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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:26 AM
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Anybody watch Jeff Greenfield segment on CNN morning? GOOD
Wow, some interesting comments on Kerry and Dems in OH and FL. Greenfield says the polls are suspect for the very reasons we have been complaining about: lack of cell numbers polled, etc.

CNN flashed figures on registration in OH: up 250% for Democrats, only 25% GOP; in FL registration up 60% Democrats, only 12% GOP.

Bottom line too: think about being a poll monitor/helper in an economically disadvantaged neighborhood, ESPCIALLY IN OH OR FL -- Greenfield thinks that the number of first-time voters in these places may kind of gum up the works. (Because many have never voted before there may be some confusion)

I usually don't watch CNN, but this was a good piece of news this morning! -Crozet
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:33 AM
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1. Picking jaw up off floor -- thanks for posting, c4c!
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carpe diem Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:37 AM
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2. well PRAISE THE LORD!!!
if CNN is acknowledging it, it must really have become a factor that CANNOT be ignored!

Thanks for starting my day on such an up note!
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:46 AM
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3. Don't confuse the opinions of one CNN journalist as being....
...representative of CNN's thinking as a whole. IMHO, none of what Greenfield had to say will influence the on-air behavior of the major NeoCon shills, Woodruff and Blitzer, nor will it be reflected in the commentary of any of the other CNN reporters.

I personally think Greenfield was sent out there to discuss the issue so that CNN can have a plausible defense when Kerry blows FratBoy out of the water in November. They can always point to Greenfield and tell people they reported that the polls were incorrect and why.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:55 AM
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4. Totally Agree, But The Point Is The People Hear Kerry, Not Media

The only way Bush and the media win is if we don't break the media barrier and get our message to the people. These registration increases tell me our message is getting to the people. I don't care if Greenfield never repeats it - I care only that the people hear Kerry's message and vote.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:57 AM
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6. yep
And this is why when I looked at their viewing schedule and saw a program that looked interesting I said...."nah."

Can't be bothering my beautiful mind with CNN.


Cher
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:57 AM
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7. Not only that. It's a good warning for the Pubs to get more
of their folks registered. It would have been better for the Dems has this new not been disseminated.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 08:27 AM
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17. how much can they do in a few days?
They only have five days to hustle up more registrations.

The Dem damage is done, heh.


Cher
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 09:22 AM
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19. Any is too much. We've never had such a crucial and pivotal
election in America's history. Even if Kerry is elected, it still will be a formidable task to regain control from the fascists.
If Bush gets elected, they will be able to put even more draconian measures in place to assure their continuation in power.

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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 07:00 AM
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8. True, but it is also true that Democrats everywhere are GOTV!!!
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 07:55 AM
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12. People watch the CNN morning show.
Edited on Mon Sep-27-04 07:57 AM by Why
We're proof of that. I heard Jeff Greenfield's comments this morning, and I say, "it's about damn time."

Then I heard Cafferty say the debates aren't worth watching because the campaigns worked out the details in secret. Duh. (1) Who else is going to do the negotiations on debates, and (2) why would either party want to open this process to the public? Now if they picked the questions in advance, THEN I would say it's overly choreographed and a waste of my time, but it's still our best chance to see Bush fuck up on TV that we'll ever get.

I was listening to Kerry talk about security and the War on Terror on the radio this morning, and I wondered how anyone could find his voice less soothing, less reassuring, less presidential than that of George W. Bush. The man is steady as a rock, and people are seeing this as a weakness, for God's sake. It's astounding that so-called "security moms" could fall for George's bushit time and again. As I have said from the beginning (remember my screed about protesters in SF before Afghanistan, published at this site), the further you are from Ground Zero, the more distorted your views of the whole thing tend to be, and NPR was mainly talking about moms in podunk places in states like Missouri.

What will happen when we get Kerry and Bush side by side? Who knows? My guess is, Bush will look a lot less like he knows what he's doing, as long as Kerry remembers to just be himself.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 06:55 AM
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5. NYT cover story yesterday: Dem voter registration in swing states
we are trouncing the oppostion in numbers of new voters registered.
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 07:51 AM
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10. Dont forget PA
I posted here last week how the new registrations at our state fair in York PA, broke the record for dems with new registrations. We Registered in 10 days 7428 new people, the republicans at the same fair only registered 3421. York PA is slightly republican.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 07:44 AM
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9. Good news - but don't count your chickens yet
Remember when Dean slipped in the polls the weekend prior to the Iowa caucuses? His campaign response was that the polls didn't count young voters with cell phones who were an important part of his base...

Look where Dean ended up a few days later in the actual caucus - 3rd place.
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 07:53 AM
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11. Maybe
But you cannot ignore the 250% increase in registrations compared to the 25% of the republicans. That is the makings of a landslide.
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DemFromMem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 08:02 AM
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13. Cokie too!
On NPR's All Things Considered, Roberts mentioned as well that Democratic leaders are saying that newly registered voters may be skewing the likely voter figures in battleground states. She did not confirm the higher registration figures are true, but she did nothing to cast doubt either.
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 08:09 AM
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14. Heard Cokie this morning too.
Seems SOMEONE is paying attention to us for a change!
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 08:14 AM
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15. If you want to poll watch, here's a GREAT site to sign up...
http://www.electionprotection2004.org/

A joint effort by the People for the American Way and the NAACP. I agree with Crozet - VERY IMPORTANT, especially with all the 21st Century Jim Crow stories coming out in the past week.

23.


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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 08:26 AM
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16. SW Ohio volunteers needed by MoveOn PAC!
MoveOn PAC is here in Ohio and they need Precinct captains and action volunteers. Kentucky and Indiana people welcome also. Contact me via my inbox and I will put you directly in contact with the staff.

Precinct captains must be able to take off work Nov. 2. Precinct captain positions are being trained first and are the highest priority.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 08:40 AM
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18. Even a stopped clock...
is right twice a day.

Don't ever, ever trust CNN. Don't ever believe CNN is "coming around." And don't ever turn your back on him. They'll knife you as soon as look at you.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 09:40 AM
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20. Method in Greenfield's "madness"...
This wasn't said in an effort simply to be informative to the public. Have a look at my take on this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x904851

I think he was just trying to inject doubt about the polling as it looks like Kerry is beginning to rise in them. As long as Bush was ahead, there was no need to let people think there was any problem with the poll process. Hell they gleefully crowed for days over that first bogus TIME/CNN poll right after the GOP convention that purportedly gave Bush an 12-point lead.

Do not be fooled by these pundits who appear to be giving "good information". There is always a hidden agenda... you just have to look closely.
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ItsMyParty Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 09:49 AM
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21. From Bloomberg news two days ago
Watching Bloomberg which has messages at the bottom of the screen reporting straight news without the bullshit. Perked up when I saw the folllowing: Bush's lead drops in the polls - Kerry holds edge in states. I assume their use of 'states' means "battleground states" or shall we say, the key states for him; and thus, I was wondering just where they were getting their info. About 10 days ago when all the news hit and was bad (CBS fuck up, etc.) I just stopped going to DU, reading much news and watching basically none. I just wanted to regroup. Honestly, as I waded back in little by little, I see Kerry coming on. I don't feel down at all.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 09:54 AM
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22. Yep...
I think the story going in to the debates is Kerry weathered August and September ok and is in very good position.
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