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FlaIndie Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 09:47 PM
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Now THIS is one fraudulant poll - Bush up 10 in WI
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/Politics/wisconsin_poll_040922.html

If I am a media organization (besides Fox News) that actually pays someone to conduct a poll this blatantly wrong, I'd make the check payable only if the result happens.

I mean, jeez. Even Gallup had a result that was closer to the truth.

http://race2004.net/states.php?state=WI
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 09:49 PM
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1. Party affiliation error!
"In this poll in Wisconsin, by contrast, 35 percent of likely voters are Republicans, 29 percent Democrats."

That's BS. There are more Democrats than Republicans in Wisconsin by a few points.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 09:50 PM
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2. its hard for me to understand.....
why people say in these polls that Bush has clarity....huh? ...people are stupid! Clarity about what?
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renoray Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 09:52 PM
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7. Because
he is clearly insane?
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Chupacabra Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 09:50 PM
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3. Another Poll
Take a look at this poll.
Middleground talkshow host in San Antonio Texas (what a concept).
Bush lemmings pouncing and taking no prisoners (what a concept).
Poll still open. Give them a rude awakening.
www.bradmesser.com
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 07:46 AM
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13. Hi Chupacabra!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 09:51 PM
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4. go to Pollkatz.com for a critique of the oversampling of Repugs
in several big name polls.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 09:52 PM
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6. Let them be in for a shock on election day.
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 09:52 PM
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5. Oh, gawd...
I wonder if chicken bones figure into their polling methodology.

What is so wrong with the truth? Why are so many trying to lie to cover up the worst presidential performance in history? I just can't quite fathom what has happened to this country...
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 10:22 PM
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8. The Wisconsin polls have been swinging very widely.
One poll I heard today on the local radio said that Kerry was +2. It's all very strange.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 11:03 PM
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11. Check the company that is doing the polls
It seems that they have had no experience in doing public opinion polls.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 10:49 PM
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9. Zogby begs to differ
Edited on Wed Sep-22-04 11:02 PM by Nicholas_J
His interactive polls have Kerry 2.5 point ahead of Bush in Wisconsin, and the Zogby poll is accurate as of the 20th of September, the ABC was finished on the 19th.

Another indication that Zogby, Rasmussen, and Media Matters analysis of all of the polls done by the network news/newspapers, and major national magazines. Media Matters did a study of all of the polls done by the major media and found that all of them skewed the polls by polling more Republicans. ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX and CNN were mentioned by name in the media matters article.

Zogby has been on a crusade lately, as almost every day one of his articles points out the fact that a number of independent pollsters have analyzed the polls done by the media and all of them were found to be skewed for favor Bush. Zogby seems almost incensed by this, almost as if he is trying to indicate that the media seems to be using polls to try to sway voters rather than indicate what voters are actually thinking.

I have seem four articles done by major independent pollsters who are criticising polls done for the major media, and after following their analysis, I am ignoring all polls but those done by independent pollsters.

Zogby has Kerry aheadc of Bush, and the ARG polls done a few days before the ABC polls indicated a tie. TheABC poll seems to be an outlier.

ABC seems to have reacted to the criticism that Zogby made of Gallop by hiring another pollster, but this pollster is also getting the same results that Gallop did. It seems that ABC may be requiring that the pollster come up with a certain result before they even do the poll. ZOgby's poll has Kerry over 50 percent in Wisconsin, and as another pollster indicated, voters just do not switch their affiliations in such a radical manner in the period of a week.

In fact, TNS has a web site which states that it is one of the largest marketing firms in the world, but their web site is still under construction. Many of the links giving information about the company are dead links.

The links regarding business sectors they represent are active, but their public opinion polling information link is also "UNDER CONSTRUCTION"

It seens that they have little or no experience in doing political polls and this is ususally indicative of a client who is hiring a company who will be somewhat "flexible" in obtaining results that the client sems to hint that they desire.


I have had a number of years experience hiring marketing firms to do polls for government agencies to "find out what the public wanted" and we always found pollsters whose polling of te public desires were lock step with what the head administrators hadplanned to do in the first place.

The web site for the marketing firm that ABC has hired to replace Gallop is at:

http://www.tns-i.com/opinionpolling.htm

P.S. check the links to "PUBLIC OPINION POLLING" and you get another "COMING SOON " PAGE
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 10:54 PM
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10. sigh - another poll of Waukesha County.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 11:15 PM
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12. That's a Dead On picture contrast you
have there! Pictures say a 1000 words and these do it!

Too bad they can't be blasted across the Country!
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AIJ Alom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 07:50 AM
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14. Election Manipulation at it's finest.
Democrats stay home...your candidate has no chance as this over-spampling of Republican voters shows.

Friggin losers. Wisconsin Dems, I hope this gets you fired up! Blow those clowns out of the water !
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