well now most Americans know We Were Right About Iraq

[G_j]

we pleaded for our fellow citizens and leaders to understand that the war would be a foolish and reckless blunder that would cause untold death and destruction, a likely quagmire of violence that would scar the soul of the nation as the Vietnam war did.

So listen up Americans, we are warning you once again, four more years of Bush will be a disaster like no other.
And if you wake up one day to the news of more wars and perhaps even that a nuclear exchange has begun, I hope you remember you were warned more than once.


:spank: :nuke: :scared: :shrug:


end of mini-rant

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. That's right

while I held my signs that said NO WAR FOR OIL, in my mind's eye I saw the dead and maimed that would result from war. I could feel the hatred and tension that would poison foreign relations for years to come.

You don't want to know what I see in my mind's eye now, because it is a nightmare. Wake up, America, and throw this criminal bum OUT!

[agincourt]

2. What's really hard to believe,

is how some people still think it was a good idea. Because we still have boots on the ground where the oil is, everythings OK. Even Nebraska's Chuck Hagel is getting ripped as a traitor for simply questioning the worthless chimp. The ditto-pig brownshirts will always be for the Iraq war as long as they don't get drafted.

[Zhade]

19. Hell, there are a couple of war supporters ON THIS BOARD.

Just goes to show you how taken in some can be by propaganda. Shameful, really.

[JohnyCanuck]

3. And when the nukes start flying,

don't be at all surpised that there's no Jaayyyzus descending from the heavens to grab you by the scruff of your neck so as to haul your sorry ass out of the burning shithole you will have helped to create for all of us (including yourself).

[KoKo]

4. and, the "Who Would Jesus Bomb" will come back to haunt them, some

day. All those street corners standing there for hours while folks rode by honking in approval or shouting "get a job" or giving "the finger."

I hope they remember us...some of them. The rest are idiot Bush supporters and will go down into hell with him and the rest of his crooked administration.

[roseBudd]

5. use this flyer to illustrate how wrong the Iraq War is

Go to http://somnamblst.tripod.com to download high resolution TIF or PDF file to print.

[G_j]

6. great poster!

amazing those two statements are only six months apart.

[girl gone mad]

7. The problem for us is..

most of the Dems went along with Bush instead of putting up a good fight.

Yes, there were millions of us on the street, marching and telling people what we thought, but we were marginalized.

We even told the Dems they were on the wrong side of this issue, but they didn't listen. I cried twice before the war started - once on the day of the vote, and once on the day we started dropping bombs.

[G_j]

8. still marginalized

the media folks are still so full of themselves they have to this day not admitted that simple ordinary American citizens (peasants to them) could be smarter, wiser and more on the ball than they are.

[KoKo]

9. Not only the media but most of our House and Senate members. It was

us, Senator Byrd and Kennedy and John Sprat and my house members Brad Miller and David Price from NC and a few other brave souls from the Black Caucus and some other states who stood up there arguing against the Invasion.
But it was Byrd who did most of it. And, got no coverage by the media.

We are still marginalized. And, it hurts alot...

[G_j]

11. I doubt if there has been

such an atmosphere since the McCarthy days.
Just as then, there are Americans who will speak up against the madness.

[ncteechur]

10. when chimpy brings back the draft and these good repubs send...

their sons and daughters oveseas, they may think twice. It will pan me to do so but I will tell them that I told them so.

[Jorn]

12. Bush's Oily War - The Halliburton Connection

The Business Of War

As the CEO of Halliburton (1995-2000) Vice President Cheney was the recipient of a $2 million fine for over billing the Pentagon. During his stay as CEO of Halliburton Vice President Cheney earned forty-four million dollars. While Cheney claims he has broken all ties with Halliburton he still gets deferred compensation worth about $150,000 a year, and he holds stock options valued at more than $18 million dollars.

Cheney’s involvement in war profiteering while holding the office of Vice President is indeed a criminal act.
In 2003 a division of the company that Cheney is still connected to overcharged the Pentagon more than $61 million. The Cheney company was paid for buying and transporting 61.3 million gallons of gasoline from Kuwait to Iraq.
The Cheney related Halliburton Corporation charged the United States as much as $2.65 per gallon, while average wholesale gasoline prices in the Middle East at the time were 71 cents. The math of those numbers is staggering.

And if that isn’t enough greed, the Cheney influenced company over charged the Pentagon on another contract. This over charge netted Cheney and his Halliburton cohorts sixteen million dollars in extra profits by gouging the Pentagon for feeding troops at a military base in Kuwait.

The Oily War of the Bush Administration has become a source of substantial profit for the Cheney Halliburton Corporation. Cheney lobbied for a U.S. invasion of Iraq well before the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. In a National Security Council document, dated February 3, 2001 the N.S.C. staff was directed to cooperate with Cheney’s Energy Task Force in combining operational policies towards rogue states, and actions regarding the capture of new and existing oil and gas fields.

In 2003 Halliburton received $4.3 billion from the Department of Defense and the Cheney related Halliburton was granted $7 billion in U.S. government contract to make emergency repairs to Iraq's oil infrastructure.

The robbers are still in the bank and the American taxpayer will be robbed blind unless they are thrown out.

Bush Iraq War

[G_j]

13. Halliburton & war profiteers

now if that ain't another aspect of this whole scam we tried to point out! I do think our relentless pounding on Halliburton did help though. It is pretty much a household word now.

nice post Jorn, and welcome to DU !!

[Jorn]

20. Bush's Oily War

Thanks, I don't understand why the right of center folks can embrace family values then ignore the treasons activities of Cheney and his corporate theft machine called Halliburton. Stay on track and print the truth. http://www.marketingtheworld.com/bush/bushbillboard.php">Bushbillboards

[RafterMan]

14. Smugness is fun

But shouldn't that read "Most Americans Know *They* Were Right About Iraq"?

Support for preemptive invasion was in the high 30s/low 40s. Even after Chirac's bungling diplomacy, support only climbed about 10-15 points. The higher numbers (70+) only came from spinning the question or after the fighting had started.

Better to remind Americans of the uncertainties they had about the wisdom of this failed policy before the fact. Tell them they knew better than Bush then and they know better than Bush now.

"Listen up" isn't going to win any votes.

[G_j]

15. good point

but if I said "they" it wouldn't include myself.
I am ranting to friends here, I don't run around telling folks to "listen up" I am more of a diplomat. Obviously I am thinking of people like the "security moms" when I point out that if they now acknowledge that the war was a mistake, then might consider for a moment that voting for Bush will be an even bigger mistake.
I do understand your point though, Bush started his war even though the majority had doubts.

[RafterMan]

16. Cool

My post is a little stronger than I meant (yes, smugness is fun).

But this revisionist history, so popular in Europe and the American right, that Americans wanted the war is driving me insane. Most people knew better, then a big chunk rationalized their way into supporting it because they wanted to feel America was doing the right thing.

It'd be great to get that process working in reverse.

[G_j]

17. I have to say I wasn't convinced that Americans

were not 'for' the war because I stood on street corners in peace vigils and felt like a definite minority. Our local talk radio was calling us traitors and worse, letters to the editor in our local paper were equating Iraq with 9-11 and saying that to oppose the war was not supporting the troops and 'unAmerican'.

I know 'we' sure 'felt' like a minority! Funny, few are calling us traitors today and the letters are mostly critical of Bush.

[RafterMan]

18. That's because

hard-core supporters outnumbered hard-core opponents by at least 2-1, probably more like 4-1. I also suspect a good deal of astroturf was mixed into those calls and letters. Remember from the angry mob scene in Florida, you'd have thought Bush won the state by 80 points.

But in the middle, there was real doubt and a strong majority preferred giving the inspectors time to work.

As for "few calling us traitors", didn't I just hear this week that Kerry is sabbotaging our troops and fighting for Al Qaeda?