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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 06:48 AM
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Top reasons to vote for Jr
1. Getting inspectors back in Iraq

Passing a unanimous Security Council resolution and furthermore d getting Hussein to cooperate with it was a great accomplishment. But Bush blew it by not having the patience to follow through and panicked, for whatever reason you or he may choose. He abandoned his success and embraced failure.

2. Overthrowing the taliban
The Taliban allied themselves with those who attacked us. Deposing the Taliban's grasp on the region was awesome. The Taliban are turds. But Junior got impatient and completely blew it when he didn't follow through. The Taliban and al Qaeda control and roam free in large areas of Afghanistan. If the upcoming Afghani election is not delayed yet again, every newspaper in the world will be running front page articles that contain the words Afghanistan, election, explosion and violence. Bush gave up on his initial sucess.

3. Policy of granting temporary amnesty for undocumented workers from Mexico
These workers are indeed contributing to our economy and deserve to enjoy the protections and benefits they deserve as well as pay full taxes. It wass a step in the right direction - the stated policy should not be condemned. But again, Bush isn't interested in following through.

4. Starting the Israel/Palesting peace process back up as part of the "Quartet" and voicing support for a "two state" solution.
Undeniably good things on their own. But guess what. Yup, he didn't persevere when the going got tough. He gave up.

Bush is a quitter.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 07:08 AM
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1. First of all, bu$h wanted the Iraq war from the get-go
He didn't panic, he became impatient because he knew the UN inspectors would find nothing and that would deprive him of his war and enhanced status as "war president" (sic)

Number 2: What proof, besides grainy videos with questionable actors and translations, has there ever been offered that the Taliban "allied themselves with those who attacked us"? Who, exactly, did attack us? Some guy hiding out in a cave in one of the most primitive countries in the world?

Number 3: Yeah, undocumented workers provide real services, like keeping wages low. And bringing gang activity to places which never had it before. I've seen it up close and personal. Sorry, but I can't agree with #3.

Number 4: He never showed any real inclination toward any kind of resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Never. Just like he showed no interest in continuing Clinton's work toward peaceful resolutions in Northern Ireland and the Korean Peninsula. The man wants peace as much as my dog wants worms.
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 07:18 AM
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2. #3
If the law required that undocumented workers recieve full pay and benefits, there'd be no incentive for business to exploit them, and thus no incentive for non-citizens to be here illegally. That would make our borders less porous.
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 04:27 PM
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5. um
1. Are you suggesting getting inspectors back in Iraq was a bad idea?

2. I believe the press reports that said the Taliban's position was that OBL al Qaeda was their guest.

3. The point is that all workers should enjoy the protections of our laws. Granting amnesty for immigration violations is a step in that direction and that's what Jr said he wanted to do, even if he denied he was calling it "amnesty".

4. If you're condemning Jr on what I described, you're condemning the rest of the quartet.

It seems to me like you're stretching to deny that the dope has done a few things right, even if they were part of an agenda to fail in the end. I do believe that attitude is harmful. If you acknowledge that Jr has abandoned the few successes he has had, it makes him worse that if he'd never succeeded on these issues in the first place.

I'm thinking in terms of the national debate. Everyone can agree that restarting inspections in Iraq was a good thing. But it was Bush's fault the inspections stopped. That turns a positive into a negative. It's just recognizing reality.

here's another.

5. Bush joined the TANG to serve the country. But he didn't show up for duty.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 07:18 AM
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3. only if you're really really STUPID.
Edited on Thu Sep-16-04 07:19 AM by LynnTheDem
Stupid people vote for bush.

1. Bush KICKED OUT the UN weapons inspectors, resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands of people, including so far 1023 dead and 21,000 wounded of our own; loss of $200 billion so far; worldwide loss of respect.

2. Overthrowing WHOM? You mean the Taleban that bush gave a gift of $40 million of our money to in August 2001? The same Taleban that bush's handpicked puppet Karzai wants BACK in government positions because "only a handful of Taleban are bad guys"? THOSE Taleban?

3. Sort of like that policy of allowing TERRORISTS to come live in the USA, like the TERRORISTS bush allowed into Florida this week.

4. Like bush telling Israel to go ahead and keep the Gaza strip. Why play games pretending, let's just tell the world flat out; America is biased towards their Israeli master & doesn't give a flying about Palestinian men, women or children. THAT oughta make us "safer".

bush is a quitter, a fraidy cat, a pathological liar, and an incompetant inadequate little weasel who KNOWS he's an incompetant inadequate little weasel. Oh yeah, and he's a deserter.
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 04:14 PM
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4. Well, we agree, right?
Bush has abandoned or screwed up everything he started to do right. That is my point.
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