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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:53 AM
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Democrats May Steal Election as Voter Registration Grows
This was posted over at the Kerry/Edwards forum

http://forum.johnkerry.com/index.php?showtopic=83333&hl=

1. Democrats May Steal Election as Voter Registration Grows

A Despite Kerry's lagging polls, the Democrats still plan to win this
November.

How?

Perhaps by the old fashioned way: stealing the election.

That's the word from a top Republican strategist in Washington who
tells NewsMax the Democrats have put an unusual amount of resources
into "voter turnout" efforts.

NewsMax's Insider Report reported weeks ago that the 527 groups
supporting Kerry, and backed by the likes of billionaire George Soros,
were earmarking most of the $160 million they have raised toward voter
registration and "get out the vote" efforts.

Approximately two-thirds of the 527 money - or a $100 million - will
go toward these efforts.

Republicans believe many of these voter registration efforts open up
the door for qualified and multiple voting schemes on Election Day.

Worse, the 527's are now claiming they will spend three times what has
been previously reported to "get out the vote."

One pro-Kerry group, America Votes, told the New York Times that its
backers - "labor unions, trial lawyers, environmental groups,
community organizations - will spend $300 million on registration and
turnout in swing states, a sum that dwarfs the $150 million in public
financing the two candidates together will receive for the entire fall
campaign."

NewsMax has also reported that only a handful of states were being
targeted for this avalanche of cash, notably Florida, Ohio and
Pennsylvania.

However, Republicans believe this will lay the groundwork not for a
Democratic electoral victory on November 2nd, but for election theft
on November 2nd.

NewsMax reports were confirmed this Sunday in the New York Times,
which headlined its story "A Big Increase of New Voters in Swing States."

The paper said, " A sweeping voter registration campaign in heavily
Democratic areas has added tens of thousands of new voters to the
rolls in the swing states of Ohio and Florida, a surge that has far
exceeded the efforts of Republicans in both states, a review of
registration data shows."

As it turned out in 2000, Bush won Florida by less than a 1000 votes,
and Ohio by about 30,000 votes.

Republicans have been shy about raising the voter registration and
fraud issue because of the race issue; Democrats have been quick to
say the Republicans are "racist" for challenging voter registration
efforts in minority and inner city areas.

But the Times notes that's exactly where the Democrats have been
focusing their resources.

The paper reported: "The analysis by The New York Times of
county-by-county data shows that in Democratic areas of Ohio -
primarily low-income and minority neighborhoods - new registrations
since January have risen 250 percent over the same period in 2000. In
comparison, new registrations have increased just 25 percent in
Republican areas.

"A similar pattern is apparent in Florida: in the strongest Democratic
areas, the pace of new registration is 60 percent higher than in 2000,
while it has risen just 12 percent in the heaviest Republican areas."

Of course, the Kerry campaign says it has nothing to do with the 527
efforts, but they appear to be happy with the results.

"We know it's going on, and it's a very encouraging sign," Steve
Elmendorf, deputy campaign manager for Senator John Kerry, told the
Times. He added that these efforts "could very much be the
difference" for Kerry.

Steve Rosenthal, the head of another 527 group - Americans Coming
Together, or ACT - told the Times, "I think what's happening on the
streets, below the radar, is what's going to make the big difference
on Election Day." Rosenthal claimed that by Election Day the 527
groups will have registered two and a half million new voters.

A chart in the Times showed that the Democrat registrations are
outpacing Republicans in Ohio and Florida by five times or more.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:54 AM
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1. I have no words ...

Well, I do, but I'd spend my allotment of profanity for the year if I used them all.

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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:57 AM
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2. Or, 'Dems are registering new voters, and Repubs want to stop them'
Note Blackwell's hilariously blatant purge of perfectly valid registrations in Ohio.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:58 AM
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3. Almost good news in a way
If they're already trying to set the stage for the "Bush has been robbed!!" scenario, then they are admitting in a way that there is a good chance Kerry will win.

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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:08 AM
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14. Oh god, democrats went to the poor areas of town to get those
Edited on Wed Sep-29-04 01:11 AM by Melodybe
most affected to vote against the tyrants holding them down. Good one, only isn't that what we are SUPPOSED to do in a democracy?

Democrats are the party of the working man, that is our core.

The poor little fascists they know that they can't win, too bad, so sad. Tell everyone you know about this and our record voter registration, better to tell them now so they are prepared for it in Nov.

Democrats want people to vote, who knew?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:49 AM
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22. Even felons
Well, in certain states they ARE allowed to vote. Why not get ex-felons and homeless ready to vote and show that we care about them.

I helped a homeless woman who only had a PO box for an address figure outhow figure out how to get registered.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 07:28 AM
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34. Felons are allowed to vote in most states
The states where felons permanently lose the franchise are the minority.

Here in Texas, ex-felons regain their right to vote two years after the end of their prison sentence, parole or probation.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:59 AM
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4. Those racist bastards are trying to supress voter participation...
...in central cities and rural areas!! Jim Crow all over again!! Bigoted fascists!!

(feel free to put it in your own words)

23.


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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:02 AM
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9. First thing that popped into my head ...
I've read this exact same garbage in relation to voter suppression, especially in the South during during the 50's and 60's and 70's. That is, 1860's and 70's.

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:37 AM
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18. Check this out from PFAW and NAACP...
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:18 AM
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23. Karl Rove plan[Pay Attention Florida Riot 2000?]
With all the talk of the Gallup's poll and keeping the numbers high up to show Bush with a overwhelming lead the fascist of the group will believe anything. This is why I was worried.

After watching what happen with CBS Memo's and now this if we aren't careful they are going to create another Florida riot that stopped the recount in 2000. Only now it will be in all of the major battleground states.

This is also the difference between truth and fascism. The free republic people are already showing different emotions then we are. They will use these people to cause a problem. The problem that this mob causes will create problems on getting everyone registered to vote. Read here to see my understanding and logic.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1228906/posts

The action will spark a shortwave of emotion from both sides. While we are fighting and focusing on all of this something will happen. The question is what? I'm sensing from both sides that the fighting could cause a nation wide devision.

I just can't see far enough into the future to understand what the big change is that will take place. I know though if we aren't careful whatever they do will cause them to maintain control and power. I'm just wondering does anyone get the feeling that they are trying to lead us to a state of martial law?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:17 AM
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42. We're not going to "cause" the Party of Personal Responsibility...
...to do anything. If they try to violently overturn the results of an election in a democracy, THEY'RE responsible for their own fascism, not us. I, for one, refuse to do nothing out of fear of what THEY will do. I refuse to live with their hateful, Soviet-style threats hanging over my head.

23.


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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:01 AM
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20. You said it perfectly
I think you used my own words.

:-)
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:59 AM
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5. Is this from The Onion?
Kerry and the Democrats are planning to steal the election by voting.

They're registering voters to vote for their candidates. That's "stealing the election"?

This has to be a joke, from The Onion or one of those other comedy news websites.

No. Seriously.

--bkl
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:16 AM
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15. NewsMax is emailing it to republicans
I didn't have a link of the email; but I found this when I was looking at the Kerry/Edwards forum. I just thought it was one of those things that should be shared here as well. I've started to look out for stuff on there that I don't see on here. Plus, if I see something over here I'll post it over here..

The reason why I do it is because we have noticed that they do pick up on a lot of stuff posted on. I also think it helps in the effort between both groups on having new members. I hope nobody minds to much. If it does create a problem I can stop posting links back and forward. I just think it gives us a bigger network because both groups are trying to do the same thing. Help Kerry win the presidency.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:00 AM
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6. Only Republicans would consider the prospect of
more people voting to be fraud.

"Hey! No fair! There are more of them than us!"

The mind boggles...
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:01 AM
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7. to them it is always a crime when we take our rights. n/t
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:02 AM
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8. It's really not that big of an advantage when the Christian right voter
drives are factored in, Bush has gone so far right because Karl knows it will give him some 2 to 4 million new "Born Agains" to vote for the Chimp. The anti - Christian chimp, Mr Bu$h.

I always dis-arm those freepy types with this.
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AnnitaR Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:02 AM
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10. They are accusing US of stealing an election???
:argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh:

Honest to god there has to be a special place in hell for these fuckers!

I honestly don't know how every single person in this country can't see them for the lying slime bastards that they are!

Registering people to vote is stealing an election??? They have to be fucking kidding me!

I have entered the twilight zone where up is down and black is white. They actively pursue efforts to suppress the votes of minorities, the elderly, etc. in this country on the other hand we are actively trying to get people to vote... but it's us that is STEALING the election???

May they burn in their own little hell!
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:03 AM
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11. That just gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside....
How does it feeeel?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:04 AM
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12. So, wait. Registering new voters is election theft?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 07:38 AM
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36. Yes, the Republicans feel entitled to elections
and the poor and formerly disenfranchised have no business voting, according to their fascist asses.
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UCLA Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:07 AM
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13. WTF? Cheating by registering voters??? They truly are insane.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:18 AM
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16. Wow.

If I understand this piece of writing, the author is saying that Democrats are cheating by asking non-white American citizens to vote and actually helping them register for it.

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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:24 AM
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17. Oh, God! We've totally hit rock-bottom!
Edited on Wed Sep-29-04 01:55 AM by ocelot
How could the Democrats do such a lowdown, dirty thing as encourage people to register to vote... especially poor and minority people? How reprehensible! Oh, the humanity! The humanity! </sarcasm>

Are they completely batshit crazy at Newsmax? Or can they just not comprehend this democracy thing?
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DeadHead67 Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:50 AM
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19. I was watching Cspan earlier : replay from Washington Journal. . . .
. . .and they were taking call-ins from people in Florida. One woman stated that the vote fraud which took place there in 2000 was the democrats! Then she insisted that Bill Clinton had signed an executive order naturalizing, or at least legalizing the votes of, thousands of Haitian illegal aliens. WHAT THE FUCK?!!! And there was more before the moderator cut her off. ARE THESE PEOPLE TOTALLY INCAPABLE OF TELLING THE TRUTH?!!! The guest on the show was the state director of Americans Coming Together. She managed to remain considerably more calm in the face of this tidal wave of LIES than I was able to!
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rullery Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:35 AM
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21. Republicans rule by Divine Right, just as kings used to.
It is the natural order of things, don't you know. God has annointed Bush to be our Leader, and it is heresy to question this. Republicans in their mercy still allow us Democrats to express our concerns through elections, as long as we know our place and do not get too uppity about it.

But if we make a serious attempt to overthrow our Leader by getting more people to vote, then it is obvious that we are trying to STEAL the election! Such is the reasoning of all good Republicans, no?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:21 AM
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24. "Steal"? Americans voting is stealing? From whom, please?
And what possession is being stolen?

Remember: they always accuse us of their own crimes.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:28 AM
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25. So, in Republican thinking, encouraging people to become politically aware
and active is now voter fraud?

This just seems to be even more proof that Republicans despise an informed public.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:17 AM
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26. Bizarro world definition
Edited on Wed Sep-29-04 04:18 AM by fujiyama
To republicans its stealing if you get poor people, young people and minorities to the polls.

Yes, Democrats will "steal" it by getting votes from more people.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 05:27 AM
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27. Someone was spreading this rumor at the last primary election
He was saying that there was going to be voter fraud and it involved 40,000 absentee ballots and it was the Democrats who were going to double vote. Once for their property in Florida and the other for their property in the north east.

Didn't know we had so many wealthy Dems in the state. To hear other Republicans talk, they're all on welfare!
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 05:49 AM
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28. that's a newsmax story
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/9/27/153454.shtml

you better revise your posting since you're not allowed to post entire articles.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 06:15 AM
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29. So "voter registration" is stealing the election?
chuckle. Gotta love that headline.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 07:11 AM
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33. Yeah, that was my first thought too. What the heck?!
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 06:16 AM
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30. Republicans 'steal.' Democrats win, fair and square. eom
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 06:43 AM
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31. what a warped country we live in
These scumbags have done more damage to our country then I think we can repair.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 07:09 AM
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32. Dem registrations outpacing Repugs 5 to 1!!!!
Wow!!!! This article renews my hopes for a Kerry landslide!

<snip>
A chart in the Times showed that the Democrat registrations are
outpacing Republicans in Ohio and Florida by five times or more.
</snip>

That's EXCELLENT news!!! :thumbsup:
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 07:34 AM
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35. Even "Baldo" is in on the "theft"!
This is not usually a political strip, just gentle humor about a Chicano family.



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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 07:43 AM
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37. They might be right.
I think the RNC should get the UN to come in and preside over the 2004 elections.
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FearofFutility Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:03 AM
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38. The PA county I live in
has registered 21,859 new Democrats, 9,369 new republicans, and 9,265 other. We have to get to the bottom of this! It's obvious Dems are trying to steal the election! <sarcasm off>
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 08:33 AM
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39. Why does the GOP hate democracy?
My guess is their plan this year is to attack big-city voting practices in democratic strongholds like Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, Pittsburg, and accuse them of committing voter fraud. In Michigan, we already had that idiot Pappageorge (R) talking about how the GOP needs to "suppress the Detroit vote", which in Michigan speak also has a racial context.

But my GOP loving Grandpa is still free to fill out my nursing home resident Grandma's absentee ballot for Bush. She voted for Clinton in 1992 and 1996, and was unable to figure out the absentee ballot in 2000 (she wanted to vote for Gore), so Grandpa cast it for Bush and bragged to my Mom about it afterwords. Grandma is not competent to vote-he should call the county registrar and have them remove her from the rolls so he doesn't get a ballot for her anymore.

I love my Granpa, but I do wonder how many other elderly people do stuff like this?
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:10 AM
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40. "Poor, misinformed people" shouldn't vote. And if they do, that is
stealing the election - according to to Republicans.
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Clinton Crusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:13 AM
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41. dupe
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