Mainstream Republicans cannot stick with Bush

[cidliz2004]

How many main stream Republicans feel betrayed by this admininstration and want to go back to the "traditional" Republican values. Many Republicans seem to be very dismayed at what the Bush administration has been doing. How long will some of them be able to hold out? I cannot help but feel that the Republican Party has a real danger of splintering if Bush stays in power.


Another 4 years of Bush will destroy the Republican Party and cause a real transformation of thier values. How long will they be able to handle this? Will they be able to ALL become the radical right wingers? Do they even want to.

It is easy enough to understand that while Bush is in office these 4 years they will just sit tight, but will they be able to for another 4 years? I have serious questions about this.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Interesting you bring this up

I work in a strongly Republican area. But this year, I've noticed something different about the yard signs. There are signs for Republicans running for local office and for Congress. But not that many Bush/Cheney signs. Not that the local Republicans don't have a ton to give away. Last election, as I recall, I saw the Bush signs everywhere. They aren't as prevelant this time around, and there are actually Kerry signs up. I find that very interesting.

[calico1]

2. I agree and see the same kind of thing.

Local Republicans,especially if they are from a blue State like mine, tend to be Moderates, not RW wackos. None of mine are being vocal about thier support for * or even mentioning him in their campaigns. I think they feel that if they associate themselves too much with him it might cost them reelection. This was not the case 4 years ago.

[MuseRider]

6. I was just noticing

the same thing here. Many, many local repub signs very,very few Bush*/Cheney signs. This place was total B/C sign last election, it was disturbing how many there were. Now you are lucky to see one every week or so. Many more Kerry/Edwards signs although not too many here in my town but from what I have seen of Kansas City K/E is soaring.

[skygazer]

3. I wish my father would figure this out

He's an old school Republican and I've sent him any number of articles and op-ed pieces by and about Republicans who disagree with Bush and recognize that he is NOT a conservative in any sense of the word. My dad just doesn't get it. He's got that "faithful to the Party" mentality and it's like arguing with my bedside clock. I get nowhere.

This is a new Republican Party and you're right. They are completely changing the game plan. I wish more people would see that.

[wildeyed]

4. My mother-in-law say she will vote for W.rong,

but she gets shaking mad when she talks about Iraq. She is well aware that lives and $$$'s are being wasted. It is just that she can't bear the thought of voting for a democrat. My husband plans to write both his mother and father a heartfelt letter right before the election detailing why he supports John Kerry and why he thinks they should, too. I am hoping it is enough to tilt them over the line.

I don't know any repugs that actually support the shrub's policies. I tell them, vote Kerry this year and then please please get more involved with your party. Pick better candidates who represent mainstream republican thought. We can't survive much more of these radicals you guys keep electing.

[MuseRider]

7. That is a very good

response and one I may use if you do not mind! That would work in many cases, thanks.

[AlCzervik]

5. My sister in law is a main stream repub

she's 57, fairly wealthy but always bitches about money, she bitches about a lot of thing actually, not happy unless she's miserable. Anyhow, she's never met a tax dodge she didn't love but this time it's all about the war. Her son, my nephew is almost 18 and she sees the mounting fatalities and how young some of those kids are and she can't deal. Two years ago when she and her kids came to visit we agreed not to discuss politics because we were both firmly on our chosen sides, my only exception was when she asked me about the war that hadn't started yet my answer was always the same....huge mistake.

[cheshire]

9. She sounds like a lot of them it's about them and theirs and it only

sucks when bad things could include them. I concider them selfish. Sorry she is probably nice otherwise.

[AlCzervik]

15. She's basically ok, i mean she's a bit of a whack job

but treats my daughter like gold. I also live 3,000 miles away from her so she's much easier to deal with at a distance. She's also a lot older than me, almost 20 years.

[cheshire]

8. I've talked to about 6 repubs that are voting Kerry, My hubby saw one sign

in our neigborhood for *.

[Ready4Change]

10. I'm one.

I'm more moderate/left than most republicans, so I maybe saw what was up earlier than many. Even so I can't figure out why more aren't splitting with the party and/or speaking out.

I suspect many are considering it, but aren't taking about it out of fear of other repubs calling them foolish or turncoats. It would be something if they start talking out more, and start to find they've a lot of kindred spirits.

[wildeyed]

14. Some people can think independently better than others.

My husband is not a democrat, but he hates Bush worse than I do. He is fiscally very conservative and could see right away where Bush's economic and foreign policies were going.

I have a close friend who may be incapable of not voting bush. She KNOWS he is wrong, but she is can't go against her family. It is sad, actually, she is 30 years old.

[vademocrat]

11. Had an interesting conversation with someone at work

today - he's a lifelong repub & is voting for Kerry because he can't stand Bushco - said he can't stand the thought of 4 more yrs of Cheney as the real pres. His entire family of lifelong repubs (10 votes) is also voting dem this yr. This is in Richmond VA!! It's stuff like this that is making VA a battleground state & why I think it'll go "blue" in Nov.

[Ready4Change]

12. In Richmond? Wow.

Thats pretty conservative an area. Are you in Richmond itself, or in the outlieing areas? (I'd suspect the city itself to be more liberal.?"

[vademocrat]

19. Outside the city proper by a couple of miles - but still considered

close-in. I moved here last year but my brother assures me that this area was heavy * territory in 2000. Bumpersticker count is 3 to 1 Kerry & most of the * ones are the flag "W" - which are very hard to read. I think they're ashamed to have bush/cheney on their cars...

My spidey sense is telling me "there's something happening here"

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

20. Lots of Kerry stickers around town in Richmond, VA

I live in Lakeside, a suburb that is in Henrico county but is a blue collar type of burb.

I'm really surprised at the number of Kerry stickers. It is nothing like 2000, when ratio of * to Gore stickers seemed about 20 - 1.

Bush will take this area, but not by the margins he did in 2000. In VA, if we can get a few extra votes here and in the western parts of the state, Tidewater and the DC area may take us blue. I'd love to see it!

[cidliz2004]

13. This is my suspicion

The sane Republicans cannot be O.K. with the new face of the Republican Party. If they want to save the party I would assume that Bush would become the "sacrificial lamb" and he is history.

I believe that the Republican Party would rather dump Bush quietly in order to retain a strong party because there is no way in hell that Bush would ever finish out 4 years if he somehow ends up in office after Nov. 2. If Bush is in office after Nov. 2, the Republican Party is finished.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

21. How do you figure Bush doesn't last four more years?

It seems much more likely that the USA won't remain anything like the country I was raised in than Bush being removed from office.

With the control of the media the right has achieved, I'm afraid that Hitler's vision of a thousand year Reich might be created right here in the USA. Of course, it would be duly elected by voters too lazy to read a foreign paper and reporters too scared of their bosses and the government to tell the truth.

Hopefully, I'm just being a nervous nellie. As I noted above, I've seen a lot of Kerry stikers in Richmond, VA and this is a repugnagoon shronghold.

BTW, where do you find "sane" Republicans?

[against all enemies]

16. Bullshit - they are all on board. The house just voted to

limit the power of the Supreme Court in cases dealing with "under God", how many "main stream" Republicans voted against it? They are all working to grow their power, even if the Constitution dies because of it.

[BillZBubb]

17. The sad truth is that the vast majority will stick.

They have a twisted sense of loyalty and "values". They may know he's screwing the country, but they'll convince themselves that a Democrat would be worse. How that is even concievable, I don't know.

You can't be really smart and be a Republican.

[cidliz2004]

18. You really don't need large numbers of them flocking

to us. You just need ENOUGH of them.

There are more than is being counted and/or thought of. There are just too many Repubs that are pissed at 43. I cannot be the exception and be lucky enough to be running into them. There are still more that will not vote for 43 and won't talk about it either.