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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 01:08 AM
Original message
Repubs ask: If Bush is so useless, how come there are no attacks in U.S. ?
Edited on Thu Sep-23-04 01:36 AM by WiseMen
Answer, A Secret FATWAH from Osama binding all his followers:

FOUR MORE YEARS!



Allah, the merciful, grant us four more years of Bush. So say all
wise terrorists.

Al Qaeda spokesman:

"It is not possible to find a leader more foolish then Bush,
who deals with matters by force rather than wisdom.
Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps because he and
the Democrats have the cunning to embellish blasphemy
and present it to the Arab and Muslim nations as civilisation.
Because of this we desire Bush to be elected."

al Qaeda statement, 3/17/04

http://www.reuters.com/locales/newsArticle.jsp;:4058d424:acf845be6d89eb28?type
=w orldNews&locale=en_IN&storyID=4591099





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gospelized Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 01:09 AM
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1. "how come there are no attacks in U.S. ?"
have they forgotten 9/11 already?
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 01:40 AM
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13. Rhino Repellant
I have this incredible rhino repellant. "But," you may say, "there aren't any rhinos in America."

"Ah," says I, "Just see how well the repellant works?"

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jumpstart33 Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 02:06 PM
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55. Because Osama got exactly what he wanted from 9/11 with Bush in office
Osama knew that the "village idiot" would behave exactly as he has and beging a spiraling downward of American standard of living that will be irreversable. We will eat up all of our social programs funding unending wars and military buildups with no enemies to fight except the ghosts of Osama and the al-qaeda. These people can out last us, they are used to living on nothing, and their minds are focused on a common enemy that they can see, feel, and touch. We don't know who the hell our enemy is so we will continue to fight those "windmills" and sap our nation of its youth, wealth, and humanity. Our people are not intelligent enough or human enough to recognize what is really happening to them. They are blinded by their prejudices and the myth of their religion. They serve neither God nor man, only self. Self is a wicked, unforgiving master that can never be pleased, satisfied, or instructed.
Thus, we are living our own demise. This is not doom and gloom, but reality. Kerry in office will only put off the ineveitable a bit longer. Don't get me wrong, I support Kerry and am working hard to get him in office because there is an outside chance that a moral, humane, leader can set a tone that others might desire to emulate...but it's a real long shot.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 02:14 PM
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57. Nominated - for this post.
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 03:06 PM
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60. Cheney hasn't given the ok yet
Like he said in Des Moines Iowa- Elect us we will make you safe, he must know something.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 01:09 AM
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2. Two words
ANTRHAX Attacks

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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 01:15 AM
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5. Those don't count because they were an inside job. Oh wait, so was 911.
Edited on Thu Sep-23-04 01:15 AM by Jim Sagle
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 01:14 AM
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3. Funnily enough, because we don't HAVE a foreign terrorist problem.
All those cells that are supposed to be percolating nasty ideas, they ain't here.

And if we take sensible precautions about our borders, and Bush's Saudi friends, they won't BE here, either.
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:58 AM
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44. We have a DOMESTIC terrorism problem!!!

They found a white supremicist group armed to the teeth including WMDs.

Bush gives very little attention to the neo-nazis who HAD Anthrax. But watch out you Arab scum, Bush is coming to get you!!!!

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 01:15 AM
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4. did they forget about 9/11 and the anthrax attacks ?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 01:19 AM
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7. Well, how long between terrorist attacks was it before
When was the Cole incident? I'll have to go and look it up.

It's not like they happened every 5 minutes. We lived life before 9/11 without worrying about it. We can live life after without worrying about it so much either. It's like the Cold War, when we could have been hit by missles at any moment. If you thought too much about that, you could go nuts. Same now. Anything can happen at any time. That hasn't changed.
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:00 AM
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45. They criticize Clinton for the Cole ...
... an attack on Americans on foreign soil. What a failure!!!!

Of course, you need only contrast that with the dozens of attacks daily that happen against American servicemen in Iraq by "terrorists".

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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 01:16 AM
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6. There are no attacks in the U.S. because Bush hasn't ordered any.
But, believe me. If it suits his purpose, we will see another attack on the U.S. Dick Cheney has told us so.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 01:20 AM
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8. How come the only attack in the USA during Clintons term...
Was from an American right wing extremist nut job?
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Beausoleil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 08:59 AM
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36. Except for WTC I
One month into Clinton's presidency. But you didn't hear anyone whine about it being Bush I's fault.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:54 AM
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37. True
On both counts.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 01:21 AM
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9. ummmmm 9/11 *cough* Anthrax *cough*
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 01:24 AM
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10. because bush has sent americans overseas for terrorists to kill?
that way the terrorist don't have to leave home. we come to them, then they kill us.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 07:59 AM
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31. Nailed it. If it's military, we don't get uppity, grief-stricken moms
demanding messy little investigations.

Isn't that convenient?
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 01:24 AM
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11. 3000 people died on Bush's watch.
Period.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 06:33 AM
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26. And 1000+ more in Iraq
That's 4000 american lives lost due to prez. AWOL's incompetancy..

nice record, repukes.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 08:01 AM
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32. Make that 4000 (Iraq), plus
unidentified undocumented workers, which probably number in the hundreds.

Oh, and, what's theat other place we're at? Afrin-something?
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 02:20 PM
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58. BUSH: UNFIT FOR COMMAND - THEN & NOW flyer
Go to http://somnamblst.tripod.com to download high resolution TIF or PDF files Let's Michael Moore Bush by showing the sheeple the explicit warning BushCo gnored in 2001!

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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 01:34 AM
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12. There was a gap between 2/93, a couple of weeks after Clinton
Edited on Thu Sep-23-04 01:35 AM by MidwestTransplant
took office until 8 mos into the Bush admin. I guess they have to admit that Clinton did a kick ass job.
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the Kelly Gang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 01:52 AM
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14. because they can kill Americans in Iraq..the idiots
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SoCalDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 02:03 AM
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15. lots of terrorists
(CBS/AP) Despite losses around the world, al Qaeda has more than 18,000 potential terrorists, and its ranks are growing because of the conflict in Iraq, a leading think tank warned Tuesday.

Al Qaeda still has a functioning leadership despite the death or capture of key figures, and estimates suggest al Qaeda operates in more than 60 nations around the world, the International Institute for Strategic Studies said in its Strategic Survey 2003-4.

Bush wants to fight a perpetual war against terrorism around the globe. It's their dream come true.
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:02 AM
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46. Bush is throwing water on ...
... a grease fire.

He's just an idiot. And I wish the NY Fire Department would run ads using this anology!!!!!

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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 02:08 AM
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16. what was 9/11??
holy shit these people are idiots.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 02:11 AM
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17. Because there hasn't been an election for the past 2 years
Oh, the PNAC will attack alright...we all see it coming. Bush is down by 8 in the polls...weekend before election day...Friday: Red Alert...Sunday: Dirty bombs go off in Democratic counties in swing states. Someone should just call them out right now so we are less surprised when it happens.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 02:45 AM
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18. New pic found
of bin laden 9-11-2004!

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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 02:47 AM
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19. He would probably get an ambassador post in the next Bush admin
But Bush isn't going to get the chance.

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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 05:00 AM
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20. Ask the family that just lost their son.
Over a 1000 dead in the service and we do not know how many from the corp. They are not countered and over 7000 wounded. If that is not hitting home what will?
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Chickenhawk Down Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 05:15 AM
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21. Could these Fucktards be any dumber?
The next attack will come when crashcart gives the green light.

I mean really just how fucking retarded are these people?

Is it measurable?

Dumber than a pile of Shit!
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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 05:18 AM
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22. bush has ordered all his terror cells to stand down nt
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 02:13 PM
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56. If Bush is loosing late October, what do you expect?
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Aunt Anti-bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 06:14 AM
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23. Because they're biding their time.
I am afraid, based on numerous articles I've read, that they're building up their ranks and developing more and more cells in America, which just says to me, they're planning something huge. I don't feel like we're safe just because there hasn't been a major attack in the US since 9-11. I worry about all of the people getting into the country while Homeland Security is busy worrying about keeping Cat Stevens out.
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:07 AM
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48. What AMAZES me!!!

Is that they Homeland security department doesn't seem to have photos and physical descriptions accompanying their "watch list". People are getting stopped all the time that have NOTHING to do with terrorism, yet a pretty simple check would alleviate this problem.

Our aircraft screening is still stupid as hell. And you can no damn well that the terrorists will just start using fake IDs to get on aircraft!!!!

Our ID security in this nation is stupid and pathetic. And at some point we're going to finally wake up and realize that we need secured Smart Card drivers licenses in all 50 states authenticated by digitally signed by the federal government. You can fake that.

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Aunt Anti-bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 08:48 PM
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61. Bush says we're safer now, though.
Smile and fly...

(Yeah, right.)
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 01:35 PM
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54. Terror Watch Targets: Cat Stephens, Ted Kenedy, Congressman John Lewis,
Warning, Warning:

Liberal Musicians, Senators, and Congressmen

endangering our liberty.
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Aunt Anti-bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 08:49 PM
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62. It would be funny
if it wasn't so scary.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 06:23 AM
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24. The only ....
.... significant terror attack on American soil happened on Bush* watch amidst numerous credible warnings. Once is enough.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 06:29 AM
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25. We've just gotten lucky.
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giant_robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 06:39 AM
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27. If they'd have listened
Edited on Thu Sep-23-04 07:25 AM by giant_robot
to Richard Clarke rather that firing him, maybe there wouldn't have been any attacks on the US. But NOOOO that was too Clintonesque for this administration. Better that Condi implement an antiquated cold war strategy.

On edit: Clarke was not actually fired, but rather resigned. This does not alter the fact that he was categorically ignored by the Bush administration.
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:15 AM
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49. Clark was pushed aside ...

He had a cabinet level position as "terrorist czar" and that position was downgraded to reporting to Condi Rice. Rice didn't seem to read anything. She certainly never read about project Bojinka if we're to remember her own words.

The bottom line is that Clark lost his access to the president and had to beg for permission from the neo-cons like Rumsfeld, Ashcroft and Rice. We know darn well what Ashcroft felt about counter-terrorism (below priority of hos and porn). For that matter, I'd bet that Colin Powell doesn't even have a direct line to Shrub.

If they had listened to Clark, 9/11 would NEVER had happened. They would have issued directives that ALL FBI and Border Control agents would have to account for their counter-terrorism efforts. At that point, the idiot supervisors that cancelled the investigations on the "no takeoff, no land, just fly" arabs would have re-opened those investigations at peril of their careers. The plot would have been discovered. 9/11 would have NEVER happenend.

And that would be TERRIBLE for Bush because he would never have had his stick to beat over Democrat's heads. He would never have had his "psuedo-mandate". He wouldn't have $200 billion to waste on his political chronies and strengthen his stronghold over the GOP.

9/11 has been SOOOO good to Bush. One would think he planned it????


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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 07:32 AM
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28. Oil Refinery "accidents" or acts or terrorism ...
I did a quick google on "oil refinery fires explosions" ... there are far too many to post but here's a small sampling

July 2001
The News Journal
08/30/2004
Reuther - who was recently named Delaware's chief environmental enforcement administrator - and fellow officers endured weeks of duty in blistering summer heat and confining protective suits while tracking down the cause of a massive explosion and fire at the former Motiva Enterprises refinery in July 2001.

February 21, 2003 Posted: 11:22 AM EST (1622 GMT)
Huge fire breaks out near New York oil refinery
FBI spokesman Steve Kodak in Newark, N.J., said there was no indication of terrorism. However, FBI officials in Washington said they were still examining it because a refinery is the type of infrastructure terrorists might target.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/02/21/staten.blaze.ap/

February 26, 2003
Marathon refinery fire extinguished
Marathon Oil Co. said on Wednesday the fire that broke out in the 6,000 barrel-per-day alkylation unit at its St. Paul Park, Minn., refinery on Tuesday afternoon was extinguished late Tuesday. .."There were no injuries and the cause of the fire is under investigation," said company spokesman Chuck Rice. The refinery is jointly owned by Houston-based Marathon Oil and Covington, Ky.-based Ashland Inc.
Last December the companies reached a $13 million settlement in connection with federal criminal charges prompted by a 1997 explosion at the refinery.
http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2003/02/24/daily28.html

March 31, 2004
HOUSTON (Reuters) - An explosion and fire rocked a BP oil refinery in Texas, the third-largest in the United States, on Tuesday, driving gasoline prices to an all-time high and unnerving currency markets worried about security threats.
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/394528%7Ctop%7C03-31-2004::05:07%7Creuters.html

July 11, 2004
Ashland Marathon Oil Refinery - St. Paul Park, MN
Investigation Continues Into Texas Refinery Blaze
TEXAS CITY -- A blaze that gutted most of a Marathon Ashland refinerys main office building has displaced about 40 employees at the facility.
http://cms.firehouse.com/content/article/article.jsp?sectionId=46&id=33928


08-13-2004 12:27:00 PM
Explosion, Fire Rock Indiana Refinery
WHITING, Ind. (AP) -- An explosion and fire rocked the country's third-largest oil refinery on Friday, but it was not immediately clear how its gasoline production would be affected.
http://cms.firehouse.com/content/article/article.jsp?id=34074§ionId=46

September 1, 2004
Lansing State Journal
From snarled traffic to darkened storefronts, Tuesday's fire at Spartan Oil Corp. touched thousands of folks who live, work and drive in the shadow of Lansing's industrial complexes.
http://www.lsj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040901/NEWS01/409010340/1001/news

Sep 2 2004
Yesterday's surge in prices accelerated in the last few minutes of trading when Flint Hills Resources LP, a unit of Koch Industries Inc., had a fire at its refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas. The refinery has total processing capacity of 300,000 barrels a day, according to the company's Web site.
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000086&sid=aqAKcgMSHvvw&refer=latin_america
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AmyStrange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:18 PM
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64. Great job...

that's a lot of suspicious activity that hasn't been reported nationally. Kudos for you for taking the time to post this,

d

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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 05:33 AM
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78. Thanks ... there were 10's if not hundreds more but I thought this
small sample illustrated the point.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 07:52 AM
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29. Al Qaeda attacks have usually been spread over 3 years or so.
Its taking them awhile to think up a more hideous attack than 9/11. Also, they kinda got what they wanted the last time. Don't worry though they will be back, and no matter what administration is in place it is likely they will have another successful attack in the next 5 to 10 years.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 07:56 AM
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30. Throw their own words back at them.
Just because there hasn't been another 9/11 doesn't mean Bush is doing a splendid job keeping us safer than ever. Or as Rummy put it: "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 08:17 AM
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33. Same reason I don't have to hunt tigers in my backyard...
and about as sensible ...
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Quahog Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 08:40 AM
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34. Dumb luck
The monkey administration has done NOTHING to make the fatherland (oops, I mean homeland!) more secure. Funds have been cut for police, fire and rescue. The great combining of federal intelligence and law enforcement agencies into the big-ol' department of homeland security has increased bureaucracy, but not much else.

And perhaps most tellingly, for all of the enemy combatants locked up in Gitmo and Abu Grahib and elsewhere, Herr Asskroften has yet to produce ONE SINGLE CONVICTION of a terrorist during this administration. There hasn't been one terrorist caught and convicted on the chimp's watch, not one. We rounded up a bunch of swarthy looking guys in the aftermath of 9/11, locked them up without trial or representation in defiance of the US constitution and Bill of Rights, and now we're letting them all go, because the pressure is on (from SCOTUS, of all places) to produce some evidence or cut them loose.

The fact that there has not been another 9/11 is just luck. If terrorists wanted to pull off another such attack, we'd be just as vulnerable today as we were three years ago. Because we're spending all of our time, energy, money and intelligence in fuckin IRAQ.

(Discalimer: Yes, I know chimp either LIHOP or MIHOP. But you can't even raise that point with a repuke, gotta respond in language that they understand. Of course, if you contradict them on ANYTHING, you're just supporting al-Qaeda.)
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:18 AM
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50. They weren't terrorists going in ...
...

One would suspect that Abu Ghraib and Gitmo Ghulag are nothing but terrorists factories.

Pick up innocent people fingered by untrustworthy people. Imprison and harass them for a long period of time without charges. Release them with their stories to tell about evil Americans. Watch the ranks of terrorists grow!!!!!


Either PNAC is a bunch of half-wits, or things are going JUST as they had planned!!!!!

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 08:42 AM
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35. 14 State Governors got letter bombs last month
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/11/national/11letters.html?ex=1096084800&en=cb81bc9d36f8f718&ei=5070

The Senate got a letter full of ricin...the anthrax killer is still on the loose...

2003 saw the most terrorist attacks in histroy around the globe...
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:15 AM
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38. Ricin was false positive.
Edited on Thu Sep-23-04 10:17 AM by Virginian
Someone probably took castor oil. Mail is screened off site before it gets to senate offices.
If there had been ricin, it would have been in outgoing mail... Now lets see, who's office was it in?

added on edit:

... And who received the anthrax letters?
Hmmm.... is there a pattern?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:26 AM
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41. And the color code didn't change, though it seemed to be an actual ATTACK
But at least we're safe from the guy who sprung Tea for the Tillerman on the world...thatnks to the guy who's family's in cahoots with the family of the guy who sprung "9/11" on the world...
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:23 AM
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39. Absence of mainland US attacks since 9/11 just shows me...
... how little an effort is needed to disturb terrorist planning here. Just think what might have happened in September 2001 if Bush had paid the *SLIGHTEST* attention to the Al Qaeda threat.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:25 AM
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40. Might hurt Dimbo's chances of reselection.
Edited on Thu Sep-23-04 10:28 AM by Buzzz
They want him right where he is for as long as possible. He's the best recruiter they've got.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:30 AM
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42. Why is bush so "useless" let me count
the ways!

Just because there are no attacks now..bush was Useless when 9/11 happened..When it counted!..he was dozing..and couldn't put down "the pet goat" story..he sat there for 7 minutes and then took a photo op for 20-30 more minutes while our country was under attack. And I won't even get started on what he knew before he went into the classroom.

What a Useless Son Of Bitch he turned out to be!
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:55 AM
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43. 9/11
During the Clinton administration:

After being burned by WTC 1992 and Oklahoma City, the Clinton administration becomes "obsessed" with counter-terrorism as the new threat to the United States. FBI officials are put on alert and are forced to submit documents to the Richard Clark and Sandy Berger regarding what THEY and their departments were personally doing to prevent another terrorist attacks. This effort propogated throughout the FBI and forced a HIGH prioritization of terrorism prevention.

No less than 6 armed fighter aircraft were sent to escort golf pro Payne Stewart's aircraft after the transponder was turned off and they lost radio contact. They felt the plane was de-pressurized due to iced glass. But they maintained a fighter escort ready to shoot the aircraft down should it threaten a populated area.

Foiled the Millenium bomb plot attempting to blow up several US landmarks simultaneously. They did get a lucky tip from an alert border guard. But they were LISTENING. An no doubt that guard had one of those memos insisting that he personally account for his personal counter-terrorism efforts. This is important as you'll see later.

Foiled the Holland Tunnel bomb plot. Same deal. Astute investigators found a trail and managers with memos on their desk saying "You MUST account for your counter-terrorism efforts" authorized further investigations for sake of their job security and promotion.

MOST IMPORTANT
Clinton administration officials foil project Bojinka. This plot involved crashing hijacked aircraft simultaneously into landmarks WORLDWIDE!!!! Somebody found some evidence and their superiors eager to fill out their forms saying "What have YOU DONE PERSONALLY to counter terrorism, were eager to send their investigators on the scent instead of ignoring the evidence."

Prior to 9/11

Bush cut counter-terrorism funding prior to 9/11.

Ashcroft de-prioritized counter-terrorism and placed it just under counter-pornography and counter-prostitution efforts.

Bush refused to meet with his chief of counter-terrorism (Richard Clarke).

Ashcroft told subordinates that he "didn't want to here anymore about this terrorism 'stuff'".

Condi Rice refused to highlight the risks that terrorists posed despite the extreme measures in Genoa of ringing the meeting location with anti-aircraft batteries to prevent terrorists from smashing an airliner into the meeting place.

NO less than TWO FBI officials at separate locations found it odd that men of Arab descent were taking flight lessons on Boeing 747 simulators without doing any takeoff and landing training. When they tried to pursue the investigations further, they were squashed by superiors who no doubt realized this would take valuable time away of counter-pornography and counter-prostitution investigations :mad:

The Bush administration refused to take seriously the numerous warnings from world intelligence organizations. Mossad found out about the plot and warned Washington. The Israelis evacuated the staff of "Odigo" from the WTC. The Bush administration did NOTHING!!!! :mad:

In the midst of the "summer of fear", Richard Clarke was begging and pleading to meet with the president. He is stalled because the president takes the longest vacation in presidential history. During that time, he allegedly reads the 11 page (redacted to 2) memo detailing that Osama Bin Ladin is planning future attacks on the United States including hijacking aircraft.

At this point, Clinton would have put all the pieces together, project Bojinka, the Holland tunnel, the Millenium Bomb Plot, the Genoa summit, etc... and said, "Oh my god, we're going to be attacked. Lets shake down the FBI and Border Patrol for threads of evidence that could lead us to the plot." Bush's response was presumably clearing brush.

On 9/11 -

The FAA calls NATO like they're supposed to. No prompt response is given like when Payne Stewarts little Lear jet goes off course. Officials later claim that the FAA did NOT call NATO. And I'm sure the debriefing tape that a Bush hack cut into hundreds of pieces and deposited across hundreds of different garbage cans would confirm this point :puke:

Bush is told of the first aircraft strike on his way to Booker elementary school. Richard Clarke's response was "Oh my god, that was Osama Bin Ladin". Bush's response was to proceed with a photo-op with school children. Had Bush actually READ any intelligence briefings about project Bojinka (or Condi Rice for that matter) he would have realized that we were probably under attack and he needed to.

Bush is asked about the event before entering the classroom. His response was "Yeah I saw that, that was a REALLY bad pilot". Had Bush paid any attention during flight school, he would know darn well that it's IMPOSSIBLE for a two trained trained pilots with TENS OF THOUSANDS more hours logged than he to "accidently" run into the tallest building in New York. One wonders if Bush was TOLD to say this or if really is that fucking stupid!!!!

Bush is told of the second plane hitting while the children are reading to him. Bush's response was to sit on his ass and do NOTHING. Perhaps he didn't KNOW that NATO needed his approval to shoot down any more jets. My theory is that NATO had a standown order. In any case, Bush sat for 7 minutes and then stood through another 7 minutes of questions and gladhanding.

Bush than hides. The "adults" claim that their administration finally gave a shootdown approval when Bush was safely onboard Air Force One. They claim there was "no time" to intercept any jets even though there was an Air National Guard base just north of DC with planes capable of 1500 mph.


Look, I'll give them plane #1. Who would know. And who would have the courage to shoot down a jet full of innocents when they hadn't ever HAD a WTC scenario happen. But they COULD have intercepted and forced a re-direction under threat of destruction. They most CERTAINLY could have scrambled and intercepted in time to catch plane #2. And the idea that they couldn't have shot down plane #3 in the nations MOST RESTRICTED airspace is moronically stupid.

Subsequent incursion in DC airspace have been handled equally moronically. However, a single engine Cessna that got near the presidential Ranch was promptly intercepted by two jets. So it kinda shows you what the priority of Bush's Air Force. They protect BUSH, not the nation.

Bush has become a walking contradiction. His greatest triumph is the GREATEST failure of any recent president. Now Bush is hard at working creating MORE terrorists in Iraq.

Good work President ASSHOLE!!!!!

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AmyStrange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:15 PM
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63. excellent post

you did your homework. Thanx for all the info and commentary,

d

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Joe Turner Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:59 PM
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73. Re: Bush's response on 1st Plane strike into the WTC
I really believe he is THAT stupid. Smirk's (below) ridiculously stupid comment reminds me of "Lloyd" in the movie Dumb and Dumber. The guy is truly as dumb as a box of rocks.

<<Bush is asked about the event before entering the classroom. His response was "Yeah I saw that, that was a REALLY bad pilot".>>
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Joe Turner Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:08 PM
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74. Excellent Work lanparty
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 08:54 AM
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80. Sub NATO for NORAD

I was sleepy when I wrote this. NATO had nothing to do with. It was NORAD that screwed the pooch !!!!

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artv28 Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:03 AM
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47. No matter what happens
they will spin it in their favor. No attack = We're safer because of Bush. Attacked = We need a tough leader who will fight back. Too many people fall for this crap.
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pdx_prog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:33 AM
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51. I have been looking for that!
I read that some time ago, and I have been looking for it ever since!

Thanks a gajillion....



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pdx_prog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:59 AM
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52. The link doesn't work....
So far, ALL links today aren't working for me...:(

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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 12:13 PM
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53. Bush caved in to the terrorists
and took the bases out of Saudi Arabia.
The flight of the Bin Laden family out of this country may have been another hidden compromise.
Also no demands or repercussions on the Saudi royals who supported the known terrrorists as yet.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 03:04 PM
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59. They only attack new Presidents. Clinton 93' Bush 01' US soil
But when Clinton got attacked nobody had ever heard of Al Quaida so he had an excuse. Bush was told and still fucked it up. Kerry's not an idiot fuck-up so it won't happen to him.
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AmyStrange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:26 PM
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65. HEY EVERYONE:check out these post in this thread - lots of info and resear

HEY EVERYONE:check out these post in this thread - lots of info and research done by some of our fellow DUers concerning the topic of this thread:

28. Oil Refinery "accidents" or acts or terrorism ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=887066&mesg_id=887427&page=


43. 9/11
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=887066&mesg_id=888136&page=

d

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:42 PM
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66. it took them a decade inbetween the two tower explosions
they take their time in setting htings up. was a four year plannin for the hijack of the four planes

they have had them thru out the world though

and what did bushie boy do about the anthrax. how many people did he arrest? none?
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:48 PM
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67. Uh, because they already did the big one -- September 11, 2001
They plan these things for years.
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FirstDoNoHarm Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:53 PM
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69. I see this statement made quite often
Do we have any memos or bombproof evidence yet to prove this claim? As soon as the proof shows up it will be over for the current regime. Where are the memos?
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:15 PM
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70. What about the Anthrax attacks? And terrorists bombings abroad?
those terrorists targeted Aussies-our allies. Remember the nightclub bombing in Bali? Bali is the big vacation spot for Aussies.
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FirstDoNoHarm Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:17 PM
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71. Those are good starts but we need the memos
Like Watergate we need proof not innuendo.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:25 PM
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72. Ummm...these stories were carried in the mainstream media
are you whacked? How are we safer if we never found the perpetrator of the Anthrax scare? How are we safer if Al Qaeda is bombing targets of allies who supported us in the Iraq war?
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ohio_dem_52186 Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:48 PM
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68. If Bush is so Useful, Why is the "top state sponsor of terror"
still around.

The State Dept. has cited Iran as the top supporter of state terrorism for the last four years, probably further back. Maybe Bush didn't read those reports...

Gosh, he doen a great job... Iran, with nuclear ambitions and REAL stockpile of WMD (CIA report says so) and actual ties to al Qaeda (State Dept.).

Bush is useless in the war on terror.

If anybody is interested, I have links to those documents on my website.

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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:15 PM
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75. Nick Robertson (CNN) reported "must keep Bush" buzz all over terror sites.
If they could figure out what they could do to keep Bush for
"four more years" the probably would.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:17 PM
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76. Best answer for that line of argument:
"That means that if there's a terror attack before the election you will vote for Kerry, right? Otherwise your argument has no meaning... it's just some stupid shit to say. I mean, I'm supposed to vote for Bush because there hasn't been an attack, but you won't vote for Kerry if there is an attack, so your argument is that I should vote for Bush because YOU are going to vote for Bush no matter what happens. Not much of an argument..."
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HarveyBriggs Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:23 PM
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77. Wasn't there that one?
And wasn't that enough?

Harvey Briggs
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 06:15 AM
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79. How often is Al-Queda supposed to attack the US?
Edited on Fri Sep-24-04 06:16 AM by quaker bill
AS I recall it, there has generally been a 3 to 4 year interval between major Al-Queda attacks on the US or US interests. So the fact that we have gone 3 years without an attack may mean nothing at all. Their past behavior could be viewed to suggest that they are just not done preparing for the next one yet.

Alternately, from all reports, Al-Queda is now involved in the Iraqi Resistance to some extent. Perhaps that is the way they intend to attack us at this time.

I don't get the impression that this administration has any idea what Al-Queda is up to.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 08:56 AM
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81. Bali, Spain's 3/11....
AQ been busy.
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