Look what the FREEPERS are starting.....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Joanne98]

According to them Kerry wasn't Honorably Discharged. Here's an e-mail they're spamming around. We need to stop this before they get it going.

Why Kerry won't release his records.


Posted on 09/26/2004 12:02:42 PM PDT by skutter


I got the following in aemail forward. Can anyone verify the content. Why hasn't there been more pressure on John Kerry to release all of his records?

Unlike President Bush, Senator John McCain and former vice president Al Gore, John Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle medals. The real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March, 2001 almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended! This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect. There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. He was likely discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing trouser-tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted. His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire. Hopefully, this will blow up in his face before October 15th. ================================================================

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & #5).

Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY after only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."

On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainbridge, Maryland.

Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released?

Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?

On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive. On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.

Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:

1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.

3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.

4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.

5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President .. having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."


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[bringbackfdr]

1. Who the fuck cares?

[snowbear]

4. freeps

How can you stand to even go over there? :puke: Screw the Freepers and their mindless ditto-heads.

[Cocoa]

2. this stuff can't be stopped

but don't worry, anyone who takes the time to read this, let alone think about it, let alone believe it, already hates Kerry and is just looking for more to hate him about.

[Joanne98]

7. Look how successful the Swift Boat Liars have been?

They're full of shit but it doesn't matter. I'm sick of them getting away with lying.....

[LittleClarkie]

20. I'll be going with righteous indignation from here on out

I actually end up in tears half the time over this stuff.

Hearing our morning radio guys make fun of Max Cleland turned me a shade of blue.

And I feel like taking my father's medals down to the local pub, setting them up on the bar and asking the Conservative bastards there if I should just throw them out, considering the Navy apparently doesn't know how to give out a medal to save its life, not once by 5 times. And then I shall take the shadow box containing his medals and the flag that was on his coffin (the one I was awarded by the honor guard because my siblings wanted me to have it, even though I was the baby) and beat their chicken hawk heads in with it.

Last month, I heard Michael Savage (the one who couldn't figure out what was so wrong with Corsi calling Muslims "ragheads") saying that Kerry was trying to claim he'd gotten more medals in the shortest amount of time of anyone ever. Sad thing was Savage kept referring to the 6 medals. No, moron, that's 5 medals. Geez.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Go to snopes has been debunked

oh and one more thign, the freepers will start anything and if Kerry (when Kerry) gets elected, this is just the prelims to what you will hear

By the way these may be, with reason or not, the impeachment charges

That is why it maaters

[Joanne98]

9. I can't find it........

Do you have the link?

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Ok easier than that,

go to teh John Kerry site, his records ARE THERE, ALL OF THEM

[iamtechus]

14. Here's the snopes link:

Here's the link to Snopes where that's debunked (very bottom of the page).

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp

Back in 1969, Navy regulations specified that any soldier wounded in combat three times be automatically reassigned away from a combat zone to an assignment of his choosing (unless the thrice-wounded soldier specifically requested to stay). Four days after Kerry took his third hit of shrapnel, Commodore Charles F. Horne, an administrative official and commander of the coastal squadron in which Kerry served, forwarded a request on Kerry's behalf to the Navy Bureau of Personnel asking that Kerry be reassigned to "duty as a personal aide in Boston, New York, or Washington, D.C." Soon afterwards Kerry was transferred to Cam Ranh Bay to await further orders, and within a month he had been reassigned as a personal aide and flag lieutenant to Rear Admiral Walter F. Schlech, Jr. with the Military Sea Transportation Service based in Brooklyn, New York.

Kerry served with Admiral Schlech until the end of 1969, when he requested an early discharge from the Navy in order to run for a Massachusetts congressional seat. Admiral Schlech approved the request, and on 3 January 1970 Kerry received an honorable discharge, six months early.

[Joanne98]

15. Thanks.. I knew it was BS but I didn't want them to get started.

Stop the LIES before they get going!!!

[jpgray]

5. None of the five points are valid--this is a waste of time (nt)

[PROGRESSIVE1]

6. "HitlerRethugliKKK" can go %#&@ themselves in the A$$!!!

:argh:

[SidDithers]

8. From their own e-mail...

"On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve. "

Here's the document, his Honorable Discharge from the Reserves:
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Honorable_Discharge_From_Reserve.pdf

Freepers are stooopid.

Sid

[Joanne98]

16. Thankyou Sid.....

[Joanne98]

11. John Kerry HAS released ALL his military records!!!!!!!!!!!!

And anyone who says he hasn't is a FUCKING LIAR!!!!!!!!

John Kerry's Military Records

(From John Kerry's Website, www.johnkerry.com)

Military Service Awards
This file contains documents on the awarding of John Kerry's military service awards: 3 Purple Hearts, 1 Bronze Star, and 1 Silver Star.

Acceptance of Discharge Naval Reserve

Background Information

Bronze Star

Bupers Orders To Gridley

Change of Duty

DD214

DD215 (correction to DD214)

Duty Recommendation

Emergency Data

Enlistment Contract

Enlistment Photo

Fitness Reports

Honorable Discharge From Reserve

Leave Record

National Defense Service Medal

Naval Messages

Naval OCS Report

Nuclear Weapons Training Certificate

Office Order Memos

Officer Candidate Agreement

Order to Officer Candidate

Pay Entry Base Date

Personnel Casualty Report

Presidential Unit Citation

Purple Heart #1 Citation

Purple Heart #2 Citation

Purple Heart #3 Citation

Qualifications Questionnaire

Recommendations For Next

Record of Discharge

Release From Active Duty

Report of Home of Record

Request For History of Service

Request For Swiftboat Duty

Research Sheet F4-15

Reserve Office Appointment

Security Clearances

Service_Record

Servicemans Life Insurance

Silver Star

Statement of Service 1967

Temporary Orders and Ranks

Thrice Wounded Reassignment

Top Secret Clearance

Training School Record

Transfer To Standby Reserve

Travel Payment Order

Vietnam Service Medal

http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp

[KC21304]

12. Sorry, Kerry was honorably discharged on Feb 16, l978

after being on ACTIVE DUTY from Aug, l966 to Jan 1970 and in the Naval Reserve until his discharge on FEB 16, l978.

Contrast this to the boy wonder who quite flying with 26 months left on his sworn contract, which got him into the TANG.

Of course he has never honored a commitment in his life.

[Joanne98]

13. AWOL Chickenhawk Chimpy's military records.........

THE PARTIAL LIST!!!!!!!!

George W. Bush's Military Records
Documents Obtained by Walter Robinson, Martin Heldt and other researchers through the Freedom of Information Act:
Getting into the Guard
Statement of understanding (5/27/68): "Satisfactory participation during my membership in the Air National Guard of the United States will be attendance and satisfactory performance of assigned duties at 48 scheduled inactive duty training periods and 15 days' field training (active duty for training) annually, unless excused therefrom by proper authority. It also includes successful completion of on-the-job upgrade training."

(doc26.gif )- Contract of Service (5/27/68)

Agreement (5/28/68): "...I will serve with my parent ANG unit as directed by the unit commander, unless sooner relieved by competent military authority, for a minimum period of five (5) years..."

(doc23.gif )- Penalty for bad attendance (undated)

(doc24.gif ) - Statement of intent: "Flying is lifetime goal." (undated)

Press release (3/24/1970)

Second page of the PR release (3/24/70)

1972-1973
*Memorandum from Lt. Col. Killian to Lt. Col. Harris, 2/2/72 (page two): "Update me as soon as possible on flight certifications - specifically Bath and Bush."

*Memorandum from Lt. Col. Killian to Lt. Bush 5/4/72: "You are ordered to report to Commannder, 111th F.I.S. Ellington AFB, no lather than 14 May 1972 to conduct annual physical examination (flight)..."

*Lt. Col. Killian Memo to File 5/19/72: "I advised him of our investment in him and his commitment."

(doc7.gif ) - First transfer request; Bush applies to transfer with the 9921st in AL, a non-flying unit (5/24/72)

(doc6.gif )- Lt. Colonel Bricken's Response from AL (5/26/72)

(doc25.gif )- TXANG Recommends approval and notification if Bush is assigned to reserves. (6/??/72)

(doc5.gif ) - Air Force HQ Denver disallows transfer (date unclear)

*Lt. Col. Killian Memorandum for Record, 8/1/72: "...suspended from flight status due to failure to perform to USAF/TexANG standards and failure to meet annual physical examination (Flight) as ordered...Officer has made no attempt to meet his training certification or flight physical."

(grounded.gif ) - Bush's suspension from flying; "Reason for Suspension" Failure to accomplish annual medical examination." (9/29/72; confirming verbal orders of 8/1/72) (James Bath is also suspended on this same document.)

(doc2.gif ) - Bush request for temporary transfer to 187th Tac Recon Grp. in AL (Bush letter, 9/5/72)

(doc11.gif )- AL ANG HQ approval for Bush to train with the 187th. (9/15 and 9/29, 1972)

(doc4.gif ) - Annual Officer Effectiveness Report part 1..."Not Observed" in all categories. (5/2/73)

(doc9.gif ) - Annual Officer Effectiveness Report part 2..."Not Observed at this unit during the period of this report." (5/2/73)

(doc17.gif ) - Special Order from Department of the Air Force, Ellington AFB, ordering Bush to perform 9 days duty in May/June 1973. (5/1/73)

*Memo from Killian, recipient not noted, 6/24/73 (see p. 6): "I got a call from your office today concerning the evaluation of 1st Lt. Bush...Neither Lt. Col Harris or I feel we can rate 1st Lt. Bush since he was not training with 111th F.I.S. since April 1972..."

(doc12.gif )- USAF requests more information on Officer Effectiveness Report; "This Officer should have been reassigned in May 1972 since he is no longer training in his AFSC or with his unit of assignment." (6/29/73)

*Killian Memo to File, 8/18/73: "Harris gave me a message from Grp today regarding Bush's OETR and Staudt is pushing to sugar coat it. Bush wasn't here during rating period and I don't have any feedback from 187th in Alabama. I will not rate. Austin is not happy today either."

(doc28.gif )- Major Martin replies; "Not rated for the period 1 May 72 through 30 Apr 73. Report not available for administrative reasons." (11/12/73)

1972-1973 Days Credited:
As received by Marty Heldt in July 2000
As published by "George" Magazine 10/19/2000
As released by the White House in February 2004
(Boy, that document sure has gone through the wash a few times! Wonder what's on the original microfiche?)
(doc16.gif ) - 1973 days credited. (undated, unsigned)

Getting Out of the Guard
(Doc20.gif ) - Bush request for discharge from Texas Air National Guard and Transfer to inactive reserves - Bush letter (9/5/73)

(doc27.gif ) - Request Discharge recommended for approval by Col. Killian (9/6/73)

(doc10.gif ) - Chronological Listing of Service (undated; last entry 10/1/73)

(ang22.gif ) - Bush discharge papers (10/1/73)

(Doc21.gif )- Texas Air National Guard OK for transfer to inactive reserves (10/16/73)

(doc14.gif ) - "Military Biography" of George W. Bush (unsigned, undated - no mention of Alabama)

Documents Released by the White House February 10, 2004:
Jan. 6, 1973 USAF Dental Exam Record for 1st Lt. George W. Bush

Memorandum of Lt. Col. Albert C. Lloyd, Jr. (Ret.) (Analysis of Military Payroll Records for George W. Bush for service from 1972 to 1973) (undated memorandum)

USAF Reserve Personnel Record Card for 1st Lt. George W. Bush (Covers period from 27 May 1972 to 26 May 1973)

ARF 1st Statement of Points Earned by 1st Lt. George W. Bush (1972-1973)

ARF 2nd Statement of Points Earned by 1st Lt. George W. Bush (1973)

Military Payroll Records of 1st Lt. George W. Bush (1972-1973)

(More documents linked from USAToday.com)

http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp

SORRY FREEPERS IT'S A NO GO!!!!!!!

[Lefty48197]

17. Look at the kind of idiots that support George Bush!

That's my response.
Oh yeah. This too:

[stevedeshazer]

19. Here's Bush's ribbons

[LittleClarkie]

18. This can boomerang against them

The more they insinuate that the Navy doesn't know what they're doing in either giving out medals or in discharging someone properly, the more veterans they piss off.

And if Kerry's DD214 says he's honorably discharged, then he's honorably discharged. If his official records are declared invalid on this point, then neither will the Freepers have a leg to stand on when they say "But Bush was honorably discharged."

Give them enough rope, and they will hang themselves.

[Zen Democrat]

21. That's BS. Kerry has released everything. He allowed reporters to look

at his medical records, but doesn't publicly distribute because they are private, and I agree with that. Bush certainly hasn't released his medical records.

But, Bush hasn't released his DD214, which would definitely state what his discharge status was.

This is another example of the Repukes accusing the opposition of the very things they are guilty of to mask their own inadequacies as a diversionary tactic. It's getting old. And obvious.

[Fiendish Thingy]

22. Rather than just an attack on Kerry, this might be

a diversion to get the media focused back on Vietnam and away from Iraq. Bush is "safe", because his records are "forged", but Kerry's arent'...just looking at how DU's reacted seems to support this...the more we talk about Viet Nam and the less we talk about Iraq, Bush benefits...if we can focus on Bush's "miscalculations" in Iraq, he's toast.