Hotline confirms Arkansas no longer contested, safe for Bush

[deckerd]

From race2004.net:

The Hotline from the National Journal reports that Bush campaign strategists are pulling some staffers out of Arkansas and sending them to other states. While some recent polls suggest the state is close, the campaign chiefs believe the state is safe territory for Bush. Similarly, they are ceasing their television advertising.

Also, a court ruling on Nader ballot access in PA hinges on $$$ to pay court costs in order to fight the full weight of the anti-vote choice Dem party -- Nader lawyer asks judge to rule against Nader (and against anyone who wishes to vote Nader) because he has not been paid.
F$#%ng amoral SCL lawyers.

Nader news: One of Nader's lawyers in Pennsylvania asked a court for permission to withdraw from the race citing the campaign's inability to pay him.

In other words, voting rights depend on ability to pay court costs. No money, no vote choice.

[WI_DEM]

1. Bunk

I think if Bush is pulling staffers out--HE IS GIVING UP ON THE STATE.

[lancdem]

14. Interesting take on it

:)

[Jane Austin]

29. Cool. Let them get complacent. Maybe we can make hay there.

n/t

[LittleClarkie]

32. Just what I was thinking

Let them believe their own skewed polls.

[elsiesummers]

36. Yes a head fake.

Kerry can win it last minute with surprise Clinton campaigning in last weeks plus Wesley Clark and Edwards.

I think letting Bush think he has it is the right message.

[girl gone mad]

40. Clinton and Clark..

can hand Arkansas to Kerry.

Funny how when Bush pulls ads and staff, it's because he's confidant, but when Kerry does the same thing, it's because he has no chance.

[deckerd]

45. In that case it's certainly not hurtful to have a thread like this one.

Just keep them in mind that we still care about Arkansas.

And maybe get the word out to the FReepers.

(The real ones, not those of us who post critical of Dems -- I'm a newbie, but I can tell the trolls apart. And I have friends who are inconsolable Naderites so I have a sense of where they are coming from and how the whole ballot access fight might be an unproductive distraction.)

Yes, come to think of it, we have NO chance in Arkansas. Too bad because it looks like it could have made the difference. Know what I mean? :-)

[Cha]

56. With those two statesmen covering

Arkansas in the last weeks..I don't see how we can miss.

I know what something I heard Clinton say on charley rose that he would love to DELIVER ARKANSAS to Kerry this year.

He felt bad about it not going for Gore. Said the nra did them in ..

[democratreformed]

35. You tell it!

They're gonna be surprised if they seriously believe they've got it locked up.

[gatorboy]

2. Heh! Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!

EOM

[Mikimouse]

3. I hope that *does pull his campaign workers from Arkansas...

because I will then have the opportunity laugh my ____off when Arkansas goes bluer than blue. There are far more Kerry/Edwards signs and bumper sticker around Northwest Arkansas than /buttholes

[asjr]

9. Maybe the voting machines have already been rigged,

so they feel safe in leaving. The machines still bother me a great deal because the administration will do ANYTHING to win.

[deckerd]

10. BOTH CAMPAIGNS have abandoned AR. In 2000 the result was a 5pt Gore loss.

Dems really do seem to run on blind faith.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Remember the only poll that matetrs is on Nov 2

they want to supress YOUR VOTe, by convincing you of this

[deckerd]

17. Like they've suppressed Nader voters?

I live in a VERY LIBERAL town. As in 2000, the Dem vote in these parts is already supressed, liberals in these parts seem to be very depressed and apathetic since 9/11 -- Dean managed to get them riled up but Kerry has not, although knowing what I know about Kerry I know this is because they only know what they hear in the media. (my extremely liberal yellow dog parents, for instance, and yellow dog dem relatives down south, know NOTHING of the content of the memos except that they were "proven" to be forged, they assume by the Kerry campaign which they find only mildly depressing. They do not find news coverage depressing at all, they are still wedded to NPR like all of my SCL neighbors.)

And that seems to be the reason the Dems have taken out their anger on Nader and are trying to do to Nader what GOP is doing to Kerry supporters in the swing states. From what I've seen, base voters are truly not as excited this year as the new voter swing voters in the swing states who are angry about the war. I believe many SCL's are truely indoctrinated by NPR and the nightly news and believe Kerry will lose like all other liberal Dems before him. All they know is we are at war, they are pissed about the war but frankly not as pissed as they should be.

If Dems keep it up against Nader as a scapegoat, I will vote for Nader in protest.

(I live in a deep blue state -- one of those deep blue states where turnout's gonna be dismal because of aforementioned liberal apathy. This is what's keeping Kerry numbers down nationwide despite enthusiasm for Kerry in the swing states. It's a huge problem getting SCL's to care about traditional Dem issues again that Kerry is fighting for.)

Kerry's best hope is not running up numbers in blue states, it's using Edwards to widen the gender gap.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Why don't you just vote for bush

ANY vote for ANY third party candidate, this includes Nader, is a vote for Bush.

By the way, you THINK Kerry is the same as BUSH?

Don't let the door hit you in the rear

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[ShaneGR]

26. Uhhhhh, case in point

When Ralph Nader's Republican supporters carefully followed a specific states guidelines on signature gathering, and made sure they had enough, they got Nader's name on the ballot. When they did not, he didn't get on.

Follow the law your Bush enabler gets on, don't follow the law, Bush has to do it by himself.

Not quite sure why you're blaming the Dems on this, we have to follow the same election law as Bush enablers do.

[deckerd]

27. A couple points and let's get back to the more productive subject of Ark.

a) I disagree with the concept of ballot access limitations.

b) * is not following ballot access law ( failed to qualify in FL )
and Dems in FL did nothing about it. Also Moore made a big point
about how Dems failed to defend voting rights of black congressional
leaders. Don't be surprised if F 9-11 on video INCREASES black
skepticism of the Democratic party, I live in a majority black area.
I do not hold Dems accountable per se to defend my voting rights,
but many blacks do. I do not believe in tit for tat politics though.
Everyone should have ballot access without their lawyers telling the
judge they should not get ballot access "unless I get PAYED, G!"

c) If we're going to have national election for an "imperial President"
who sets the tone for party viability, we need district-based
(NOT proportional, that's stupid!) distribution of electors.

We also need tohave proportional representation inside congressional
districts (e.g. 3-woman congressional districts like we have in the
MD State House).

Without these things a third party vote is little more than a
protest vote to begin with. I've already pointed out that thanks to
the media (and in this one area I agree with the "media is at fault"
folks), Kerry has not totally conserved the Dean energy on the left.
This is in the safe states, mind you, and it's not Kerry's fault;
Kerry's doing great among moderate voters in the swing states where
he gets free media. Many of my neighbors here in blue territory
still think Kerry's for the war and they listen to NPR religiously
and they seem to believe the country is moving to the right
(i disagree) and think that there's no hope of lifting a finger,
that "it's up to the next generation" which seems to be what NPR
teaches people to believe.

But the bottom line is, you can't say a lefty "has to be insane" to
be unenthusiastic about Kerry, because that's just not true given the
reality on the ground here in the safe states. I totally believe
polls that say Kerry hasn't solidified his base, and a tiny fringe
of Nader supporters can't be classified as undecideds when the
real undecided Dems outnumber them 10 to 1.

Hopefully these people will break for Kerry late and put him up big
electorally. But in this oppressive political atmosphere I wouldn't
be surprised to see a 68-style victory for B* followed by four years
of rewriting the history books to say he won in a landslide. It's
already happened with Reagan. Our polyanna-ish faith in a silent
liberal majority makes a 68 style outcome more likely, by making us
more complacent.

If anyone's voting for Nader at this late, they are a genuine
protest-voter who is by and lage anti-Kerry. I know a number of
these people myself. They may switch to Kerry at the last minute but
they would not be in the voting booth at all, if a third candidate
were not on the ballot.

[girl gone mad]

42. Dems didn't support the CBC because..

Gore ASKED THEM NOT TO. This was Gore's personal failure, not the Dems.

You're misinformed, but that isn't a surprrise coming from a Nader voter.

[deckerd]

46. I agree; just trying to explicate why blacks might not be as fired up

as we would like to believe/hope.

It could be some feel the Dems owed it to the disenfranchised voters to make a valiant, doomed charge on the issue. Unfortunately this would probably have ultimately produced an anti-Dem backlash from whites who believed the Dems were "sour grapes" and "pro-felon". This would have hurt the cause of convincing more Americans that something went wrong not just the recount. There were no good options. So the Dem leaders were right to play gracious and defer to the rank and file to express outrage at the outcome.

From reports I am reading here, all reports about black communities seeking to get even for 2000 have been hypothetical, whereas reports of black communities expressing (mostly unwarranted) apathy and skepticism about Kerry have been anecdotal. This is really too bad given his running mate's record on race is even better than Clinton's. I'd be overjoyed to see reports that are statistical saying that black voters are fired up. It could make the difference in Arkansas, for one thing.

[Warpy]

5. Anybody who believes this crap

should be very interested in my beachfront property here in the New Mexico Rockies. You don't have to come look at it, just take my word that it's the rival of anything you'd find on Bermuda, and that my three million dollar asking price is very reasonable.

[jpgray]

6. Note when Kerry pulls out he is giving up on a swing state

But when Bush pulls out, clearly that means the state is safe.

[deckerd]

19. Keep dreaming.

Bus* pulled out because Kerry camp pulled out WEEKS AGO.

Dean For America Little Rock chapter has DISBANDED.

Who's your #&%$ GOTV team in AR? Answer: NOBODY. Result, 5pt win for Bus*. Kerry has already conceded the state.

Kerry's strategy to pull ahead in AR was to unleash the Big Dog in October. Big Dog's wife is worried about his health and her chances.

You can't surreptitiously come from behind in Arkansas after waiting for Bus* to pull out. Not when your candidate is not from the region and his staff knows nothing about that part of the South, and is dependent on HIGHLY PUBLIC stumping by Edwards and Clinton to get any traction in October, something Edwards and CLinton HAVE NOT DONE.

There will be no groundswell from a jilted Arkansas public.

And feel free to blame AR for being ignorant when you wake up on Nov.3.

Quite a few Arkansas voters being ignorant is a FACT OF LIFE because it is one of the lowest educational state in the nation. I am not saying this to insult Arkansas voters but they are NOT affluent independent minded libertarians like voters in NH who could be expected to do something unpredictable and Capra-esque on election night.

They will snub the guy who failed to stump in their state and reward * because he's from a neighboring state. Many Arkansas voters know nothing about the Iraq war or who started it to get angry about, except that we're fighting the towelheads over there. It takes stumping and outreach to change minds and Ark was the only Southern state you might have pulled it off, because they are poor and less inclined to vote against their interests than people in Alabama or Missisippi. But if you snub Arkansas voters, they will vote against the Yankee by a wide margin, period. You should have factored that into your calculations instead of pulling out of the state and relying on the great good sense of its independent minded, highly educated voting population. Idjits.

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[jpgray]

22. Yikes! Take it easy.

The polls still show a near dead heat. Both Bush and Kerry feel they need to focus on other states. You need to stop attributing everything Bush does to some brilliant grand strategy, and by the same token stop viewing every Kerry action through a lens that assumes utter incompetence in everything.

[deckerd]

30. Sorry. I'm just real worried/pissed about this Arkansas thing.

Let's hope that the Kerry campaign is just pulling a feint and will bring Clinton out wearing a hospital gown in some kind of surprise appearance on the stump in Ark, like an unbilled touring band. That would change the dynamics and I'm surprised they haven't done it already. Maybe they can't AFFORD to create any buzz in Arkansas before October, for fear that * would outspend them.

[democratreformed]

38. HELLO!!!!!! I, for one, believe the campaign is just taking a different

strategy. A group of us are going canvassing tomorrow in Beebe, Arkansas. We are just gearing up and WE INTEND TO WIN.

As far as being snubbed, our local news is LAUGHING at the national reports and showing the polls that say the race is very close. Also, we have had at least two visits by the Kerry-Edwards team (first Kerry, then Edwards). Of course, that doesn't compare to the puke visits - but, hey, there's still time.

We've also had Elizabeth Edwards, BTW. And WE STILL HAVE WES AND GERT.

[deckerd]

41. I hope you're right... keep up the good work. (n/t)

[Jane Austin]

31. Big Dog's wife is worried about his health and her chances.

Oh, please.

Nobody but Limbaugh and Fox believes that.

Hillary is smart enough to know that if we have another four years of Bush, they'll have destroyed everything good about this country - including voting rights - and if she wants to run for President, she couldn't possibly win then against their stacked deck.

Her only hope, just as for the rest of the country, is a Kerry win.

[deckerd]

47. It's an unfounded rumor that I'm confident will be dispelled in Ark

But indications are Clinton et al. are still publically skeptical about Kerry's campaign prowess and perhaps don't realize their own value as cheerleaders. We hear alot of constructive criticism from the Clinton people (whom I regard as to the right of the Kerry people and myself, just so you know where I'm coming from), most of which is valid. If anyone should come out as a flat-out cheerleader for Kerry's prospects, it's Bill Clinton, regardless if he believes what he's saying. :-)

Let's hope they come out strongly for Kerry on the stump, the way
Wes Clark and Dean have done. That would stick it to the myth
(which we all know ain't gonna happen) and not incidentally give us Arkansas.

[democratreformed]

43. So, are you from Arkansas?

What, do you believe, would be a wise strategy to use with "ignorant" people. No, I didn't take offense and I understand what you are saying. AND, I know it's true. I thought we had moved beyond the "he's gonna take your guns away" crap (seeing as how that would be almost impossible to do). But, I heard it again today. That's the kind of ignorance being faced.

Oh, and ignorant = uneducated

Edited again: I just answered my own question. DUH!

[deckerd]

48. No, my folks

are from thereabouts.

(East Texas, Northern LA -- Winnsboro to be exact.)

The liberal side of my family is from the upper Midwest (Lutherans, dontcha know) but my Southern roots are somewhat yellow dawg.

In Winnsboro, Houston is regarded as "the city" to which all
the kids flee. In Houston, it's Austin.

:-)

I went "dove-hunting" in Houston a while back, my uncle and I spent
most of the time practicing pot-shots with a 45 and talking politics.
I did not realize some of my relatives down there were anti-Bush.

Ironically, my upper-Midwest Lutheran relatives send us e-mails praying the Lord to re-elect *. I think they've all converted to Missouri Synod Lutheranism.

[democratreformed]

50. I've been to Winnsboro. We did some work at Winnsboro Elevator.

I can't remember the manager's name there, but he was a real nice fellow. I spent the summer a couple of years ago working in Delhi but staying in Lake Providence. We've worked pretty much all over Northeast LA.

[crispini]

52. Huh.

There is still, AFAIK, a Kerry official campaign office in Texarkana. A friend of mine was there a few days ago; she drove up from Dallas to volunteer & help.

[onehandle]

7. How about Texas?

If they're pulling out of Arkansas, they might be pulling out of Texas.

Then we can swoop in and win it.

General Rove, you'd better put all your troops in Texas. Watch your ass.

[crispini]

11. They aren't IN Texas

Neither Shrub nor Kerry has official campaign offices anywhere here. No ads, neither, except what we get on CNN. It's 100% volunteer madhouse and local congressional races down here.

Interesting thing is that 6 most-contested congressional races are here. DCCC is putting some $$$ into those races. The #2 most expensive race after the presidential is here: Frost-Sessions. Here's hoping that those races plus our all-grassroots effort has some effect! :)

Edit: That said, after voter registration is over, I am planning some road trips to Arkansas. :D

[angryinoville]

13. I soke to someone from Texas last night...

and she made it sound like * doesn't have it all sewn up there. Could she be right?

[crispini]

15. One of my Independent friends says

that all of her Democratic friends think the state will go for Shrub, and all of her Republican friends (!) think that the state is in danger and could even go for Kerry. That's anecdotal, though... if we did go blue, I'd be amazed.

However, Richard Morrison is within 8 points of kicking out Tom DeLay. Contribute NOW! (see sig).

[onehandle]

16. Nah, I was joking.

But not to you, General Rove. Go ALL OUT in Texas!

California too!

[Parche]

8. AR

If we get AR and all the other states Gore got, then we win

[Iceburg]

12. Race2004.net is a Republican/Gallup propaganda site

[deckerd]

20. Is it? I go there for Nader ballot access information

Maybe that explains her unhealthy fixation with the subject. Cynical assholes. (I am referring to the woman and her husband who run race2004.net). They do a good job of hiding it.

I'm greatly afraid we're moving into a period of overt psy-ops against the American people.

It's ironic one of the reasons populists, progressives and the left are so weak is because they were portrayed as PC, tinfoil-hat conspiracists throughout the 80's for suggesting this.

It wasn't true back then the way it is now. The intentions were merely obvious to some of us.

[sundancekid]

53. are you reading any other factual parts of that site?? what WOMAN??

the site is run by Stephen Lorimer and his husband Jeff Cline according to their own site statements and copyrights ...
www.race2004.net

~snip~
The Webmaster

Until recently this site was a one-person labor of love. We was really me, Stephen. Race 2004 doesn't generate a dime of income, but does give me a hobby and some practice for my php programming skills. In the interest of full disclosure, I am a liberal Democrat who listens to Air America and usually votes for the most pro-gay Democrat on the ballot. I try not let my biases affect this site's analysis though, as I want our conclusions to be as accurate as possible.

If you want to e-mail me you can do so at [e-mail]. I am happy to receive suggestions, links to new polls, corrections, comments, criticisms, and the like.

The other person involved in the site is my web designer and husband, Jeff. I'm not much of a visual person, being more of a programmer and concept sorta guy. Jeff has a great eye for visual detail though, so he took it upon himself to revise this website. He is building a portfolio for a freelance web design business, so feel free to e-mail him at [e-mail] if you like his work and would like to speak to him about designing or revising your site. He's also the person that did the great little cartoons of Bush, Kerry, and Nader.
~snip~

There's just something about your protestations, hand wringing and narrow focus that doesn't add up to me. That's simply IMHO.

With a teeny tiny bit of interest you would have found a much more reputable electoral vote site such as www.electoral-vote.com where the DISCUSSION of the wild swings, quality of pollsters etc. would put results in a realistic context! Also, try calling Kerry HQ and see if ANYBODY thinks they have abandoned Arkansas ... why not verify for yourself first???

[Cha]

57. "Moving in" and coming from!

I can imagine their war rooms!

[The Chronicler]

23. Why don't I just off myself?

jeeze louise

[ShaneGR]

25. Voting rights depend on the ability to LEGALLY gain ballot access

And, in multiple states, Ralphie (Member of a dozen different parties), did not follow the law. Each state has specific regulations governing ballot access, if the Pukie Nader crew (about 99% Republican) couldn't follow that, then they need to get their asses sued.

I rest my case.

[deckerd]

34. I agree he's a fool; Arkansas is more important

I threw that bit in there about Nader. Fool or not, someone who wants to vote Nader after all is said and done with the B* administration deserves that right. It's the principle of the thing.

The fact that Nader's shenanigans (brought on by the access restrictions themselves) place him afoul of some states' ballot access regulations and not others just reminds us of the (constitutionally sanctioned) geographical inequality created by these differing restrictions. It's the same situation Gore encountered with the county-by-county election laws in FL.

Back to the subject at hand: I genuinely hope Kerry's pulling a fast one in AR. I suspect without AR Kerry could wind up ahead in the popular vote and behind 6 points in electoral votes (Colorado included). We have to assume one or two Gore states may go for * due to 9-11 fearmongering and offset gains in other areas like MO or WV.

Also, we can't rely on the debates to change polls in AR. May just remind them that Kerry's a Yankee, even if Arkansans by and large agree with his politics.

Maybe Kerry team is assuming SOuth will solidify for * IF AND BECAUSE the north + midwest solidifies for Kerry after the debates.

This would give Kerry a Lincolnesque electoral victory.

[Sparkly]

28. No kidding -- it costs money to run for president?!

Who'd have thought?!

[HFishbine]

33. "the anti-vote choice Dem party" ???

Since that description is not on the site you provided, I assume those are your words?

And you were all the way up to 86 posts. All that hard work...

[deckerd]

39. Perhaps I was too forceful. I meant Dem higher-ups who thot this necessary

I do not believe the Dem party should be anti-ballot access for anybody. That does NOT make me a freeper!!!

As for 86 posts, I notice I got a "welcome to the board" in nary a
one... do people hang around waiting to see if someone is a freeper?

Perhaps if you saw my posts had some content and validity and honesty
you could tell I am not trolling... I am just intensely frustrated about this Arkansas issue.

Do you really believe Kerry can win without Arkansas? Take a look
at the (independent) polling firms... Arkansas is consistently polling closer than other states such as WV, even Nevada. The electoral vote
mechanics make it even more difficult.

I'm talking WITHOUT Florida, here, people. Kerry's strategy has to go all out for FL but ASSUME a narrow defeat there because if he wins FL he's almost guaranteed to win the election without a single Bush state. Anything extra is bupkiss.

He has to have a back-up plan, and once you put FL and OH aside for a moment, you begin to see where it gets difficult. We can't put all our eggs in one basket.

Of course, I COULD BE a freeper secretly trying to fool the Dems into spending money in a state they have NO chance of winning... because the media says so... yeh that makes sense... all part of my plan to take over the world, y'know. :-)

[smiley_glad_hands]

61. Welcome to DU.

I have a sister-in-law that lives in Eureka Springs,ARK. Supposedly it is a liberal small town. Anyway, personally, I think ARK is in play, I don't have any proof other than polls showing a tight race. If W is pulling people out, maybe Kerry should put some people back in.

[juajen]

68. Well, I don't ever remember being welcomed to DU

I just hung in there. I'm not questioning your right to be here and disagreement with DU general wisdom. However, you will be judged. We are infiltrated on a regular basis and some of their tactics we recognize. Time will tell. Just be yourself, and since I didn't get much of a welcome at DU, and this was a pretty long time ago, I will say to you, WELCOME TO DU.

[AP]

37. All things considered, lawyers fees aren't that much. If Nader can't get

the $ to pay lawyers, he certainly isn't going to have the money to run a race. How much does Nader care to be on the ballot?

Or should we not have access fees/procedures for courts OR ballots so that EVERYONE can be on the ballot and so the courts can be clogged (which is practically what they do in FL so that there can be so many different parties that all take votes from Dems).

[nolabels]

44. Bush abandoned California

Only comes around here when he trying to squeeze more money out of place, somehow that sounds familiar


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[kwolf68]

49. I don't get it

-Kerry pulled staffers from Arizona and this means Kerry is giving that state to Bush

-Bush is pulling staffers from Arkansas and this means Bush is taking that state from Kerry

[Heath.Hunnicutt]

51. Glad to hear that Nader can't buy ability to disrupt elections in PA!

In our two-party, Presidential system, putting Nader on a ballot this year is a move against democracy.

In the abstract, our democratic process would be open to all comers, and also be able to survive the influences of unelectable but attractive candidates. Right now, it has neither property. Happilly, these two wrongs are making a right because Nader is being kept off some ballots.

If he were a truly viable candidate, people would give him plenty of money. The fact that his campaign is out of money is a wonderful sign and should encourage others to continue trying to drive Nader out of existence. We should have a campaign to call his 800 numbers.

[Seeking Serenity]

54. Kerry's camp announced earlier this week that they were cancelling

TV ad buys in Arkansas. Heard it on the local news.

'Bout broke my heart. Surely they have a plan for winning Arkansas. They can't count on Blanche Lincoln coattails.

[Cha]

58. That discrepancy was all over DU

yesterday or the day before..Kerry is only taking a Week off from Arkansas, Arizona, Missouri, and West Virginia!:)

[Seeking Serenity]

59. Oh. Sorry.

Shame on me for not keeping up.

:dunce:

[Yuffi]

55. What?

"Similarly, they are ceasing their television advertising"

In texas I see frequent bush commcericals. Why would they stop airing in that state, but continue to do so in the one state bush will take unless hell freezes over?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

63. You are only seeing bush commercials in TX

if you see them on CABLE. As in CNN, etc. And you see Kerry ones on those stations, too. You don't see them run on local stations here, for Kerry either.

There is NO concerted campaign effort by either Kerry OR bush in Texas. It is all volunteer on both sides, as someone said above.

[tritsofme]

67. Is Bush adverstising on cable tv or regular tv? nt

[missouri dem]

60. Don't blame Kerry

The Kerry Campaign has pulled their ads here in Missouri too but I am not worried about it because the battle will be won here on the ground. This is our election and our responsibility as much as John Kerry's. TV ads are not nearly as important as each one of us getting off our asses and going door to door and phone banking. Don't wake up the morning after the election and wish that you had done more. Do it now and we will win in a landslide.

[kwolf68]

62. No big surprise

What with such a great job G.W.Bush is doing I can see why Kerry is giving up. /sarcasm

[atre]

64. You didn't read that correctly.

It says Nader's attorney asked to withdraw as counsel because he wasn't paid. It doesn't say he asked the Court to rule against Nader on that basis. To do so would violate the Rules of Professional Conduct.

Furthermore, I don't know why you consider it so heinous for the lawyer to do so. Would you commit yourself to fifty hours of work with no prospect of payment? I didn't think so.

[Night Gal]

65. When I said that yesterday I got slammed....

with bullshit about it only being for a week.

WTF?

[tritsofme]

66. Good move by both camps

spend money in PA and OH, not Arkansas, its going for Bush, no matter how much money we waste there.