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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 12:36 PM
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We are down, but there is still time
Sorry, but we need to get around the fact that right now, we are down. Even the poll I was CLINGING on to (Run by a repub, but still was close) has slipped to several points apart. That is CERTAINLY NOT TO SAY we are done, we have PLENTY of time. But we won't come back if we can't get around the fact that we are behind. Everyone now is saying 'polls are snapshots' etc., but when Kerry was ahead in these polls we were ready to break out the champagne. My advice: get off of your asses and do something for the campaign. We ARE behind, and we NEED everyone's help.

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bigpathpaul Donating Member (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 12:45 PM
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1. I'm not sure we're down
Granted, it doesn't look great, but I'm still hopeful. But, even if we were 20 points ahead, I don't think that should change our strategy. Despite the widespread notion that most voters have already decided, I think and hope there are a good block of voters waiting to be swayed. My feeling is that a constant effort to 1) diminish Bush/Cheney's standing by continually stating (what's obvious to us) that they have no integrity and no credibility; and 2) attacking offensively on jobs, healthcare, national security. I think that if we can hammer home the differences and there is a clear choice, we can win.









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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 03:26 PM
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6. great stuff! thanks, and wlcm to DU!


you stupid vets for *, WHAT are you thinking?
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 12:54 PM
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2. Things can and will change; check out this info
http://www.emergingdemocraticmajorityweblog.com/donkeyrising/

September 16, 2004

Persuadable Voters Still Not Persuaded
Even as Bush has opened up a small lead in the national polls--and I've tried to offer some evidence in my posts that this lead is underwhelming--evidence has been accumulating that he remains weak among the kind of independent and swing voters he needs to form an electoral majority.

In fact, the Annenberg Election Survey has just released data that indicate, while Bush made some small gains among the overall electorate when comparing the pre-GOP convention and post-GOP convention periods, he has actually lost ground among "persuadable voters" (those voters who are undecided or who say there is a "good chance" they could change their mind about the candidate they currently support).

For example, Bush's favorability rating fell from 47 percent favorable/30 percent unfavorable among persuadables in August (August 9-29) to 43/33 after the GOP convention (September 3-12). And Kerry's rating among this group actually has gone up: from 36/25 to 43/25 (now somewhat better than Bush's).

In addition, Bush's overall job rating among persuadables is now 44 percent approval/49 percent disapproval; his job rating on the economy is 32/63 and his job rating on Iraq is 34/59. Even his job rating on terrorism is only 50/41. And all of these ratings are now lower among persuadables, not higher, than they were in August

Bush has also lost significant ground among persuadables since August on some key candidate characteristics including "cares about people like me", "shares my values", "out of touch with people like me", "stubborn" and "arrogant". These voters are now more liikely, not less likely, to think the positive attributes apply to Kerry and the negative attributes to Bush.

In short, the persuadables aren't persuaded and appear to be ripe for Democratic gains. What's the key? One possibility is Iraq. Persuadables are now less convinced than ever that Bush has a clear plan for bringing the situation in Iraq to a successful conclusion--just 17 percent now think so. Unfortunately, only 15 percent of persuadables think Kerry has such a plan--not much of a difference and not even one in Kerry's favor.

Make that difference a big one in Kerry's favor and Bush's weakness among persuadables could translate into big gains for the Democratic ticket.


Posted by Ruy Teixeira at 12:51 AM | link | Comments (25)


September 15, 2004

Kerry Holds Strong Lead in MN
A new Minneapolis Star-Tribune Poll conducted Sept. 10-13 has John Kerry leading George Bush 50-41 among Minnesota LV's, with 1 percent for other and 8 percent unsure.


Posted by EDM Staff at 04:16 PM | link | Comments (40)


Kerry Up by 7 in Michigan
John Kerry leads George Bush 50-43 percent among Michigan RV's, with 1 percent for Nader and 6 percent neither/unsure, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll conducted Sept. 10-13.


Posted by EDM Staff at 03:52 PM | link | Comments (5)


Now Available: Latest Democracy Corps Analysis By Stanley Greenberg and James Carville
The latest strategy analysis by Democracy Corps is now available on the D-corps website. The report is based on Democracy Corps September 6-9 survey of 1004 likely voters and features an extended analysis by leading strategists Stanley Greenberg and James Carville of where the campaign now stands and what the polling data suggests Kerry should do. Here are a few key excerpts:

1. The president has a lead of about 5 points, if we look at the average of all the public polls done after the convention; the Democracy Corps poll completed last Thursday shows the president with a 3-point lead. In any case, Bush is at 49 percent with the former estimate and 48 in our survey. At the height of Bush’s convention bounce, he is just at the edge of electability. His position is simply not that strong. If his bounce recedes, as it did for Kerry, and if Kerry takes the race to Bush, the president could easily be endangered again.

2. A majority of the country still wants change. By 53 to 41 percent, voters think the country is headed in the wrong direction; by 51 to 46 percent, they want to go in a significantly different direction than Bush. The mood for change is even greater among independents (57 to 35 percent) and battleground state voters (55 to 40 percent). 14 percent of the electorate is comprised of Bush voters thinking things are going wrong.

3. Part of the stability of this race are the grave doubts voters feel about George Bush. These doubts about Bush are largely undiminished in the last month: Bush favors corporate interests over the public interest (60 percent serious doubts), is too ready to go to war (58 percent), spending too much abroad and neglecting home (54 percent), and made mistakes in Iraq that shortchange America at home (54 percent).

4. While Bush has gained on having plans for Iraq and it bringing more security, a stable majority says the war was not worth it. Just 43 percent believe we are making progress there, and this is before recent developments in Iraq, with increased fighting.

5. And on the economy, voters by nearly two-to-one reject Bush’s assertion that the middle class is making gains .... Bush could not be more out of sync, even as he is compelled to make the case for progress.

Posted by EDM Staff at 02:27 PM | link | Comments
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 12:55 PM
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3. We should campaign as if we are behind
But I'm not sure where you get the "we are behind" from. :shrug:
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 01:01 PM
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4. Harris, Investors Daily, Fox all show it neck and neck
I think Rasmussen is the poll you were "clinging" to went to 4-points. It is meaningful if it is lasts but if it is a temporary blip then it is meaningless as these tracking polls will fluctuate.

But you are correct we do need to do all we can to help win this very close election.
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21winner Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 03:06 PM
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5. So was HST.
The left and the right deserted,but he still won.
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 03:30 PM
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7. We're not down anymore.
Polls are starting to come out that show the race neck and neck again. We've got the momentum again, but this time, we CAN'T let go of it. We need to hit them with everything we've got, and I've got a feeling that's what Kerry is planning to do.

I'm not worried anymore about polls anyway. The media is corrupt, beyond a shadow of a doubt. All I'm focused on is the fight.
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mbali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 03:30 PM
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8. What makes you think we're down? Because Tweety keeps saying so?
We are NOT down! We are neck and neck with a sitting president in the middle of a war who has spent nearly $100 million sliming Kerry.

Please don't buy the hype - look at the facts!
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 03:32 PM
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9. Harris has us up by one and Pew has us tied both released today
Plus ARG has alot of good results from State polls including Colorado where they have it 46-45 Bush/Kerry.
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