Well! I've already seen the entire new Swift Boat Vets ad

[underpants]

Here is the script
http://swiftvets.com/friendsscript.html

Actually I saw it as soon as I got home. They played the whole thing to lead off Crossfire. So this is the next round and they haven't even actually run it that I know of and it is being reported on AS news and gets free air time.

This has already been refuted-Kerry was in Paris on his honeymoon (first wife) and he met with the North AND the South Vietnamese to......try to get POW's freed-to lay the groundwork/plant the seed.

That is the truth. All Novak (he won't be the last) is to immediately ask how DAMAGING this is and how the Kerry campaign can possibly argue with these FACTS.

There was no greater evidence that the liberal media myth is just that compare how quickly the Killian memos were attacked and how often they try to at least mention that there might be a link to the Kerry campaign (you will hear about Lockhart's August 20th telephone call to Burkett more times than you can count) while....

The Swift Boats received, and will receive, discussion that implies that they are close to credible or can support any of the accusations they make in the face of overwhelming evidence. Any national reporter of any stature could have compiled the contrary evidence and doublespeak of the Swifties themselves and aired/reported that the first day this started.

Everyone knew they were coming with these attacks (an excuse used for the quick reaction to the Killian part of the CBS story) were coming.

Anyone remember what Ben Barnes SAID?

Anyone heard from Bob Mintz recently?

[A_Possum]

1. PROUD OF THESE FACTS!!!

Nobody's arguing with the facts. The facts are Kerry was TRYING TO SAVE AMERICAN SOLDIER'S LIVES while NIXON STALLED!

Kerry, the Congressional Record, 1971

The Chairman: Do you support or do you have any particular views about any one of them you wish to give the committee?

Mr. Kerry: My feeling, Senator, is undoubtedly this Congress, and I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but I do not believe that this Congress will, in fact, end the war as we would like to, which is immediately and unilaterally and, therefore, if I were to speak I would say we would set a date and the date obviously would be the earliest possible date. But I would like to say, in answering that, that I do not believe it is necessary to stall any longer. I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned. (The same POW's who were so "devastated" by this attempt to get them freed sooner rather than later?)

I think this negates very clearly the argument of the President that we have to maintain a presence in Vietnam, to use as a negotiating block for the return of those prisoners. The setting of a date will accomplish that...




Mr. Kerry: Senator, if I may interject, I think that what we are trying to say is we do have a method. We believe we do have a plan, and that plan is that if this body were by some means either to permit a special referendum in this country so that the country itself might decide and therefore avoid this recrimination which people constantly refer to or if they couldn't do that, at least do it through immediate legislation which would state there would be an immediate cease-fire and we would be willing to undertake negotiations for a coalition government. But at the present moment that is not going to happen, so we are talking about men continuing to die for nothing and I think there is a tremendous moral question here which the Congress of the United States is ignoring.

The Chairman: The congress cannot directly under our system negotiate a cease-fire or anything of this kind. Under our constitutional system we can advice the President. We have to persuade the President of the urgency of taking this action. Now we have certain ways in which to proceed. We can, of course, express ourselves in a resolution or we can pass an act which directly affects appropriations which is the most concrete positive way the Congress can express itself.

But Congress has no capacity under our system to go out and negotiate a cease-fire. We have to persuade the Executive to do this for the country.

Mr. Kerry: Mr. Chairman, I realize that full well as a student of political science. I realize that we cannot negotiate treaties and I realize that even my visits in Paris, precedents had been set by Senator McCarthy and others, in a sense are on the borderline of private individuals negotiating, et cetera. I understand these things. But what I am saying is that I believe that there is a mood in this country which I know you are aware of and you have been one of the strongest critics of this war for the longest time. But I think if can talk in this legislative body about filibustering for porkbarrell programs, then we should start now to talk about filibustering for the saving of lives and of our country. (Applause.)

And this, Mr. Chairman, is what we are trying to convey.

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2. Bam! Excellent-what was Kerry 26 yrs. old then?

maybe 27? No wonder the Senators said they thought he would be in the Senate some day.

Amazing.

[tom22]

3. Of course what Kerry found out in 1971 was the precise deal

Nixon made to secure the release of US Prisoners in 1973. A precise date for the withdrawal of
US combat forces for an exchange of prisoners. Nixon had abandoned these men. Kerry did not forget them.

[acmavm]

4. Kerry was absolutely right in his stand against the war. And he was

standing on some pretty high moral ground, he'd been there and he knew we couldn't win, and he had first-had experience fighting in that war. He knew what the hell was going on.

Why all of a sudden is everyone trying to paint that war as some great moral crusade? It was a war built on a lie, mismanaged by cowards in this country, and middle class and poor kids paid the ultimate price for their perfidious behavior.

And meaning no offense to any Viet Nam vets on this board, but you know damn good and well that atrocities were committed. For God's sake, we saw the pictures, we heard the testimony of survivor's. My Lai, Tiger Force, even Bob Kerrey admits that he participated in an attack on a Vietnamese village who's only casualites were old people, women, and children. Viet Nam was an obscene horrible mess with atrocities committed by everyone, us and the Viet Cong.

Time to get real folks. We lost because there was no way to win. But chicken shit cowards like bush* sat safely in a classroom earning average or below grades and spouting off patriotic platitudes when he rightfully should have been over there because he had gone AWOL.

[underpants]

5. "Generals can't win wars but they can lose them"

Wes Clark said that when they let him on CNN every night. I agree with you acmavm.

[underpants]

6. CNN's Bill Schneider just shots several hole in the ad (Yes Schneider)

I was surprised.

That's what I saw anyway. Now let's see how many times they show that report.