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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 03:39 PM
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Dubya", more severely mentally incapacitated than thought?
http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/101/399/14257_Bushism.html

Questions are arising about Bush's mangling and mixture of words, as the American press frequently calls "Bushism".

While we may think it is funny, one doctor is saying that Bush is suffering from the onset of Alzheimer's disease and his "bushisms", or mangled words, are a symptom physicians call confabulation' and are almost specific to the diagnosis of a true dementia.

If readers remember, Bush"s behavior has gotten pretty erratic and totally out character for a person of his religious beliefs. White house staffers complain that Bush can go from Bible quoting in the morning staff meetings to sudden outbursts of screaming rage the next. They have also reported Bush given them directives to "F*** over someone who has irritated Bush. Bush doesn"t seem to be able to recall his own behavior or his outbursts of absolutely frightful screaming tantrums.

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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 03:43 PM
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1. Well, fifty million viewers can give a second opinion come Thursday!
If I was his handlers, I'd be afraid of his creative use of language... more afraid than Kerry's handlers about his perspiration.
What petty little punks the * camp is. THEY WILL GET THEIRS COME THURS.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 03:48 PM
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3. We should get popcorn to throw at the screen
when Snidely Bushwhack appears, just like they used to do to villains in old-fashioned melodramas.

Hissss!!
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 03:53 PM
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4. Election aside, I cannot recall an American public figure more hated than
this man. Yet, he just keeps puttering onward, like Mr. Magoo. He is dangerous.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:41 PM
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18. He is dangerous? Oh Dear,
Look what you've done, you reminded me of the song "Then We Are Decided" From Jesus Christ Super Star. So here it is with some slight modifications: :P

JOHN KERRY

Ah gentlemen, you know why we are here.
We've not much time, and quite a problem here

MOB (outside)

Dubya! Superstar!
Dubya! Superstar!
Dubya! Superstar!
Dubya! Superstar!

EDWARDS

Listen to that howling mob of blockheads in the street!
A trick or two with taxes, and the whole town's on its feet.

ALL (inside)

He is dangerous!

MOB (outside)

Dubya Superstar!

ALL (inside)

He is dangerous!

MOB (outside)

Tell us that you're who they say you are.

CARVILLE

The man is in town right now to whip up some support.

SASSO

A rabble rousing mission that I think we must abort.

ALL (inside)

He is dangerous!

MOB (outside)

Dubya Superstar!

ALL (inside)

He is dangerous!

EDWARDS

Look Kerry, they're right outside our yard.

CARVILLE

Quick Kerry, go call the DU guard.

KERRY

No, wait!
We need a more permanent solution to our problem.

EDWARDS

What then to do about Dubya and Cheney ?
Miracle wonder men, heroes of fools.

CARVILLE

No backbone, no service, no mercy, all slogans.

KERRY

One thing I'll say for him -- Dubya's a fool.

KERRY

We dare not leave him to his own devices.
His half-witted fans will get out of control.

ADVISORS

But how can we stop him?
His glamour increases
By leaps every moment; he's top of the poll.

KERRY

I see bad things arising.
The crowd crown him king; which the law won't allow.
I see blood and destruction,
Our elimination because of one man.
Blood and destruction because of one man.

ALL (inside)

Because, because, because of one man.

KERRY

Our elimination because of one man.

ALL (inside)

Because, because, because of one, 'cause of one, 'cause of one man.

SASSO

What then to do about Dubya-mania?

CARVILLE

Now how to we deal with a cowboy that's king?

ADVISORS

Where do we start with a man who is bigger
Than Nixon was when he did his Watergate thing?

KERRY

Fools, you have no perception!
The stake we are gambling are frighteningly high!
We must crush him completely,
So like Nixon before him, this Dubya must fall.
For the sake of the nation, this Dubya must fall.

ALL (inside)

Must fall, must fall, this Dubya must fall.

KERRY

So like Nixon before him, this Dubya must fall.

ALL (inside)

Must fall, must fall, this Dubya must, Dubya must, Dubya must fall!


:evilgrin:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:59 PM
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24. You're makin me miss that soundtrack
I used to listen to it when I was a kid, it was my parents album.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:56 PM
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34. VERY good!..........n/t
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:03 PM
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8. That's exactly what I'm planning
for my debate party - bags of popcorn for the guests.

It will be a waste of good popcorn but I do think we will reeally need to vent.

MzPip
:dem:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:10 PM
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11. Eat the popcorn... I have a huge box of that Styrofoam stuff to throw
I will give you some ;)
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:51 PM
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21. Popcorn is biodegradable
You Eco-sinner, you! :P
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 05:13 PM
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25. Hey, I don't send the stuff to myself!
the UPS guy is the eco-sinner. I am just trying to find reasonably safe ways to utilize the damned stuff. The cat gets into is and really makes a disaster.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 06:01 PM
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29. Oops, just teasing
:scared:

I have no clue what to do with the dang stuff either. :shrug:
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:02 PM
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7. He'll be doped up
Gore tried to get him to break and he just came across as overbearing in his debates. Bush will be on horse tranquilizers or something to make sure he can't get upset and do an outburst.

His handlers are playing for keeps. If a frontal lobotomy would help Bush, it would be done.

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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:06 PM
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9. I would give anything for a pregnant pause/deer in the headlights look
from Junior. I think we'll get one. We'll also get some bad jokes. Comedy is all he is capable of now. I think, detached anger and pity would good to see from Kerry.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 03:46 PM
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2. English-language writer in Pravda...
... picking up on a series of three articles on CapitolHillBlue.com's site, which, unfortunately, haven't had any real confirmation in the mainstream press.

Cheers.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:11 PM
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13. "haven't had any real confirmation in the mainstream press."
This, to me, would only add credibility to the theories.

Confirmation in the "mainstream" (read:coporate globalist) press is like an admission of fabrication.

And why is Pravda any less credible than amerikkkan propaganda slingers?
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:24 PM
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14. All kidding aside...
... confirmation and corroboration is the root of good journalistic practice. If I said that Bush ate his own shit, you might want to believe it, but it's still just speculation until there's proof.

Sorry, but that's the way the game works.

And, did you believe what Pravda said in the `70s? I don't recall them writing about Breshnev's drinking problems then. Any more reason to believe them now? What I'm trying to relate is that this isn't their reporting. It came from Capitol Hill Blue, and it hasn't been documented independently elsewhere.

Not to say that the country's right wing doesn't deserve to have their fair-haired boy melt down in public view. Right now it's just speculation that he could.

Cheers.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:38 PM
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17. " did you believe what Pravda said in the `70s?"
We are not talking about Pravda in the '70's.

To dismiss a story with "not confirmed in the mainstream press" is similar to believing what Pravda reported in the '70's.

I am not commenting on the OP but on the lack of "good journalistic practice" in the "mainstream press" (which in amerikkka is nothing short of corporate globalist propaganda).
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:46 PM
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20. You're arguing for a belief in...
... rumor. You don't have to convince me about the "mainstream press." Trust me on that.

But, it's still rumor. You don't first-hand knowledge of this. I don't have first-hand knowledge of this. And all of the articles on which this Pravda article is based do not have substantiation, and are not credited to named sources who can be questioned about their statements.

Maybe it's true, maybe it's not. There's no way to tell because of the lack of sources.

As for Pravda, do they acknowledge the source of their information? Nope.

Cheers.

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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:54 PM
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22. Most of what is in any press except the
local one I have no first hand knowledge of unless it's on film on the television. Does that mean I can't believe any of it except what is on film?
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 05:48 PM
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28. I'm not telling you what to believe, or not...
... I'm simply describing what is good journalistic practice. Nor am I defending bad journalistic practice as is the case amongst so much of the press today.

Believe whatever you wish. You will, anyway, no matter what I think. :)

Cheers.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:59 PM
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23. I'm arguing against a belief in
"the mainstream press" as confirmation of anything. You are the one that made that statement, so you, not I, are arguing for a belief in rumor.

The amerikkkan mainstream press, like Pravda, report without substantiation, use credited or named sources that they know are lying and can not be questioned about their statements.

Did Robert Novak acknowledge the source of his information? Nope.

That's the problem. You can't believe anything, anywhere, anytime, anymore. Especially the "mainstream press".
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 03:58 PM
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5. Of course I think Chimp is insane, but
I have seen this story before. I can find NOTHING on this "Dr. Joseph Price". The first article I read had him quoted from a "letter to the editor".

"One senior GOP person, who asked not to be named"....

Whatever.
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:10 PM
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10. Ronald Reagan was exactly like Bush is now
Reagan was exactly the same way but with stage presence. Reagan couldn't say anything, answer anything, think anything but to hear the revisionist talk about him he was a god. Reagan was particularly bad his second term. We now know that it was early (not so early) signs of Alzheimer's. And the GOT is so bad in their re-making of history they forget everything dumb thing the man ever did (Iran contra) and decided to named an airport after the guy. And if you dare say one word against the man they attack you for being unpatriotic, mean spirited and hateful. Sound familiar?

They are doing the same thing with BoyGeorge, only to the tenth power - with much, much less to work with.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 05:29 PM
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27. I didn't support Reagan, but he was never as bad a shrub!
I know he used to play the game of "I can't hear you" while walking to the helicopter, and the well remembered "wellll" before he answered any questions, but I never remember all the mispronounced words, and statements that even shrubs promoters can't answer what he ment. Nawww, shrub is much worse that Reagan ever was.
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whalerider55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:00 PM
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6. more than that...
cap hill blue has pulled them from the site because upon review, they didn't meet the standards for credible journalism.


still, pre alz/dry drunk/add/cross jockey, the mans policies have been the worst.

stupidity, venality, greed... mental illness whatever...

we don't need to know why, we just need to concentrate on when.
he's got medical insurance. the company will take care of him in dotage.

whalerider55
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:10 PM
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12. What to do?
Get a copy of DSM-IV go to the chapter in Personality Disorder. I particularly like the section on Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Also read the chapter on substance abuse. Based on what I have seen so far this started as a Conduct Disorder.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:27 PM
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15. Oh, we've been over this

All the behavior reported so far is pretty consistent with epilepsy, especially all the falls (from the bike, the Segway, the golf cart, etc) and the 'choked on a pretzel' face-stopping-the-sudden-rise-of-the-ground incident and such, plus the spectrum of coverup behaviors and excuses and such that epileptics commonly resort to.

Bob Woodward reported on Dubya getting some kind of medication whose identity is kept a big secret; people here identified the dosage/regimen as that typical for Topamax. Topamax is the top of the line anticonvulsant medication for treating temporal lobe epilepsy. TL epilepsy leads to bizarre religiosity and 'personality change' very much in line with what is reported for Dubya's change from playboy rich man's kid to cult leader-ish in 1978-80. Oh, alcohol and cocaine abuse are not unusual in people who are developing psychiatric/neurological disorders. And epilepsy is a fairly usual side effect of fetal alcohol exposure of type FAE....

Yes, he's the fourth mentally aberrant President figurehead the GOP has forced on the country since 1968. In succession a paranoid/psychotic, an Alzheimer's patient, a bipolar dry drunk, and now this purported God's Fool who is merely a grandelusional epileptic.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:27 PM
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16. it's like what Timothy Leary said about taking acid
Edited on Sun Sep-26-04 04:33 PM by THEHURON57
You can't burn nitro in a V W ,I hope he freaks out Sooner than latter .
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 04:44 PM
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19. speed-coke-pot-booze
does serious brain damage that shows up later in life then add in his personality and being subjected to stress levels way over his ability to deal with them-we watch the results in horror-this man thinks he rules the world.
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cyr330 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 05:19 PM
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26. also a sign of "other things"
He could be drinking. . . . . I'm sure everyone here is familiar with those who get ugly when they get drunk or are nasty the morning after. . . .
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:23 PM
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30. No illegal drugs, doubt alcohol
If he were to revert to the old behaviors he would be gone in short order. This would not be tolerated for long.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:35 PM
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31. by who?
This is a man who thinks he is the "boss" and does not have to answer to anyone--they are the ones who have to answer to him! He has a consistent lifetime pattern of ignoring rules of which he thinks none apply to him. I think he is drinking and never stopped and no one is going to tell him to stop because--? Because they need him at this point; he is indispensible and he knows it. He believes he will win the election no matter what. He will do what he wants to do and I do believe that means he will drink whenever he gets the chance figuring he is not making any of the real decisions anyhow. I do think he retreats to Crawford so many times, in order to do so--He may sober up for the debates, but he looks, in recent pictures,bloated and wasted.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 08:47 PM
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35. Several sources
Edited on Sun Sep-26-04 08:51 PM by gordianot
1. Secretary of State, knows plenty, could ruin this guy in short order. Bush needs to keep him happy.

2. Condie, bright, very close also knows plenty. Keeps the party line but doesn't smile much wonder what is behind her looks of disgust

3. The guy with the football, they have never really stated how this works. Think Fail-Safe. I doubt an incapacitated, semi coherent drunk is going to get by him.

4. Secret Service, the Praetorian Guard, they have all of the keys to the Whitehouse. They have gotten to the nerves of every resident of the Whitehouse for the last 40 years. There is more depth here than meets the eye.

5. Wild card. Didn't Alexander Haig carry a piece while he was in the Whitehouse and Nixon was talking to the portraits? Wonder who put him there?

6. Dick, I doubt he takes it from anyone. I know there are a lot of jokes about the 9-11 commission, * has a real dependency on this fine piece of work.

7. Bush is there at the pleasure of his financiers and handlers. He did not get there on his own merits or talent.
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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:37 PM
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32. It's Reagan revisited. Maybe it's God's way of smacking them upside the
head.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:39 PM
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33. I don't think he's mentally incapacitated ...
I think it's sociopathy.




:hippie:
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