Kerry Just Dropped the DRAFT BOMB!!!

[Beetwasher]

Kerry: Draft Likely to Return Under Bush

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites), citing the war in Iraq (news - web sites) and other trouble spots in the world, raised the possibility Wednesday that a military draft could be reinstated if voters re-elect President Bush (news - web sites).

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=703&e=2&u=/ap/20040922/ap_on_el_pr/kerry

Right on schedule! WoooHoo!!!

Make the pig fuckers choke on their denial of this!

[Roland99]

1. Even if the draft won't happen...

strike fear into the hearts of the young and energize them to vote the shrub out!

[LiberalBushFan]

15. The "even if" is not necessary

the draft will happen under Bush.

[Carla in Ca]

19. Exactly, Roland99!

It can't be proven or disproved. A perfect talking point!

[Killarney]

2. OH SNAP!

They're going to claim fear mongering, but they're doing the same thing.

[Dems Will Win]

8. DRAFT?!?! Did someone say DRAFT?!?!

PRINT THE PDF: http://somnamblst.tripod.com/draftalert.pdf
HANG THIS FLYER EVERYWHERE

This is a SPECIAL MILITARY DRAFT ALERT. In May, the Seattle Post Intelligencer published an article about a document they received through the Freedom of Information Act. It was revealed that the SSS is currently “designing procedures” for the implementation of a “Skills Draft” and had held a top-level meeting on it with Deputy Undersecretaries at the Defense Department. This draft would change the essential mission of the Selective Service and require “virtually every young American”, male and female ages 18-34, to register for the Skills Draft and list all the occupations they are proficient in to fill labor shortages throughout nearly the entire government. If enacted, the Skills Draft proposed in this FOI-recovered document would change America as we know it.

The Pentagon is suffering from immediate labor shortages. Recently, the inactive Ready Reserve had to be called up for the first time since the Gulf War to fill 5,600 job shortages in the Armed Forces. DoD said in the recent IRR callup “20% of the call-ups are truck drivers, 12% are supply specialists who can use a computer to track supplies, 10% are Humvee mechanics, 7% are administrative specialists and 6% are combat engineers” (USA Today, August 8, 2004).

Although Congress would have to approve new legislation to create a Skills Draft or reinstate the combat draft, Family Circle reported in its July 13 issue that Karl Rove has polled GOP members of Congress in September 2002 to see if they would support the President if he requests reinstatement. The Republicans said they would vote for the draft. They would likely support the new legislation needed to create the Skills Draft. While Bush and the Republicans are of course keeping the return of the draft and the new skills draft as quiet as possible, many anti-draft organizations have recently begun warning of a “Coming New Draft”.

The Issue Paper document was revealed through the Freedom of Information Act by Seattle Post Intelligencer reporter Eric Rosenberg, who wrote a partial explanation of it that was printed May 1, 2004.

(http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/171522_draft01.html)

Rosenberg’s article was edited, however, and some key points about this document were omitted in the published article. What follows is a full explanation of the document and links to the document itself.

The Secret Issue Paper can be viewed at: http://blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf

[MostlyLurks]

28. Hey Dems Will Win

Can you link me to the original thread you created a few days ago? It was a summary/overview of this new document and it laid out a complete timeline for the draft based on your reasearch and understanding of all the documents and minutiae involved. I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Mostly.

[MostlyLurks]

40. Nevermind, somebody else helped me find it. Thanks!

[Dems Will Win]

43. Here you go: MILITARY DRAFT ALERT

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2349661

[deckerd]

55. Someone suggested an "Osama Bin Forgotten" Flyer

Think you could do one of those also? Maybe horizontal,
with a negative of Bin Laden in the background. I don't
have any images to work with... Thanks.

Who did the great Aug 2001 PDB flyer? I have a copy for
flyering, but maybe others haven't seen it.

[Myrina]

9. "Partisan personal attacks"

... same shit they do to Dems every day, but when they do it, it's 'stating the facts'. Pug Hypocrites !

:eyes:

[Ladyhawk]

63. We're only "fearmongering" because of the real mess * created.

Iraq is a mess and I fully expect that the Bush Admin will launch more wars if they "win" the election.

[alittlelark]

3. Awesome!! But the story is 15 min old w/900+ ratings

and a score below 3.0


Frepping at a furious rate over there.

[democratreformed]

4. Well, now.... we'll just have to try and fix that, won't we (wink wink)

n/t

[Chichiri]

6. So let's DU it! Quickly! (n/t)

[jonnyblitz]

16. I have about 10 yahoo screennames.

snicker. see ya in a few, I have stories to rate..

[Eurobabe]

49. Ditto, posting comments now...

[Princess Turandot]

45. uninformed question..

what does the rating impact? Do they keep higher rated stories on their page longer? (I just voted. 1,219 votes at his point)

[Florida_Geek]

5. OK Georgie say "Read my Lips, I will resign before I allow a draft to be

started"

[BootinUp]

7. Take that! (Rate it a 5 Please.)

currently just under 3.

:)

[crispini]

10. Rating 2.96 with 984 votes

kick

[dogtag]

11. Done - clicked with pleasure.

[cthrumatrix]

51. Somebody needs to bring up this issue .....AWOL ceratinly won't!

[michigandem2]

12. oh no he didn't!

good for him...I know they will say that Kerry is trying to scare Americans..but you know...its a-TRUE and b-not making it some rosey policy...

I am glad he is starting to punch back...keep it coming Kerry!

[blueblitzkrieg]

13. I'm a little confused.

I think using this is great...but...How is:

"If George Bush were to be re-elected, given the way he has gone about this war and given his avoidance of responsibility in North Korea and Iran and other places, is it possible? I can't tell you."

saying that a draft is likely under Bush as the headline states? Did he say something else about this...the quote above is all I see.

[Beetwasher]

18. Nahh, But Who Cares?

The headline is great as is and I'm not complaining!

[maine_raptor]

14. Every time I talk to a voter

That I know has kids either at draft age or just short. That is my first line of attack. Amazing how heads perk up when you mention this.

I usually start with something like: "So will your son/daughter sign up or wait to be drafted after Bush is elected in Nov.?"

The usual response is "WTF?", then a simple explanation of the facts (9 of 10 active duty US Army divisions tied up in Iraq, SSS future plans, etc.).

This REALLY REALLY works with parents.

[treading_water]

34. This one issue

pushed me over the edge from handwringing to volunteering with the Kerry Campaign and organizing a voter registration drive at my company.

My son is 12 and I'm terrified of a draft under Bush. It *will* happen. :(

So I agree. It's a very effective talking point for people with children.

[maine_raptor]

36. Welcome to DU, pdxdem

:toast:

[treading_water]

42. Thank you...

I've been lurking for months and finding it *very* useful for keeping up with current developments. The amount of information is almost overwhelming, but I have been able to respond to republican talking point more effectively when I phonebank thanks to DU.

[Trajan]

66. Your awesome ....

I hope there are millions more just like you ....

[The_Casual_Observer]

17. This will be all over the place by tonight.

bush = draft. This is going to be tough for bush to distance himself from.

[oasis]

20. Bush+PNAC=DRAFT. There is no getting around it.

[rsmith6621]

24. Right Fu_kin ON

Bush Is TOAST NOW

[Taverner]

21. Most Fucking Intelligent thing Kerry in a while

If they make this their mantra, we have it in the bag, plain and simple.

[WilliamPitt]

30. "Most Fucking Intelligent thing Kerry in a while"

Speaking of intelligent...or something.

Did you miss the last 100 hours? The NYU speech? The Letterman interview? The press conference?

I think you probably did.

[Union Thug]

22. THIS is how you campaign.. GO JOHN!

Bush has been tarnished by the AWOL thing, Iraq is falling apart, and now the draft issue... Smack down.. .Keep pounding away!

[alittlelark]

23. I wouldn't be suprised if they pull the story

The ratings remain EXACTLY the same 10 minutes later

Red Flag

[Tom_Foolery]

25. Osama bin Forgotten...

that needs to be on a bumper sticker. What a great line!!!!

[dogtag]

65. Osama bin Mislaiden

[Nite Owl]

26. I can't seems to rate it.

I click on the 5 and it goes to a blank page. Vote count remaining the same at 1072.

[Parche]

27. Draft

"HIT THEM HARDER"!!!!!


Make them try to answer this one, put them on the defense
in the last month to go
This is perfect

[Ishoutandscream]

29. Hear that, 18 to 35 year old undecideds!!!

That a boy, John! Now you're cookin'! This is the kind of message that will win this election.

[samtob]

33. I am going to get kicked around but....

Doing the research on this whole draft issue, tell me if I am missing something here.

The most recent bills regarding the resurrection of the draft are

H.R. 163
and
S 89. right?

Hopefully I am missing something, because if these are the last bills, then this is a bad move.

Here is why,

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR00163:@@@P

There has got to be something I am missing in the motive, not on the part of Kerry mind you, but on the part of the sponsors of this bill.

I would appreciate non attack input on this, clearly I can't, or rather am not seeing the big picture admittedly.

[samtob]

35. Misplaced response

I meant to reply to the main post, not where it was placed.

[BootinUp]

37. This is not the bill that would be signed into law

It is more of a statement to the republican chicken hawks.

It has no serious support.

Does anyone know what exactly has to happen to reinstate the draft? Executive order? Or what.

[samtob]

41. But, this is the only one

That includes drafting women that I could find.

I must be retarded but I cannot find another bill, or a more recent one.

Maybe my brain is just fried sifting through all the govt websites, they need to make them easier on the eyes :cry:

[samtob]

47. Different angle

Ok, am I going about this all wrong? Can the Selective Service reinstate the draft without legislation? Is that what I am missing?

Or better yet, WHO has the power to reinstate the draft without legislation? Selective service? The pentagon? The White House?

Thanks for your help in advance.

[GmoneyOwnsYou]

31. Kerry needs to explain why (PNAC)...

I dont see what it would hurt. He should tell the people what the current administration has in store. About what, 1% of Americans have heard of PNAC, and most dont really know much about it. I say expose the PNAC.

[MattNC]

32. kerry didn't say it was likely

but i'm glad he's raising the issue nonetheless.

[tjdee]

39. IMO that was better.

Instead of being all Cheney and OOGA BOOGA, THE DRAFT IS GONNA GET YOUR MOMMA, what he did there was to reinforce the concern by pointing out the circumstances we find ourselves in.

Kind of scarier, actually.

[MattNC]

44. good point

I'm just trying to point out the discrepancy between the headline and what Kerry said. My beef is more with the journalist.

[tjdee]

46. Don't mind that either!

It does the OOGA BOOGA part so Kerry didn't have to LOL.

I'm not a fan of reporters (and and editors) sensationalizing everything, but in this case I'm pleased with it.

[tjdee]

38. I may have to like John Kerry after this.

His non-answer answer is just perfect.

I hope he has the chance to hit Bush with the facts on this on Sept. 30.

Kerry and Edwards have both been asked about this now. So that's good, too.

[daa]

48. Hey Rove, smoke that eom

[secular_warrior]

50. Most red-state Americans are chickenhawks

and will not support Bush if they feel they will have to go to Iraq.

I've been wishing for a long time Kerry would take this approach. Fear is all the sheeple seem to understand, and the possibility of a draft is very real if things continue on this path.

There seems to be a disconnect between the war costs and the average American. Once the average American feels it might 'hit home', their views on going to war will change. There's a huge difference between being able to just sit back on your couch and say 'send them in', and the reality that you or your loved one may be sent in. The pictures on the evening news take on a new meaning. All of a sudden the car bombs, explosions and chaos start to have an emotional impact... because you yourself could be sent over to deal with that.

Kerry must build this into a theme .. force Bush to talk about his plans for invading Iran.. force Bush to show his true agenda. Then let the American people judge if they are willing to bear that cost.. if they are willing to live in an America of endless war.

[Bleacher Creature]

52. Freeps on Yahoo Message Board

I almost never go to the message boards on Yahoo -- they contain some of the most revolting creatures imaginable. But I just checked it for this story.

They are in a SERIOUS tizzy right now. LOL

[jayfish]

53. Ha ha... They Changed The Headline...

and it is still not correct. Try again Yahoo.

Jay

[sundancekid]

54. still 2.96 with 1310 votes ... go DU go ... follow that GO-Johnny-GO

[onecent]

56. I think it's very interesting how the freeps spend MORE time

trying to control the polls and rate the stories because they are "afraid" of our power than they do in their own boards supporting their righteous causes. We don't have to worry..this story will definitely make the 5:00 news.

When I really think about that it warms my soul.

[no_hypocrisy]

57. In 1916, Woodrow Wilson won on "He Kept Us Out of War". In 1917 Wilson

started conscription of civilians for World War I, less than six months after his election.

Fooled me once, can't fool me, er, that is, uh, we won't get fooled again, to paraphrase our fearless leader.

[wolfgang]

58. CAREFUL: My Repug Coworker Just Threw This In My Face

Emailed this to me about the DRAFT. Aren't these guys Democrats? Or, are they "Southern" Democrats? Any suggestions for answering her would be welcome.

108th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 163
To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 7, 2003
Mr. RANGEL (for himself, Mr. MCDERMOTT, Mr. CONYERS, Mr. LEWIS of Georgia, Mr. STARK, and Mr. ABERCROMBIE) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Armed Services



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


A BILL
To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

[BootinUp]

60. Here we go again n/t

[Rosco T.]

61. it's a 'protest' bill...

even Rangle said he wouldn't vote for his own bill.. it's out there to put Shrub and other 'pugs on the spot that say "We won't support the draft" by hammering this bill ..............

[wolfgang]

64. I don't think it's a good idea. Repugs are using this against us.

sorry. i'm kind of new to all this.

[Bread and Circus]

62. Yes, Rangel is a stupid-ass...but that's not the only bill...

and won't be the one that they rely on to draft us.

Someone in authority needs to tell Rangel to get off of this "stunt".

[DemBones DemBones]

59. Everybody click on the link and rate the story!

The freepers lowballed it and it's still below 3.0. It's an important story that shouldn't be buried just because the freeps are afraid their emperor will lose.

[David Zephyr]

67. Please Rate This Story a "5". Here's the Link. Do It Now.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=703&e=2&u=/ap/20040922/ap_on_el_pr/kerry

[Beetwasher]

68. Kick