It's a hard, hard row we hoe

[Scoopie]

I don't like the fact that Edwards someday may be the nominee.
I don't like how Terry "McAwful" dubbed Kerry the winner.
I don't like a lot of things.
But, alas, I have to vote for Kerry (and that "running mate" he chose) because I'm in a swing state that Kerry STILL has ignored.

Damnit.

I can't get excited.
I can't put stickers on my car or signs in my yard.
I can't do anything but vote.

And you know what?

It turns out that voting isn't enough, afterall.

Bush is still going to carry this thing - not thanks to Diebold - but to the GEMS tabulator.

Please research this and plan the revolt, thusly.

DU - it's up to YOU.

[CarolynEC]

1. Quite a motivational speaker, aren't you?

[Scoopie]

6. HA!

John Kerry needs a million hackers to get into the GEMS tabulator and merely STOP the vote count.
It's a final tabulator - doesn't matter if your on paper, write in, whatever. This IS NOT the DIEBOLD TOUCH SCREENS. This is the tabulator.
Whether you vote absentee, on touch-screens, or on paper ballot (fill in the bubble) optical scan machines, all votes are ultimately brought to the "mother ship," the central tabulator at the county which adds them all up and creates the results report.
These systems are used in over 30 states and each counts up to two million votes at once.
By entering a 2-digit code in a hidden location, a second set of votes is created. This set of votes can be changed, so that it no longer matches the correct votes. The voting system will then read the totals from the bogus vote set. It takes only seconds to change the votes, and to date not a single location in the U.S. has implemented security measures to fully mitigate the risks.
More information can be found at the following link: http://www.blackboxvoting.org/?q=node/view/78
Could it be possible that the skewed polls are a preparation for another stolen election? Isn't it possible that keeping the polls skewed in Bush's favor before the election, there would be little questioning of the bogus results in the event that the GEMS tabulation "counts" the votes in not only Bush's favor, but those for the House and Senate as well?

[CarolynEC]

9. Interesting stuff from a credible source. So what's our next move?

[Scoopie]

12. Thank you for listening

I don't know, Carolyn, I wish I did.
I don't come here often since Wes dropped out, but let me tell you, this worries me. A LOT.
This is why I posted this here. I want input. I may be an Indie and not a solid Dem - and my gut tells me Kerry WOULD win, but for this - and I've not been wrong since Carter lost when I was 8 years old.
What can we do?
It's six weeks and counting...

[CarolynEC]

19. Sounds like we nee to learn, whether from the county of the state...

.... whether our voting precints use GEMS 1.18.18, GEMS 1.18.19, or GEMS 1.18.23 and then, if they are, hightail it back to Black Box Voting to they can get their exters on the case. (http://www.blackboxvoting.org/?q=node/view/78)

[eridani]

35. Audit the damn things, obviously!! n/t

[Scoopie]

15. BTW

I like John Kerry.
He's an intelligent guy.
He's not a flip-flopper.
He's not "French" (as a matter of fact, his folks helped set up this government and John once thought of becoming a priest).

Again, this is NOT the point of this post.
The point is that - motivated or not - even if we cast our votes - I'm worried that it's NOT GOING TO MATTER. Shrub would still win.

PLEASE do your best to help.

I'm voting, as an Indie, for your candidate (not Nader or the Libertarian guy or some such) - all I'm asking in return is to help me - all of US..

Republicans = "Me"
Democrats = "We"

Something someone older and wiser once taught me.

[cheshire]

28. You do realize people are on top of things that understand this better

than any of us do you not. If you haven't been on in a while might I suggest asking before assuming we are just stupid and don't care.

[cheshire]

2. What are you saying before I go to far here?

[Scoopie]

3. I'm saying GOTV doesn't matter

The votes are being tabulated in a central location and it doesn't matter how we vote - motivated or no.
Bush is going to steal the election with technology.

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[Union Thug]

4. I *can* get excited...

despite Kerry NOT being my favorite (I am still a huge Kucinich fan!). I'm excited because we HAVE to get Bush out of the whitehouse. It's that simple. I don't care how bleak it may seem to you, Kerry is the only choice we have right now and we need everyone to do whatever they can to get his name plastered EVERYWERE.. Put sticker on your car..geez. It's not THAT hard. I had to finally pull my Kucinich sticker off of my window and replace it with Kerry. We need everyone's enthusiasm..at least for another5 weeks.

C'mon, man.. give us five weeks.

[Scoopie]

7. It's bleak because our vote DOES NOT COUNT

Don't you get it, yet?

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[Scoopie]

11. You know something

I didn't even notice that (about the posts).

I AM noticing that MY VOTE DOES NOT COUNT. ARE YOU HEARING ME YET?

Stop calling me names and do something besides register people to vote. We know there are more Dems than GOPhers. But, that won't matter on elections day.

GET WITH THE PROGRAM!

[Scoopie]

25. Mods

You didn't have to delete that...
It was nice that you did, but I'm a tough ole broad of 34 - I've been called worse! LOL!
It's all free speech! :)

He/She doesn't know me. Doesn't understand that a true Indie is on the board and isn't enamored with the Dem choice and, therefore, thrilled. It's OK.... really.

Well, I'm off like a dirty shirt. I hope you guys will research this. I want you all to GOTV, but I also want you all to be prepared for voter fraud. That was all my post was about.

I hope Kerry wins. I really do.

[Scoopie]

10. You guys totally missed the point

Putting a sticker on my car won't do any good.
Our votes are useless.

In anycase, I can't put Edwards on my car or my car would sue me for having to start cold (JOKE!!).
I'm not a Democrat - I'm an Indie. Been that way for a long, long time and even voted for a Republican this year (John J. Duncan Jr. - one of six who voted in the House against the war in Iraq).

Look - I'm trying to explain why it doesn't matter and ask how we can get the word out about this voter fraud. I'm not excited about the candidate, as an INDEPENDENT, but, hell, my dog's a better candidate than Bush!

Please, stop berating me - just HELP.

[AuntPatsy]

13. I know all about the voting fraud fears, but what bothers me more

is people that keep telling me that my vote does not count, don't give so much credit to the repubs for stealing it once, believe it or not, we have some of our own inside personal with questionable antics, it won't happen again, of this I have no doubt, and lest you have forgotten, Ms Theresa Heinz Kerry has stated that if it looks like the reps begin attacking her family personaly, she will use her own devices to ensure her husbands candidacy, don't rule money and power out, we have it ourselves..

Now go take a long hot shower and put on some Led Zepplin, you will fell better in the morning..

[cheshire]

14. Help what you say it's hopeless so there is no hope. If you are just

being a defeatest how the sam hell do you expect people to do something. You have to ideas, no direction. What the fuck do you want? Everyone to figure it out and do it for you. What are you doing? Shit man you make no sence. You are truly the one who doesn't get it. Take a class on how to win friends and influence people. Motivation does not start by saying how hopeless it all is. I wanted to tell you I suggest a short rope and a high beam, but that is not allowed but you keep at it. I think you are lonely and need some attention. Maybe a dog of goldfish as company before you try to inlist others.

[Scoopie]

18. Uh... actually

I'm spreading the word.
I'm not interested in "hooking up" here.
I have two dogs and a five year old who wore a Kerry sticker to a University of Tennessee football game (his first - it's like a "religion" here) and convinced nearly our whole section to vote for Kerry so he wouldn't have to pay for Bush's mistakes (and drove off the two Bushies sitting next to us - they couldn't begin to argue with a 5-year-old).
There... that's my life. No. I'm not married. No. I'm not interested. I'm too damn busy.
I'm an open book. If the right man comes along - great. If not, oh well.
What YOU need to be doing is to stop judging people. You're no better than the religious right.

Read the posts and DO SOMETHING.

I'm only asking for your help.

If I knew the answer, I wouldn't ask for your help - I'd just go do it. I'm only trying to make you aware of the problem.

[cheshire]

22. Uh Actually I read your post and you spent 10 minute whining because

your not excited and them made a referance to something you assumed you were the only one smart enough to know about. What ideas do you have. If you had understood my post you would know I don't give a rats ass about your life just that If you can not get excited enough to help get America out of this then you are part of the problem. What exactly do you want all of us to do? What are you doing? Everyone on here is aware but your attitude is that you are smarter, morose and expecting all of us to excite you and fix it all for you. I still say educate yourself, don't whine for others to do it for you. Learn how to get excited in order to excite. Maybe you could ask your daughter as she seems to have proper perspective on the whole thing.

[Dogmudgeon]

17. Fight the Cynicism

This isn't a piece to berate you. But you seriously need to understand what they've already done to you.

Cynicism is a disease -- one that the Rep/Cons use to destroy all that's progressive and human in society.

If they can't convert you to their cause, they'll poison your mind. They'll make you believe that your opinions and your votes are useless. They'll make you focus on minutiae of things you disagree with rather than solidarity with the struggle for necessary change.

They'll persuade you that "If you can't be a Conservative, if you can't be a Republican, then be Hip" -- and paralyzed.

They have already destroyed Ralph Nader; worse yet, they've turned him into their willing tool.

It's a very clever mind-fuck. Don't fall for it! This is the time to fight for America, for Freedom, and not the least, for your own mental integrity.

There is a point where their evil meets its first resistance. That point is YOU.

--bkl

[Scoopie]

21. I told you I was voting for Kerry

It's not about "me."
It's about the vote count.
K?

[Dogmudgeon]

29. Well, I apologize

I thought you had fallen into despair and cynicism.

I had no idea that you were better than we are, and were giving us the benefit of the back of your hand.

--bkl

[eridani]

37. YOU help, dammit. Volunteer to be a poll watcher.

Make SURE that the precinct totals are posted BEFORE being turned in for central tabulation.

[eridani]

36. I added Kerry, and did not remove Kucinich.

[Blue_Roses]

16. Tennessee is not a swing state

it's a very red state.

[Scoopie]

20. No

We have a Northern Dem governor and YOU, like the Kerry campaign, have given up.
Heck - even Republican polls only show a 5 point Bush favor.
You guys really need to stop dismissing us.
We voted for Clinton BOTH times.

[AuntPatsy]

24. like someone told you a few posts back, your falling into the

vast propaganda rhetoric that the terrified Reps are dishing out with each news broadcast, relax, better minds than yours or mine are on top of it....

Kerry will win, Kerry will win, Kerry will win, keep saying it over and over and over again and soon, the brainwashing techniques that they've been using through the medias worthless newscasts in order to turn intelligent and honest Americans into worry warts will slowly fade away...

[Scoopie]

26. I really hope he does

Aunt Patsy.... I really do. :)

I'm not in love or expect great things from him. I merely expect that he's not a fascist or a bully or... well... I expect him to be human.

I like JK just fine.

[Blue_Roses]

32. first of all, with all due respect

YOU are in no position to tell me I've given up--in fact I am your neighbor--ARKANSAS--and we are neck in neck with Bush because we are kicking ass on the ground and everywhere else we can spread the news of what an awesome President John Kerry WILL be! I didn't stand out in the sweltering hot sun at an Edwards rally to just "give up."

Secondly, it sounds more like YOU have given up:
"I don't like the fact that Edwards someday may be the nominee.
I don't like how Terry "McAwful" dubbed Kerry the winner.
I don't like a lot of things.
But, alas, I have to vote for Kerry (and that "running mate" he chose) because I'm in a swing state that Kerry STILL has ignored.

Damnit.

I can't get excited.
I can't put stickers on my car or signs in my yard.
I can't do anything but vote.

And you know what?

It turns out that voting isn't enough, afterall.

Bush is still going to carry this thing..."



Rather than post these lame threads about how much you wish it was another canidate than John Kerry, you need to think about how much time you're wasting being so negative.

Give me an effing break...:eyes: Some people...

[Scoopie]

23. BTW... We're a lavendar state

I'd rather us be a mauve state.
You guys can remedy this (if you weren't so prejudiced).

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[flaminbats]

30. Dies Irae

argumentum ex silentio nemine contradicente id est. :spank:

[Blue_Roses]

33. nevermind---it's not worth it

n/t

[yellowdawgdem]

31. Yes, all these factoids are scarey, but

If the * administration was sure about the gems tabulations, then why would they bother to purge the Bl felon rolls in fla, or go ahead and place Nader on the ballot w/o proper certification? I mean, why would they draw attention to this corruption when not needed? Also, what about Rumsfield having all absentee ballots sent directly to the Pentagon? It seems to me that they are covering all of the bases, because they are not sure they can pull off the scam with so many eyes watching them. It would be a good idea to put pressure on Rumsfield to have the absentee overseas ballots go to the states, as they always do. And, as far as the gems tabulator, yes that sounds like the creepiest scenario so far. But there still could be something we can do about it. It just seems like we are all so scared and worried- and, I mean, it's somewhat immobilizing.

[eridani]

34. There is a solution to the GEMS problem.

We just had our primary election, and 3% of precincts had audits where GEMS was compared to the paper Optiscan record, and they came out in agreement. Totals are posted at each polling place BEFORE they get to central tabulation, which cuts down on the opportunities for hankypanky. What I am trying to say here is that whatever system you have, lots of eyeballs on it will minimize cheating.

[LittleClarkie]

38. Indeed. Eyeballs are the key.

I was a Clarkie who took her good-natured time even looking in Kerry's direction. No enthusiasm whatsoever. Around the beginning of June I became an ABBer, put a Kerry "Real Deal" sign in my car window and started reading the issues.

I'm trying to remember what triggered that response. I think it had to do with knowing way before the rest of the country that there were 2000 or so people being held in Guantanamo, and little was being reported about it. In the story I read, the Army INSISTED that everyone who was there was supposed to be. Oh no, the Army NEVER makes any mistakes, no siree. Without accountability, I feared the worst for those people.

And it turns out I was right, though I didn't know how right at the time.

Maybe it was the first positive story I read in the Journal/Sentinel that said Kerry was not a flip/flopper so much as someone who takes a long time to think about an issue, looking at it from all angles to make sure he's doing the right thing. Maybe it was finding out about John Kerry's anti-war youth, which sparked my imagination (and then hearing the man speak of his past proudly when others consider it a liability). Maybe it was the profile piece I read from Salon.com. Maybe it was going back to the Clark04 website and finding the Kerry endorsement.

All I know is I'm now a "Clarkie for Kerry -- reporting for duty."

I used my old Clarkie stickers to decorate my Clarkie for Kerry sign when the band of brothers came through.

This past month has only made me love him more. Over the summer, his speeches put me to sleep. Not anymore. Gads I love it when he's angry.

Come on now. Buck up. There's more than just you knowing this stuff. If there is enough of a stink, and if the GOP is too damn obvious this time, then we will have a chance to fight the fraud if it happens. Plus we will have the international observers as well. Kerry's even getting ready with recount funds. There's got to be a way to fight these bastards.

[yellowdawgdem]

39. that sounds like a good way to go

You must be in one of the few states willing to bolster voting safeguards without a huge fight. But maybe, given this new information on gems, we need to start the process in a forward direction. I really think we have a landslide situation on our hands, and the administration is taking votes out wherever they can. To prevent the landslide, and tip it for the repubs.