No-Show for medical exam: another document surfaces

[shooga]

http://www.geocities.com/jdombrasqu/AWOL2.html

[Goldmund]

1. That's been out for a while

and you posted it yesterday too, didn't you?

[shooga]

2. Rather Not

why didn't Rather show this one ... this seems to tell it all ... are they building up to something ... if so, they better hurry up.

[Goldmund]

3. I think there's a general consensus...

...that he didn't show up for his medical exam. The Bush campaign doesn't dispute that -- and they imply there was some sort of an arrangement between the NG and *, or that this was simply *'s choice. The new thing in the CBS Killian documents was that he was directly ordered to take that exam, and he refused. That's, at least, my undrestanding of it.

[trueblew]

4. Hmmm...

So, Bath AND Bush disobeyed direct verbal orders from their Commander for a physical.

Both buddies decided to screw with the system and not give a pee test?

Bush has called into question every guard's service.


The lie about this one will have to be very very spectacular.

[RivetJoint]

10. Where does it say they disobeyed

direct verbal orders?

[KansDem]

14. "not give a pee test" LOL

Yeah, George, "urine" trouble now...!!!

[struggle4progress]

18. Musta been a lotta nose candy around. eom

[newyawker99]

33. Hi rstein68!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Paradise]

5. site unavailable! n/t

[struggle4progress]

22. Overloaded when you visited? I had no trouble. eom

[Paradise]

35. thanks. :) n/t

[rawstory]

6. Dammit, did anyone download the image?

How stupid that I didn't.

[rawstory]

7. If anyone has another copy, I can mirror it

Just PM me.

[Willy Mugobeer]

8. Marty Heldt has had that one on his site since 2000...

...here:



the version with Bath's name redacted is on USAToday at http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/11-4_2004_Personnel_File.pdf .

[fob]

13. Isn't that the same one shown in F9/11 where Moore shows the

version above and the version with james bath's name redacted?

[newyawker99]

34. Hi Willy Mugobeer!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[n2mark]

9. My take

Here is my take on this....CBS has the originals, Rove sent the fakes to Rather, Rather knows these are fakes, but these fakes are being used to smoke out Rove. I find it strange that Rather would interview the secretary on his program for her to say she thought these documents were forgeries. Actually, Rather asked her more then once about the forgeries, then she mentions a diary. Maybe CBS has the diary. Although the secretary verified the information I think Rather is too smart to know this is not enough after all he has been investigating this for four or five years. I think Rather wants to prove that Rove sent these so called papers to him -- he is giving every opportunity to allow Rove and company to say these papers are forgeries. My impression he was emphasizing the papers were forgeries just as much as the contents. He also knows there are some documents missing -- proof now the WH has more documents available after I don't know how many times, they keep saying they turned them all over but all of a sudden more are found.

When interviewing the secretary Rather was very confident (almost smug).

I believe he is holding a lot back.

Go Dan Rather!

[RivetJoint]

11. Wish you were right

But it's pretty obvious Rather FUed big time. If he KNEW they were fake, and presented them as real, then he lied. That's just the wrong think to do. Why damage your credibility and why KEEP on doing it when it's obvious the documents are fakes?

[robbedvoter]

12. No one FU-ed, nothing is fake. Nice try, though. W is still AWOL

[RivetJoint]

15. I agree

He defintely seems guilty of failure to go.

Those documents, however, are bogus. Way too many errors in them to be real.

[shooga]

17. Rather knows that ...

... the man is not stupid .... he is falling on the sword to get this war-monger out of office ... and take Rove down with him ... I think Rather is a patriot.

[RivetJoint]

20. Rather is not doing that

He would not KEEP saying the documents are true if he knew they were not.

[annabanana]

23. actually, he hasn't..........

He's said he want to be the one to break the story if evidence can be introduced that PROVES that they are false.........

And anyway, he says, the information in them is true.

[RivetJoint]

26. Actually, he has.

He continues to say he stands by the authenticity of the docs.

If the docs are frauds, then one would need other, authentic docs, or notes from the dead Lt Col to make the claim that the info in them is true.

[SemperEadem]

29. the docs he's allowing to be broadcast probably are fake

in an effort to trip up bushco, but I doubt that Viacom's lawyers would let him go to air with bullshit and risk the financial hit to the stockholders. There is too much money at stake to be that reckless.

And Rather isn't like the cable-cabal... innuendo, insinuation and speculation passing for evidence... We don't know all there is to know, so it's too soon to be howling about fakes---Rather hasn't tipped his hand yet.

[RivetJoint]

30. So you think they'd (the lawyers)

would allow him to go on air with fake documents, on purpose, as some part of an eloborate sting? No way.

[SemperEadem]

31. when it comes to the media state

I put nothing past any of them.

Besides, I for one, don't believe that the documents are fake just because some are crying about it. Typical rethuglican tactics--cry about anything that throws offal on their boy.

[bearfan454]

19. That's right.

Awol * was AWOL. There is no denying that. He did NOT fufill his duty to the country. He is an ultra right wing neocon facist nazi oil whore.

[bobbyboucher]

28. What a surprise.

More water.

[shooga]

16. I agree...

... KKKarl Rove overstepped himself this time.

[stubertmcfly]

27. i totally agree...

i suspect that these forgeries are, in fact, forgeries. i suspect that they were leaked by the GOP in order to create the belief that CBS is untrustworthy on not only this issue, but any others in which they have criticized the administration in the past. this all just seems way too intentional to me.

[Bread and Circus]

21. This reminds me of crime family "gangsterism"...

It seems so familiar to the Crime Boss ploy who is committing crimes and even though everyone knows he's guilty, they can't pin the rap on him due to some technicality.

This whole the "documents are true, but they are not authentic" defense is preposterous.

[annabanana]

24. fire with fire, I guess........n/t

[annabanana]

25. fire with fire, I guess........n/t

[TrueAmerican]

32. Very Interesting

Even thou I've seen this one before.

I was under the impression that Bath was suspended before Bush. But Bush was actually suspended prior to Bath. Bush 1 Aug 72 and Bath 1 Sep 72.

Very interesting.