Mississppi in Play? Mississippi: 42% Kerry/51% *, Bushco's in trouble!

[Melodybe]

People here are hurting a lot, from medicaid, to the war everything Bushco does is hurting MS.

We are a paper ballot state, our ballots are white paper and sharpie markers. With dem pollsters in every district, we can make it as fair as possible.

I sit at my table and I register voters, I win all my arguments, and I smile and shake hands with everyone. I think I am actually making a difference. BTW It feels great, we will not rest until these fascists are in jail.

:toast:

[stevedeshazer]

1. Keep making a difference

It helps us all. :)

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

2. Exactly what I am hoping is happening in TX

I've got to find a TX poll....where do I find that?

[carpetbagger]

9. Texas polls

SUSA 9/22, Bush 58, Kerry 37

http://www.click2houston.com/politics/3752407/detail.html

Rasmussen Aug 29, Bush 37 Kerry 38

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Texas%20August%2029.htm

[crispini]

48. Typo, dude. Rasumussen. Bush 57 Kerry 38

But that poll was taken pretty soon after the RNC. I wish Rasmussen would do another one down here.

[secular_warrior]

3. No way will Mississipi go to Kerry

Those deep south kkk/wingnut type of states will go to Bush even if he was caught in bed with Osama.

The only way a Democrat would win the deep south is in a major LBJ type of landslide.

[Melodybe]

5. Bull Shit! Have you been to the south!?! Cause I've lived her my entire

life and I talk to all kinds of people and middle class republicans are pissed off.

They are feeling the hurt and they are finally pinning the blame on Bush. Plus Edwards is so cute, it really helps.


Mississippi is in play! I am so proud, we can do it.

[secular_warrior]

13. I'm sure there are many good people in the south,

but the wingnuts are firmly in control down there.

In the 2000 election Bush beat Gore by 17 points. Unless there is a major popular change or change in sentiment that will not change. If anything, I think they will probably go even stronger for Bush this time around, as the country -- and especially the south -- has shifted to the right since 9-11.

2000 Presidential Election results
Mississipi
Bush (57.6%) 572,844
Gore (40.7%) 404,614

http://presidentelect.org/e2000.html#map

[cyr330]

25. Amen

I agree that there are some lovely people in the South. I was born and raised there but left after I graduated from high school.

When I go back, I'm usually surrounded by friends of my family who tend to be liberal. However, if I stray from my comfortable path, there are many, many, many neanderthals there, and they've elected some unbelievably unpleasant people.

[Machiavelli05]

28. voter registration in all southern states...

is majority democrat. The south is filled with alienated Dems. Anti-silly gun control laws would be a great start at getting some of these voters back. I really suggest you learn about the south and southern culture before you call everyone down there "KKK wingnuts" after all IL and IN have the highest population of KKK members followed closely by PA.


However that poll that puts Mississippi in play is about as reliable as the one that puts Oregon and NM as Bush country, and MN and MD tied.

[secular_warrior]

30. Registered DINOs (Democrats in name only)

Anti-gun laws have very little to do with it, despite what the media pundits like to say.

These voters are conservative "solid south" Democrats of the old Democratic Party before the civil rights movement. They are very socially conservative and detest the social liberalism brought about during that era.

There is nothing the Democrats could do to get these voters back AND have a coherent ideological platform. As it is the party is too ideologically mushy.

[Machiavelli05]

31. Thats what the Northeastern Democrats...

want you to think, and Im assuming youre a northeastern democrat.

A.) Gun control screwed TN for Gore
B.) Gun control has kept dems in office in the South and made races close that otherwise would not ahve been
C.) This is the election to bring DINOs back to voting for the Dem. Fiscal irresponsibility, nation building, and corporate elitism and favortism flies in the face of Southern Traditional Democrats.

Trust me on this - my family have been Democrats in southern states for MANY generations. Most of my family is very conservative... I'm pretty conservative. Bush has abandoned traditional conservative values. I know a lot of DINOs that are trully on the fence this election.

[secular_warrior]

32. But the 2000 election was about nothing

Gun control was a big issue because that election was about nothing and the candidates seemed the same to voters. Smaller issues like gun control became big issues. MOST elections are not decided on issues like gun control, especially not one as big as this.

I just don't think there's anything the party can do to bring back Southern Democrats that won't hurt the party. How much more moderate are the Democrats to become ? As it is we stand for nothing most of the time. The Democrats have indeed moderated on gun control. They did since the 2002 mid term elections --- didn't make much of a difference.

The conservative Dems won't come back because the Democratic Party is selling a worldview that is very different to their own. They left for a reason. They may dislike Bush but the Republicans are much closer to their social values in the long run. If Southern conservatives voted on economic issues only, and the social liberalism didn't affect them, they would've never started to leave the party in the 1960s -- way before "gun control" of the 1990s.

[Machiavelli05]

33. They havent left

There are many southern Dem senators, southern Dem congressman, So. Dem state houses

They just need to be convinced that the National Democratic Party cares about their concerns - and every time you say the things you do, its one more NE Dem who doesnt give a damn about the South - so yeah, with your outlook there is nothing you can do.


I'd vote Republican sometimes if I could stomach it - I dont hate their policies as much as I hate their approach and campaigns.

[secular_warrior]

34. In a perfect world we'd all have better parties to choose from

like they do in countries that use the parlimentary system. In such a system, I could see a lot of the old Democrats forming a conservative populist party (like the old Democratic party -- which was conservative on social values and populist on trade and unions). People like Ross Perot, Pat Buchanan, Lou Dobbs would be leaders of such a party.

Unfortunately we live in a two party system. Currently there is a conservative party of traditional values based mainly in the rural south and heartland, and a liberal party of modern secular values based mainly on the coasts and the metropolitan areas. Lots of people don't fit perfectly into that divide but it is the system we have. Just think of all the old moderate northeastern Repubs and independent libertarians who have no home since the parties realigned during the civil rights era. And the Naderites who are disgusted with Clinton's moderate DLC takeover of the Democratic party during the 90s. It will always be like this under our system.

[sadiesworld]

37. We ARE the big tent party...

and I am puzzled as to why a DUer would try to argue otherwise with you :eyes:. Sensible people EVERYWHERE realize what a fraud * is.

BTW, welcome to DU! :hi:

[secular_warrior]

42. Of course - I want every vote we can get

all I was saying is the party should not have to move right and muddle our message to get these voters (more than we already have). If they want to vote Democrat - great - but they should accept the modern Democratic party for what it is -- a secular, moderately liberal party.

[IIgnoreNobody]

47. No,

that's not 'all you were saying'.

[sadiesworld]

50. Who died and left you in charge of defining the party?

You decry the dems' move rightward, yet blithely declare that we are no longer the party of the people.

There are plenty of us who remain deeply concerned about issues of economic inequality. You mean we are no longer the party of unions? We are all supposed to be happy with the current outsourcing/trade mess? Corporations are the good guys?

As difficult as this might be for you to comprehend, I can care about the above issues and STILL be pro-choice and in favor of equal rights for gays and lesbians.

Do you have a party suggestion for me? Where do I go? :shrug:

It's not a pup tent.

[secular_warrior]

61. The Democrats are a liberal party - I didn't die for that but many did

I don't quite understand what you're trying to say because all of the issues you mentioned - trade, unions, corporations, choice and civil rights -- are all strong liberal Democratic issues.

I was talking about the conservative voters who disagree with liberals on every issue besides trade and unions and expect the party to come back to them on social issues. That is not going to happen.

[Claire Beth]

56. not really....

Tennessee voted for Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton two times. The ONLY reason TN didn't go for Gore (though it was fairly close) was because there was a lot of anger at him here for some crazy reasons I won't go into. Kerry is doing quite well in Tennessee. I work part time at the Democratic committee to elect Kerry and have some facts on it. There are a LOT of southerners very angry with Bush. I hear of a LOT of people who voted for the chimp in 2000 who are NOT voting for him this election.

[JohnKleeb]

58. Clinton got within 5 percentage points in 1996

[merh]

40. Way to go Melodybe!

More power to you and thanks so much for your efforts.
I agree Mississippi is in play. I have seen no */C signs in front yards here (MS Gulf Coast) but plenty of K/E signs. The bumper stickers on cars are multiplying.

Folks are pissed off about the health insurance matters, medicaid, overtime and NO FUNDING FOR EDUCATION.

Alabama and Mississippi are in play, given the */C airing of campaign ads in Mobile, Alabama - a local affiliated that is picked up in MS & AL & FL - I am betting their internal polls show they have a problem.

Thanks again :yourock:

[Renew Deal]

8. MS is the only state to vote AGAINST the amendment to end slavery.

But that was a long time ago. Then again, isn't Trent Lott from there?

[fearnobush]

18. Remember that little media baby bounce Kerry got after the convention?

Well those 4 points translated to a lead in the Southern States. States like Mississipi actually bounced up 10 and more points. Since the Bush Fear campaign has kicked in, they have come down, but, whats to stop them from going back up again. All I am saying is with some hard work, it could become a reality.

[Dob Bole]

39. Your bigoted stereotypes piss me off

I have held public office in the Deep South. If Bush is popular in the South, then all the more reason to get rid of him.

Let's take a look at the last two Democratic presidents:




Clinton won Georgia, Florida, Louisiana, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, and D.C. while he was in office.

On edit: Oh yeah, and Arkansas too.

[secular_warrior]

62. I'm not bigoted - when the south votes for a NE Lib my opinion will change

Clinton and Carter were centrists from the south.

Carter was elected after Watergate when southerners were nostalgic for a Democrat.

Clinton didn't carry the hard core deep south states of Alabama and Mississipi, and since then much of the south has moved more to the right and become more anti-Democrat and anti-liberal.

[redstateblues]

68. TN has a Mass librul as it Gov. -Phil Bredesen

[funkybutt]

44. EVER BEEN TO THE SOUTH!!??

Sure doesn't sound like it with your very offensive stereotyping!!

comments like yours make me sick

[Celeborn Skywalker]

4. Wow

if true, those numbers are a great sign for Kerry. Keep up the good work Melodybe! :thumbsup:

[K8-EEE]

6. You're Awesome!!! God Bless The Pro-active, Postive DU-ers

Love ya!!

[LibertyorDeath]

7. Thank so much Melodybe

Here's to you :toast:

[BillZBubb]

10. Sure, Mississippi's in play and I'm the King of Siam.

Not gonna happen. People there may be hurting, but the pain doesn't make them any smarter--they'll vote Chimp.

[Mr_Spock]

12. Yeah, stating the obvious is really difficult to do.

Do you think the Yankee's will win the AL East? :eyes:

[ClassWarrior]

19. Does being a jackass make YOU any smarter?

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[BillZBubb]

41. Clearly being a jackass hasn't worked for you

Do you think Kerry will win Mississippi? Or that it will be even close? Please.

[IIgnoreNobody]

49. The corporations want you to think voting doesn't matter.

They want you to think the election result are known in advance.

They aren't. If more people vote Democratic than Republican, Democrats win, whether it is in MS or AL or wherever.


It is foolish to spread corporatist, anti-democratic propaganda like the idea that Dems can't win in the South, or the Rockies, or indeed the whole flawed red state/blue paradigm.

[ClassWarrior]

51. Did I say anything about Mississippi or Kerry?

I'm talking about how some people act superior to "the sheeple" and gleefully piss on other people's hope.

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[BillZBubb]

52. Nice dodge! Too bad it's about as bogus as your complaint.

This thread is ABOUT MISSISSIPPI! And it is a fact that a majority of votes there will be for Bush*. Anyone who is trying to suggest otherwise is building castles in the air.

I hope we can win Ohio, there is no point in hoping to win Mississippi.

For those Democrats in Mississippi who are fighting the good fight, I salute you. Keep up the effort and in the future we might eventually turn the state Blue. You've got the facts on your side, just not the votes at this time.

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[IIgnoreNobody]

54. Your ability to predict the future is impressive.

And it is a fact that a majority of votes there will be for Bush

What is going to happen in the future is a *fact* ???

LOL

[ClassWarrior]

67. You salute them.

With a snotty "I am the king of Siam and you're too fucking stupid to know from whence comes your pain."

Wow. And you call me a dodger.

I have no clue what will happen in Mississippi. I don't have a crystal ball. And I suspect you don't have any balls either.

Your point - valid or not - was lost in your supreme arrogance and your cruelty toward Melodybe. And THAT was my point.

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[AgadorSparticus]

27. I disagree. If people are hurting, they will be voting.

It's when the masses are appeased by their little creature comforts that they become apathetic.

[BillZBubb]

53. Yep, but in Mississippi, too many will be voting Bush*.

It's the "What's the Problem with Kansas" syndrome.

[IIgnoreNobody]

55. How do you know what will happen in the future? Did God tell you? nt

[Mr_Spock]

11. A little irony would be so nice on election day.

I can always hope and prey that the thoughtful goodness of the USA will eventually shine through in these dark and awful times.

[DemFromMem]

14. Won't happen

I live in the area and don't think there is a chance. If black voters registered and then turned out in hugely massive numbers, might be possible, but even then unlikely. That poll is likely an outlier. I just don't even see this one coming within 10 points.

[Melodybe]

17. Sorry, people here are turning, I'm watching it happen

middle and lower class republicans have it bad now. There are also enough people like me here, telling the truth, and people are waking up.

I stumped a deacon the other day, on the bible, he did not know what to say. It was great, but unlike plenty here I did it with a smile and a handshake.

If you expect the worst out of people that is what you'll get. I think that enough of the people in MS are ready for change.

Why not?

[DemFromMem]

26. Wish you were right....

But logic doesn't work here. People are going to vote by instinct. The state has the second highest percentage of evangelical Christians. Bush won that group by about 2-1 in 2000 and I can't see it changing much this time.

[fujiyama]

15. .

[secular_warrior]

20. especially in this election -- much less sense than in the past.

We saw this in the Democratic primaries where Kerry was written off and left for dead by the media, mostly due to the polling which showed him way behind. Even Howard Kurtz admitted that the media was too quick to pick a winner and jump on the Dean bandwagon. Kerry didn't really come from behind in Iowa. It was more that the vote differed greatly from what the polls and the media had been saying for months.

For some reason the polling has been much more off this election season than in the past. I'm not sure what the reason is for this. People have cited reasons ranging from demographic shifts to corporate media spin to cell phones. We will not know for sure until after the election when everything can be analyzed.

[ClassWarrior]

16. You use paper and sharpies?? Wow, I didn't know anyone in the US...

...did that anymore. Very cool. There should be a federal mandate for ALL states to vote like you do. Now THAT would be equal protection.

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[Sugarbleus]

21. My county still does..........at least I think they still do

They did in the last election and in the recent primaries. Cardstock paper ballot w/marker. Ezzee peezee

I did try to get hold of county election clerk today in order to find out IF they plan to sneak elect. voting on us this time.. haven't heard back yet.

North Coast Calif here.

[Bake]

23. Hinds County (Jackson) MS uses touch screen machines

As for me, I'll be voting absentee in Kentucky.

But it would be SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEET if Mississippi went BLUE this time!

Bake

[strategery blunder]

22. My county (Adair, MO) still uses punch cards, LOL

When I turned in my voter registration to the county clerk (in person:)), we had a nice, lengthy chat about this. I guess after FL 2000, people will know to check their ballots for hanging chads (or so I'd hope).

That said, I have won both MS and TX simulating a K/E campaign with President Forever, though it's more a game than an actual simulation. However, winning TX is rare (maybe about 10-20% of the time), and I've only carried MS once.

[TacticalPeek]

24. The Magnolia State put Jimmy Carter over the top in '76.

There were many surprised people that Wednesday morning. :)

And you conventional wisdom aficionados should keep in mind that Howard Dean has the dem nomination locked up, et cetera.

[AgadorSparticus]

29. yippeeee! i do believe there is a revolution going on in this country

and it is not covered on the news. it is spread by people like us. good job, melodybe! you rock. :toast:

[sr_pacifica]

35. You are doing wonderful work but

I don't see Mississippi going Democrat this time around even with John Edwards' charm. People may be smiling and shaking hands and agreeing at your table, but left to think, or rather not think, they'll vote for Bush. Strangely enough many people don't vote according to how the person in office will directly affect them. They go for image and impression and vote their fears. I think Mississippi is so ingrained with zenophobia (fear of the stranger) that they want Bush as their leader.

[merh]

45. I have meet plenty of repukes that pretend in public to like

*, but curse him behind closed doors and will not vote for him.

Just you people wait, you will see some numbers that will make you eat your words on Nov. 3, 2004, and apologies are expected!

[sr_pacifica]

63. Well, we'll see

and you will get a personal apology from me if it happen...I'll even throw in a "hush my mouth."

[merh]

64. I've bookmarked this threads in the hopes that I get to

come back and find all the nay sayers and remind them of this thread and their negative comments!

Here is hoping I get that chance.

[ISUGRADIA]

65. Mississippi Bush 57 Kerry 43

on November 2nd. I'm bookmarking this thread too. The Kerry people have put no effort into Miss. I think if Kerry breaks 45% that would be a victory but a win won't happen. Hell, if he does better than Gore's showing, that's a victory.

Any efforts by people there are great because they help down ballot candidates and build for the future.

No dem win there in 2004, let's see about 2008.

[merh]

66. Local radio station said it has registered 2000 voters

the cut off date is apparently the 1st of October. The station has a very opinionated morning talk show that hates * and the repuke gov. They have been working hard on registering voters and they will get folks out to the polls.

[Supersedeas]

36. MS, NH, NC, GA, VA and OH will be closer than Rove expected

[Leilani]

38. Didn t Mississippi recently elect Haley Barbour as Governor?

EOM

[funkybutt]

43. Don't forget LOUISIANA!

we're working really hard down here, and we believe LA is a swing state!

[ArkDem]

46. I know this, it certainly is a swinging state!

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

57. Check out census.gov

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/28000.html

Mississippi in 2000 was 36% black--seems like we could give the party of David Duke a run for its money just on that basis.

[goodhue]

59. kick

[dolstein]

60. A nine point lead in a heavily GOP state isn't exactly "in play"

Sorry, but you are deluding yourself if you think Kerry actually has a chance of carrying Mississippi. For one thing, even if Kerry poured millions of dollars into the state, the changes of Kerry actually convincing a majority of the state's voters to support him is negligible. Mississippi is one of the most heavily Republican states at the presidential level, and hasn't supported a Democrat since 1976. Even Bill Clinton couldn't carry the state in a three-candidate race. Second, there's no way that the Kerry campaign would actually devote resources to this state, because that would require them to take resources away from must-win states that are far more competitive -- states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.

So when you consider that (a) the state is heavily Republican at the presidential level and (b) the Kerry campaign isn't going to contest the state, that leads to only one conclusion: the state's electoral votes are going to Bush.