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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 04:09 AM
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Damn all these "anti-American traitors"! (aka Only fools choose bush)
I'm starting to get very weary of the idiotic rightwingnuttery chanting about "you anti-American liberal traitors". So, dear stupid rightwingnuts, how about THESE "anti-American liberal traitors"?

Republicans such as Poppy and Babs 'beautiful mind' Bush's close personal friend, Hilary Cleveland, president of the GOP Women for Kerry Steering Committee.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0912-06.htm

Republican senator Chuck Hagel, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee;

"No, I don't think we're winning," Hagel told a CBS interviewer. "We're in trouble, we're in deep trouble in Iraq."
http://www.iht.com/articles/539563.htm

Republican senator Richard Lugar, Foreign Relations Committee chairman, was asked on ABC why only $1 billion of the $18 billion appropriated last year for Iraqi reconstruction had been spent.

"Well, this is the incompetence in the administration," he replied.
http://www.iht.com/articles/539563.htm

Republican senator John McCain - who, like Hagel and Lugar, has often criticized administration planning on Iraq - said a key error had been allowing insurgents to keep control of the city of Falluja, after vowing to oust them.
http://www.iht.com/articles/539563.htm

”We have a stronger jihadi presence in Iraq today than in March 2003,” noted Roger Cressey, the former director for Transnational Threats in Bush's National Security Council at a briefing at the libertarian Cato Institute earlier this week.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0911-01.htm

Retired general William Odom, former head of the National Security Agency: "Right now, the course we're on, we're achieving Bin Laden's ends…. I've never seen it so bad between the office of the secretary of defense and the military. There's a significant majority believing this is a disaster. The two parties whose interests have been advanced have been the Iranians and al-Qaeda. Bin Laden could argue with some cogency that our going into Iraq was the equivalent of the Germans in Stalingrad. They defeated themselves by pouring more in there. Tragic."
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

Retired General Joseph Hoare, the former marine commandant and head of US Central Command: "The idea that this is going to go the way these guys planned is ludicrous. There are no good options. We're conducting a campaign as though it were being conducted in Iowa, no sense of the realities on the ground. It's so unrealistic for anyone who knows that part of the world. The priorities are just all wrong."
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

Republican Rep. Bereuter: War in Iraq not justified

"I've reached the conclusion, retrospectively, now that the inadequate intelligence and faulty conclusions are being revealed, that all things being considered, it was a mistake to launch that military action,"

That's especially true in view of the fact that the attack was initiated "without a broad and engaged international coalition," the 1st District congressman said.

"Knowing now what I know about the reliance on the tenuous or insufficiently corroborated intelligence used to conclude that Saddam maintained a substantial WMD (weapons of mass destruction) arsenal, I believe that launching the pre-emptive military action was not justified."

As a result of the war, he said, "our country's reputation around the world has never been lower and our alliances are weakened."

"Left unresolved for now is whether intelligence was intentionally misconstrued to justify military action," he said.

Republican Rep. Doug Bereuter is a senior member of the House International Relations Committee and vice chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2004/08/18/top_story/10053833.txt

Dick Cheney in April 1991, then Defense Secretary

If you're going to go in and try to topple Saddam Hussein,you have to go to Baghdad. Once you've got Baghdad, it's not clear what you do with it. It's not clear what kind of government you would put in place of the one that's currently there now. Is it going to be a Shia regime, a Sunni regime or a Kurdish regime? Or one that tilts toward the Baathists, or one that tilts toward the Islamic fundamentalists?

How much credibility is that government going to have if it's set up by the United States military when it's there? How long does the United States military have to stay to protect the people that sign on for that government, and what happens to it once we leave?
http://slate.msn.com/?id=2072479

GHW Bush, 1998;

"Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."
http://www.rense.com/general43/quote.htm

Brent Scowcroft, one of the Republican Party’s most respected foreign policy advisors, and national security adviser under President Gerald Ford and George H.W. Bush:

Don't Attack Saddam It would undermine our antiterror efforts. "Our pre-eminent security priority--underscored repeatedly by the president--is the war on terrorism. An attack on Iraq at this time would seriously jeopardize, if not destroy, the global counterterrorist campaign we have undertaken."
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/iraq_yang020815.html

Norman Schwarzkopf - Four Star General:

"The general who commanded U.S. forces in the 1991 Gulf War says he hasn't seen enough evidence to convince him that his old comrades Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and Paul Wolfowitz are correct in moving toward a new war now. He thinks U.N. inspections are still the proper course to follow. He's worried about the cockiness of the U.S. war plan, and even more by the potential human and financial costs of occupying Iraq….(And don't get him started on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld)"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A52450-2003Jan27?language=printer

Col. Mike Turner (ret), Schwarzkopf's personal briefing officer during Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm

The uniformed Joint Staff in the Pentagon strongly opposed this plan early on...The uniformed Joint Staff was overridden, yet in so many horrifying ways this operation resembles Somalia, not Desert Storm...Perhaps we can pull this off, but here's a far worse scenario that's at least as likely...Photos of American soldiers amid landscapes of Iraqi civilian bodies blanket the world press which aligns unanimously against the US. The US is condemned by NATO and the UN...The war ends within a few weeks, but the crisis deepens...”
http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/transcripts/2003/mar/030311.turner.html

Col. David Hackworth (ret), America's most highly decorated soldier:

"Should the president decide to stay the war course, hopefully at least a few of our serving top-uniformed leaders - those who are now covertly leaking that war with Iraq will be an unparalleled disaster - will do what many Vietnam-era generals wish they would have done: stand tall and publicly tell the America people the truth about another bad war that could well lead to another died-in-vain black wall. Or even worse."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29786

James Webb, former Sec. of Navy under Ronald Reagan, Decorated Marine Veteran -

"Do we really want to occupy Iraq for the next 30 years? …In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets…. Nations such as China can only view the prospect of an American military consumed for the next generation by the turmoil of the Middle East as a glorious windfall."
http://www.sftt.org/article09302002a.html

Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former Head of Central Command for U.S.:

"It's pretty interesting that all the generals see it the same way, and all the others who have never fired a shot, and are hot to go to war, see it another…We are about to do something that will ignite a fuse in this region that we will rue the day we ever started."

Hawks in the Bush administration may be making deadly miscalculations on Iraq, says Gen. Anthony Zinni, Bush's Middle East envoy.

"I'm not sure which planet they live on"
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/10/17/zinni/

US Air Force General, Tony McPeak, a four-star general who headed the U.S. Air Force during Operation Desert Storm

McPeak served four years on the Joint Chiefs of Staff advising Bush’s father and then President Clinton after flying 269 Vietnam combat missions and participating in the Thunderbirds, the elite aerobatic team.

McPeak believes that President Bush should publicly admit personal failure. He claims Bush has botched the crucial process of coalition-building, has not enlisted the United Nations, and has failed to rebuild Afghanistan as a model of reconstruction.
http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=57303%3Ehttp://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=57303%20

TOP REPUBLICANS BREAK WITH BUSH ON IRAQ STRATEGY

Leading Republicans from Congress, the State Department and past administrations have begun to break ranks with President Bush over his administration's high-profile planning for war with Iraq, saying the administration has neither adequately prepared for military action nor made the case that it is needed.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/attack/2002/0816rep.htm

Republicans Who Voted Against Iraq Resolution Tell Why
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/11/194543.shtml

"Republican Dissent on Iraq"
Full page ad in Wall Street Journal by major GOP contributors:

"Mr. President, …The candidate we supported in 2000 promised a more humble nation in our dealings with the world. We gave him our votes and our campaign contributions. That candidate was you. We feel betrayed. We want our money back. We want our country back…. A Billion Bitter enemies will rise out of this war."
- Wall Street Journal, January 13, 2003
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/001444.html

Retired Envoys, Commanders Assail Bush Team
Administration Unable to Handle 'Global Leadership,' 27-Member Group Asserts
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46538-2004Jun16.html

Growing GOP Dissent On Iraq
Republican Party ranks are beginning to break and the White House is worried. Longtime GOP critics on Iraq are growing progressively more vocal in their condemnation.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/07/politics/main610787.shtml

Republican Senator Lincoln Chafee, says he might not vote for President Bush.

"There is no secret that on some very important issues I have difference with the current administration," Chafee said, listing abortion rights, the environment and war in Iraq.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1222081/posts

Republican Senator Lindsey Graham;

"What I like about him is that he can be a Republican senator and at the same time say he is unsure about a Republican president," Graham said. "He is a breath of fresh air in politics."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1222081/posts

But Senator Graham, isn't Senator Chafee a TRAITOR???

After all, we non-Republicans who feel the same way as the above Republicans do are denounced as TRAITORS. Oh wait, I forgot about rightwingnut HYPOCRISY and IDIOCY; they only believe DEMOCRATS are "anti-American traitors" for not worshipping their idiot idol bush.

So we have the top experts, the top military brass, America's top military heros...versus Dumbya who couldn't even do the nice cushy TANG job his daddy got for him.

Which would FOOLS choose?

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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 04:15 AM
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1. Incredible
Research!! Good Job!

Bookmarked..
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 04:24 AM
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2. add to the list, the following . . .
. . . . . . . .
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 05:12 AM
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3. Certainly!
Only fools choose Bush, not based on what they have found out and know to be true, but because the believe what they are told is totally true.

If we, as the American People, can manage to break out of that essential quandry, then we can endure, prosper, and grow out of it with honor.

If we cannot do that, then it is only going to be a lesson of "You get what you deserve!"

I am of the mind that the combination of evolution and sincere religious comprehension will be a vote for the advancement of Humanity at large.

I cannot shake the idea that these very troubling times spell out nothing more than a prelude to a new age that will lift this planet to new levels and greater compassion.

Does that sound odd, strange, or naive? Got ask any other visionary. There is no progress or transformation without some gowning pains. Sorry!

I see young newcomers already crying in their milk/beer, and not seeing just how much is really awaiting their maturation in this serious and meaningful struggle. This is not a vido game or movie, this is real, and, historically, it is clearly spelled out. You must learn, understand, struggle, and fight to the end. Crying is not the name of the game at all. This is not a soap opera, it is the future of all Humainty and you are a player in that game. What does it mean to you?
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 12:01 PM
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7. Welcome!
Edited on Sat Sep-25-04 12:01 PM by drfemoe
to DU, MatrixEscape :hi:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 01:54 PM
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8. Check this thread
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 09:04 PM
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15. come on
down to the "Meeting Room".. Tried to send pm.. but you have too few posts so far. You have a lot to contribute.
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SoCalDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 05:33 AM
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4. wow

That thread needs to be bookmarked and made sticky.
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AussieDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 07:05 AM
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5. But are their voices really being heard ???
To my mind, the three that would have the biggest bang for their buck are the Senators - Hagel, Lugar and McCain. What better revenge for McCain than for him to schmooze to Bush at the convention, then pull the rug out from under him in the home stretch.

But realistically, folks, it ain't gonna happen - these people are Republicans first and Americans second. The greater good of the country comes a very distant second to the needs of the party - and America will pay for it for generations to come if Bush wins the election.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-04 10:03 AM
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6. Or if he manages to again steal it.
bush is playing politics with people's lives; sick MFer.

And welcome to DU, MatrixEscape and AussieDave! :hi:
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:09 AM
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9. This is a great list.
I'm going to give it a kick.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:29 AM
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10. Put this into a format that will print legal size like this one
And distribute it. Go to http://somnamblst.tripod.com to download high resolution TIF or PDF file to print.

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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:20 AM
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11. bounce
:bounce:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:41 AM
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12. This is a fantasic list, Lynn!
I didn't know about .."Gop women for Kerry"!

Thanks!

"As an adjunct professor of political history at Colby-Sawyer, a small liberal arts college just down the street from the Cleveland homestead, Hilary Cleveland talks and thinks a lot about politics at an age when others might be content to enjoy a quiet retirement. ''We have the future to think of," she said, citing her urgent concern for the threatened environment, the ballooning deficit, and the faltering status of the United States in the international community.

I would think someone "teaching political history at a small liberal arts college" would be more of a Thinking Person who would be appalled at what the bushcabal is doing.


''Jim would be horrified," she said of her late husband's likely reaction to Bush administration policies that have created record $400 billion deficits. ''Republicans are fiscal conservatives. Cutting taxes at the same time you are spending billions for this war makes no sense. My father used to say, 'When the going gets tough, tighten your belt; you can't spend what you don't have.' That's always made sense to me. It's really a Republican idea."

bush inc..are not even republicans. Do Evil Slime have a party?

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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 12:12 PM
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13. Thanks for the hard work!
:kick: Your list will be forwarded to everyone I know.
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 12:48 PM
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14. Great List!
Thanks for posting it.

I have recently been amused that Chuck (voting machine) Hagel is now speakiing out against the Bush Cabal.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 09:09 PM
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16. You are a true patriot, thank you for your hard work and for sharing
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 11:58 AM
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17. Found this on the home page
It's useful to visit it every so often!
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