How do you call out a consistent liar??

[saccheradi]

I was talking with a friend who's got a little girl and is afraid for her safety and future. She used to be a solid Dem before the 2000 election, and then, instead of being pissed off that the election was stolen, she started to think that * makes her feel safe. She doesn't care that he's a lying weasel as long as he appears strong and steadfast.

The fact is, he's a very convincing liar with a huge machine behind him and people BELIEVE that he's sincere. And their fear drives them to accept Him because they view foolish action as "decisive", even if it's wrong.

So how do you turn the lie to the truth? What TRUTHFUL and WISE words and actions can EFFECTIVELY expose this idiotic "decisiveness" as harmful as it is, and make people WANT to replace it with Kerry's WISE Resolution??? (IN 30 seconds or less...)

[Radical Activist]

1. No one who lies to our troops to start a war

should be elected. Every single reason Bush gave for the war in Iraq was a complete lie and that is the greatest breach of trust any President can make. No excuses.

[saccheradi]

2. true, but going to war was action...

and many fools saw that as good leadership in the face of opposition...

[Lefty48197]

9. Remind your friend that Osama Bin Laden doesn't know where Iraq is

Also remind your friend that her "protector" doesn't know where Bin Laden is, and doesn't even seem to care, since he's got a war more to his liking to fight.

[EST]

3. Give your friend a copy of Kerry's last speech

I've watched it through four times and am watching it right now and I still get cold chills...

[hlthe2b]

4. That's a problem: habitual liars even tend to immunize themselves

from libel/slander suits because one has to prove knowing attempts to malign falsely and when it is a pattern of behavior, it becomes very difficult. That's how assholes like O'Liely get by with so much (as I believe Al Frannken has pointed out several times).

I wish I had an answer, but the only thing I can think of is to make honesty a life and death issue--people--our soldiers-- die when you are not honest. Further honesty is the ultimate moral value among Christians, Jews, and all the great religions...

[saccheradi]

5. it is in those very groups that he seems to have the most believers...

They think he is honest. and telling or showing them he's not hasn't yet been effective... it's mind boggling!

[Gyre]

6. Forget about it

unless you have time to kill. There's plenty of information out in the public domain, for those who're curious, which make it plain that * isn't what he appears to be and is an itinerate liar. But people see things through their own filters.

I wouldn't call * a "convincing liar" unless one is predisposed to believe him. He's got no facts to support what he says and he totally failed to deliver on his campaign promises of 2000. If that doesn't make him a liar I don't know what does. As to security, his administration completely blew off warnings about 9/11 in advance and presided over the worst terrorist attack in US history. That makes him responsible. If that doesn't make him a loser I don't know what does.

If your friend can't see these truths after having it pointed out to her once, she's a freeper, and she won't be swayed by you. The best you can do is demoralize her with the facts so she won't vote this year.

Gyre

[NMDemDist2]

7. send her this.....

Bush has still only given lip service to "Homeland Security." We still only check 5% of incoming cargo in our seaports and this article was enough to make your hair stand on end....

Airport security 'embarrassing'
23/09/2004 19:51 - (SA)

Washington - Undercover agents smuggled explosives and weapons past security screening at 15 airports across the United States in an operation that highlighted embarrassing deficiencies, US media reported on Thursday.

The operation was carried out in late 2003 and the department of Homeland security's inspector general, Clark Kent Ervin, said in a report that the performance of some airport security guards was worse than before the September 11 2001 attacks.

"The performance was poor," Ervin was quoted as saying as he presented details of the report to Congress on Wednesday.

According to USA Today newspaper the tests highlighted problems in detecting explosives like that used to blow up two airliners in Russia last month.

The newspaper said representative John Mica, chair of a House of Representatives aviation sub committee, confirmed that weapons and explosives were missed by airport screeners.

He was quoted as saying that the results on weapons were "bad enough", but those on explosives were "absolutely horrendous". .....

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1594374,00.html

and this...

Bush Proposed Massive Cuts in Port Security Grant Funding. Bush's 2005 budget calls for $50 million for port security grants, down from $200 million in his 2004 budget. Seven million cargo containers arrive in US ports each year, but as few as 2 percent of those are screened. The CIA reported, "The United States is more likely to be attacked with a weapon of mass destruction smuggled into the country aboard a ship than one delivered by a ballistic missile." And a 2003 Pentagon simulation found that even a "minor" attack on a US port could shut down all the ports for a month. Budget of the United States, www.omb.gov; Journal of Commerce, 3/24/03; Sarasota Herald-Tribune, 7/10/03; Portland Press Herald, 7/5/03; Boston Globe, 6/21/03

Bush's Container Security Program Has Serious Gaps, is "Inherently Dangerous." Bush's Container Security Initiative uses ships' manifest data, which the GAO called "one of the least reliable or useful for targeting purposes," to evaluate risk. Council on Foreign Relations senior fellow Stephen Flynn called the program "inherently dangerous." The president of the American Association of Port Authorities, Kurt Nagle, said: "It's disheartening that port facilities have been neglected as a key player. Port authorities and facility operators are expected to comply with the new security regulations, at a cost of billions of dollars. Federal help is simply imperative in order to make that expectation reality." Sunday Telegram, 3/30/03; House HS Committee Democrats, America at Risk, 1/04; Congressional Quarterly, 2/9/04

[Lefty48197]

8. Tell your friend not to worry...

Bush got a memo that said Bin Laden is determined to attack inside the U.S., and NOW he's taking it very seriously.