is to be credited for "reporting the truth about AWOL Bush", using questionable documents undermined his case. Don't you get that?

[MissB]

47. Do you get that Kerry has nothing to do with the story?

And therefore doesn't need to distance himself from it.

[AmerDem]

23. This post has to be nominated as the

most worthless piece of shit of the month!

[blondeatlast]

39. There are some great comebacks in it, though. nt

[dogman]

25. Are you nucking futs?

What does any of this have to do with Kerry? If he's going to ask for resignations he should start with B$$$ and work through this administration.

[EthanAllenVt]

26. No! No! No!

Dan Rather is our next Walter Cronkite and he is correct to say it is the message in the memos even if they are forged that needs attention. We must not let him be railroaded for exposing the truth!

[MissB]

35. They're forged? Really?

Wow. Perhaps you could provide a link?

[unfrigginreal]

42. LOL...shhh...it's trying to be clever

[EthanAllenVt]

44. I don't think they are forged nor did I say they were

Dan Rather himself said if they were then he would be the first to report it. I believe him. He is right to say the information in the memos is what counts and NOT IF THEY ARE FORGED. Understand?

[MissB]

51. You did put it a bit better the second time around

Your first post is a big run-on sentence that makes it sound like you are convinced they are forged. :shrug:

[EthanAllenVt]

54. Sorry...it's past my bedtime but I'm fired up to help Kerry

I'll try better to phrase my support for Kerry or just go to bed where I belong right now :-)

[radiclib]

59. Oh now I see

So every time I want to prove something I believe to be true, I can forge a document to that effect, then point to it as proof? Wow, that's really neat!

[mountainvue]

76. That's right.

They're trying to put the fix in on Rather. It's disgusting.

[iwantmycountryback]

27. How amazingly stupid

[Gyre]

28. Flame away, my friends.

I won't. It's a theory. The stakes couldn't be higher. Kerry isn't a mud-fighter but it's possible he could do what you suggest. I watched him tonight on McNeil/Lehrer and it's like he's totally in his head. That is not the kind of person most Americans can relate to. It's almost like what is being said only matters if you're selling to a thinker. The rest (non-thinkers I guess) respond to people and things they can relate to on a personal level. Bush looks like a person we all recognize, sort of an Eddie Haskel but with $$$ and parents that didn't give a shit. Kerry doesn't present like anybody the average American's ever met. And, He doesn't get pissed; that's a problem.

That's MY theory. Flame away my friends.

Gyre

[mountainvue]

78. I'd rather have a guy

that's "totally in his head" than totally out of his head. I don't think you give American voters enough credit here.

[Guaranteed]

29. DUMB...AS...HELL. NT

[maverick hombre]

111. FREEPER?

Is this an example of what you folks call a "freeper"? Something like a "troll" or flame war starter? Forgive me, but I'm kinda new at the terminology.

[Lefta Dissenter]

30. So let's see,

Rather has a report on his show - it's about bush, and has nothing whatsoever to do with John Kerry. Some people are questioning the validity of the documents used in the story, so John Kerry, who has absolutely nothing to do with this whole thing, should call on Dan Rather to resign.

Suuuuuuuuuuure, that makes a helluvalotta sense to me :eyes:

Hey, I have an idea, why doesn't bush, who was involved in the story, come forward and explain why there appears to be a gaping hole in his military records. That would put this whole thing to rest!

[EST]

52. Naaah-not that. Makes too much sense.

_________________

[blondeatlast]

64. It's been said before, but I'll parrot it: Rove is slipping;

his slips are showing!

[yardwork]

90. ROTFL!!!!

[physaf]

31. You make some sense here

it seems that fighting this is getting no where. time to cut losses.

[buff2]

32. That's bullshit

Someone finally puts the damn truth out there and you want them to resign. Geesus... :eyes:

[Gman]

33. I'm having trouble deciding if this post is disrupting or not

it definitely makes no sense and is counter productive to everything we're doing.

Why don't you address the fact that 1) Bush has yet to say the information in the memo's is not factual and 2) Bush has yet to address Killian's secretary's devastating 60 Minutes interview.

[speedoo]

34. I know, I know... you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Right?

Get yourself a grip.

[still_one]

36. WHAT DOES KERRY HAVE TO DO WITH CBS!!!

He should stay out of it...

There are much more important issues to deal with

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[radiclib]

48. You're probably right, it is going too far

But he needs to make a statement distancing himself, because whether he has anything to do with it or not, the perception of a crime being committed on his behalf is probably not too good for his campaign.
And thanks for contributing something other than insults.

[blondeatlast]

65. He had NOTHING to do with it; why should he get involved???

:eyes:

[Tarheel_Dem]

69. geez.......you two should hook up sometime...........

:eyes:

DUMBEST POST EVER............

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[Tarheel_Dem]

86. i could give a shit what your MOMMA taught you........

but mine taught me to recognize stupidity & perpetrators when i came across them.

[WI_DEM]

40. I don't think so

There is a lot of merit in the CBS Story and the 86 y.o. secretary backs up the substance of the story even if she doesn't recall typing the doucuments. Does that make them a forgery? No, I think not.

[Stew225]

60. point of order: the secretary recalls NOT typing them. eom

[blondeatlast]

43. Karl, is that you? You really are slipping, if so. nt

[are_we_united_yet]

45. Uhhhhh

No. I don't think so.

[gauguin57]

46. Have you been smoking some of that dime bag you bought

from Laura Bush?

[readmylips]

49. Rush Lumball...is that you?

bad idea Mr. That's not Kerry's fight even if the repigs are all over TV pinning it on Kerry, since they're afraid of Dan Rather. Dan Rather will come back and kick their asses. He needs to clear his name from this character assassination coming from bush and criminals, and from all those so called journalist pretty boys.

[bitchkitty]

50. Are you on crack? n/t

[procopia]

53. What about the news journalists who were fooled by

non-existent WMD? Should they resign too?

[blondeatlast]

66. Excellent point. nt

[ogradda]

56. i dont think so

n/t

[rowire]

57. Bad Idea

First of all, the crux of Rather's story is true regardless of the memos. Second, Kerry had nothing to do with the story.

[blondeatlast]

71. Welcome to DU!

:toast:

[yardwork]

91. rowire - welcome to DU!

[Torgo Johnson]

58. How is this Rather's fault ??/?

First of all,

Your quote,

" Rather's mainstream cred went down a rabbit hole years ago with "What's the frequency, Kenneth? " "

What does being attacked by a nutcase have to do with mainstream credibility ?? Would Rather be redeemed if the guy who attacked him had said "give me your wallet" ?

Second of all,

Dan Rather's job at CBS is not to verify documents, it is to anchor the newscasts. Someone else at CBS is responsible for verifying documents and
Rather had no reason to not trust the verifiers. If they messed up, it is the fault on the people at CBS News who hired them, not Dan Rather or John Kerry for the matter. The right-wing shills would blame John Kerry
for Hurricane Ivan if they thought they could get away with it. The fact that Buchanan could write a book bashing Bush and then kiss his ass on national TV proves what a whore Pat really is.

If the docs are forgeries, some heads should roll at CBS ,but leave Dan Rather alone. His job is to tell the news, not verify every single piece of it. There is no proof John Kerry is behind these documents. Until there is, he does not have to demand anything.

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[zulchzulu]

62. Welcome to Planet Earth

No, we don't automatically allow for rogue accusations be considered truth. Ok, we do.

You are a pedophile who has been screwing squirrels!

Cease! Desist! You are UNDER ARREST!!!!!

[DBtv]

67. Lots of time in the lounge getting to 500?

Couldn't wait til 1000 to stick your foot in your ass (then in your mouth)?

[Bluebear]

68. What does Kerry have to do with a private news network?

[Scorpious_Maximus]

72. Um.. yeah... whatever... n/t

[GreenArrow]

73. No, he

shouldn't.

[w4rma]

75. LOL!!! (nt)

[AlCzervik]

77. Kerry has nothing to do with Bush's self imposed problem with CBS

Kerry shouldn't have to address it, it doesn't involve him.

[mbali]

79. Did anyone even suggest that Bush should demand that any reporter

resign after covering the Swift Boat Liars?

[AuntPatsy]

81. Of course not, but there is a big difference, your allowed to go

after Kerry through whatever means possible, but Bush is off limits...I think it's a new law...

[mbali]

84. Ohhhhhh. Thanks for 'splainin'

[shivaji]

80. Exactly right....Rather/Forgery are sucking oxygen out of Kerry

cuz Kerry is not dominating the news...it is Rathergate...
The sooner it gets off MSM, more air time will be freed up
for Kerry/Edwards.

But ofcourse K/E can't wave a magic wand and make it go away.
Which is why your idea is the next best thing.

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[are_we_united_yet]

85. OK

Thanks for that helpful post. Take care.

[unfrigginreal]

87. Gee, thanks for the advice

you sound like someone that we really should listen to.

Get lost you Fascist Fuckwad!

[are_we_united_yet]

88. Succint!

I'm not sure he read between the lines on my post above.

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[Tarheel_Dem]

97. you still here??????????

btw, do you have any recent backup for this statement? i mean can you provide a reputable source, link, etc.?

"while continuing to ignore the 20 year trend of declining Democratic voter registration and increasing Independent/Republican voter registration, especially evident now among the 18-29 age group."

i find this hard to believe.

[unfrigginreal]

106. You're welcome you Fascist Fuckwad

enjoy your stay.

[Tarheel_Dem]

89. "moderate"..........yeah right

you guys are all over this board since the over inflated polls have come back down to earth. :boring:

[jim5360]

96. You mean like this THIS poll?

Bush clear leader in poll
By Susan Page, USA TODAY, Sept. 16, 2004
WASHINGTON — President Bush has surged to a 13-point lead over Sen. John Kerry among likely voters, a new Gallup Poll shows. The 55%-42% match-up is the first statistically significant edge either candidate has held this year. (Related item: Poll results)

The boost President Bush received from the Republican convention has increased.
By Jim Mone, AP

Among registered voters, Bush is ahead 52%-44%.

The boost Bush received from the Republican convention has increased rather than dissipated, reshaping a race that for months has been nearly tied. Kerry is facing warnings from Democrats that his campaign is seriously off-track.

[Tarheel_Dem]

99. can you find another (outlier) like this?

i think most of us on this board know what to expect from time/gallup/cnn polls. most reputable polls have this race dead even again, but i suspect you know that, don't you? Click below:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x827453

[Torgo Johnson]

102. Real nice sig there (sarcasm)

Christian scholar Jerry Falwell: "What we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be minuscule if, in fact, God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve. The ACLU has got to take a lot of blame for this. And I know I'll hear from them for this, but throwing God...successfully with the help of the federal court system...throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad...I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the thing in their face and say you helped this happen."

Oh yeah by the way, the two of the most vile attempts at religious conversion, the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades, were both led by Christians. Religious fanaticism is bad regardless of the religion.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

109. Am I too late?

I'm always too late!

[yardwork]

92. Rather-gate?????? Your name is Rather-gate????

I am dying here!!! Seriously, I am on the floor. I'm laughing so hard I can barely type........

[Andromeda]

101. Buh, bye...

don't let the door hit you in the ass.

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[jbm]

104. LOLOLOL

buh-bye

[Cogito ergo doleo]

95. What color is the sky in your world?n/t

[Kimber Scott]

98. When did Kerry take over CBS News?

nt

[vetwife]

100. When Bush's tip or pigs fly..Take your pick ! One gutsy anchorman

and you suggest he resign? We want to get more in the media like him not less !

[Tarheel_Dem]

105. Amen Vetwife.....

n/t

[agincourt]

108. Better yet,

just stay the heck and gone out of a rove planted gotcha. No one will vote for him for turning on Dan. Best advice , don't step in the pile.

[sampsonblk]

110. He should call on BUSH to resign - nt

nt

[saracat]

112. Then don't ever whine about a free media again!

BTW And FOX and ALL its anchors are not "preceived as widely biased'?

[AntiFascist]

113. So what if CBS accidently pulled a Fox?

They still have a far superior news organization. The others don't deserve the attention people are giving them.

[JSJ]

114. rather lost 'cred' because he was mugged? did i get that right?