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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:09 AM
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I think the Dem's(Kerry) need to hold off on the Draft issue...
until just before the election. I realize we are trying to get out the youth vote, so for now it's fine. But after voter registration ends, I would like to see the debate end.

As we all know, Rove is great at twisting an issue into a pretzel. He will make them believe that it is Kerry who is for the draft, not Bush. If we wait until just before the election, I think we have a better chance of pulling voters our way.
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:18 AM
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1. Kerry already said he will not reinstate the draft
He has clearly stated he will not reinstate the draft and will end the back door draft of reservists and bring the troops home from Iraq in his first term.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:25 AM
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5. And what will he do to boost
troop strength, to encourage young people to enlist? He doesn't plan to pull troops out of Iraq any time soon.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:32 AM
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7. Kerry is also not a flip-flopper, a favorite of terrorists, or...
anything else the Bushies claim, but they will say he is for it and the American public will believe it.
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CarolynEC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:18 AM
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2. But... but... but but... it IS 'just before the election'!
Seriously, this is it, folks. Bottom of the ninth, final lap, eleventh hour -- whatever metaphor you prefer. No time left for waiting.
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:19 AM
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3. But the 18,19,20 year olds need to get register to vote now
In many states, we are already past the registration deadline.

Bush/Cheney 04 = Draft 05 = Iraq Invasion 06
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:41 AM
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11. Do you people even read the body of messages...
I did say to use this issue now.
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CarolynEC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:50 PM
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13. *snicker*
"I think the Dem's(Kerry) need to hold off on the Draft issue... until just before the election."


Um, do you ever read...

Nah, forget it.


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Southern Patriot Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:19 AM
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4. You're kidding, right?
The draft is a killer issue. Kerry should be punching it home in every speech. He should have commercials hitting Bush with it and his surrogates should mention it in every appearance.

We should wait because the Evil Genius Rove might twist the issue? Wake up! He'll twist ANY issue that we raise.

If we pound the issue repetitively then we'll have a chance of getting the message through to a large part of the electorate. If we wait then we'll only cut the number who get the message.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:29 AM
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6. Oh heck, go ahead and say it...
...you think the Dem's(Kerry) need to hold off on the Draft issue till November 3rd. Right??

23.


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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:32 AM
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8. Bush wouldn't have to worry about getting..
re-elected.

He'd reinstate the draft with impugnity.

Also, the draft issue reminds people that Bush is a draft dodger.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:37 AM
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9. We'll see...
When has Kerry ever pushed an issue? Even if he does, the media won't cover it. If they stretch it out over the next five weeks, the draft issue will be ignored. If Kerry waits and puts in all of his resources, it will be much more effective.

How long did it take Rove and co. to destroy Dan Rather?

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lilwondrgl Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:40 AM
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10. draft doesn't work that way
There isn't going to be a draft. Not yet anyway. There's too many people volunteering to join the military right now for them to need to draft. AF is turning away people in droves. All they would need to do if they wanted to get more people is to remove the need for waivers. As it is, if they wanted to draft, they'd have to remove questions like "have you ever done drugs" *paraphrased* and "have you ever had asthma" or any other DQ things. If they removed the need for waivers, people like myself would jump on it ASAP, anyway, so they wouldn't even need to draft.

There is a good article about it on http://www.usmilitary.about.com
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:56 PM
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14. Yeah, they're just lining up at the recruiters office...
Did they turn you down personally when you showed up?

If a draft is on the way, the Air Force & Navy will become quite popular. The Army & Marines are currently doing most of the dying.


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lilwondrgl Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:44 PM
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16. I'm pretty sure, I am a fairly active military spouse
There is no draft. LOOK at the numbers for 5 seconds and you'll figure it out. Yes, they turned me down personally when I showed up. NG and AF were always more popular during war time. There still won't be a draft, I can almost guarentee it. I've seen the AF at work for 20 years, either through my dad or my husband, and it just ain't going to happen. All of the services have similar enlistment standards. In order to draft, they'd either have to drop a lot of these, or they wouldn't be able to draft nearly enough people to be effective. The second they drop the standards, they'd have volunteers ready to go. http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/draft.htm

"First and foremost, one must understand that the President does not have the authority to re-institute the draft...
...Both bills would require every single male and female between the ages of 18 and 26 to serve two years in the military (or community service). Hollings version has just 13 co-sponsors, and Rangel's bill has no support at all. Folks, these bills have ZERO chances of passing. More about this idiocy, later...
...Military Size and Needs. By law, each year Congress sets the maximum size of the active duty and reserve forces. They do this by passing the Military Authorization Act and Military Appropriations Act. Each year, Congress has the option to increase the authorized size of the military -- and they have chosen not to do so (exception -- last year -- in 2003 -- Congress authorized the Army to TEMPORARILY increase in size by 20,000 -- a drop in the bucket. This temporary increase in size is to help the Army through a planned reorganization, not because Congress wants to have a larger Army)...
...Various newspaper and magazine articles make it appear that the military is having problems attracting recruits and retaining members. Nothing could be further from the truth. They interview a few soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines, who state they are getting out, and use that as "proof" that the services are having problems with recruiting and retention. The truth of the matter is that all of the active duty services have made their recruiting and retention goals this year, and for the past eight straight years. The first-term re-enlistment rate is about 50 percent, and for those re-enlisting for third and fourth terms is about 80 to 85 percent (and that's exactly where the services want those rates to be -- any higher would stagnate promotions)...
...Folks, right now, we are turning away volunteers for active duty in droves. With the current active duty enlistment and re-enlistment rates, Congress could triple the size of our active duty military, and a draft would still not be necessary. Things that wouldn't cause an "eye-blink" in the past, today require waivers to qualify, and -- as long as recruiting is going well, waiver approval is getting harder and harder to get...
...A draft is a good way to fight wars of 50 years ago. It is a lousy way to fight wars today. Today's military members are highly trained professionals. The days of giving a couple month's of training on firing a rifle and tossing a grenade, then sending men off to combat are long, long gone. In today's military, even the basic infantry is "high tech." You don't train someone to operate and maintain highly sophisticated military equipment overnight. It takes a minimum of 18 months to 2 years to turn out a trained Soldier, Airman, Sailor, or Marine. It takes even longer than that for many military specialties...
...According to the Selective Service, if a draft were implemented today, it would take 193 days for the first inductee to report in. After that, it would take another 12 to 18 months to train them and form them into new combat units. In short, if we instituted a draft today, inductees would not be effective until about two years from now (at which time, their two year service commitment would be over)...
...For the sake of simpler mathematics, we'll assume that all 22 million "draftees" are serving in the grade of E-1 (the lowest enlisted grade). They won't be, of course, but it makes the math easier. An E-1 in today's military starts off with a base pay of $1193.40 per month. $1193.40 multiplied by 22 million comes to $26,254,800,000. That's a payroll of 26 BILLION dollars per month, just in the basic pay. Multiply that by 12, and it's a yearly payroll of $315,057,600,000 (315 BILLION dollars!)..."



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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:43 AM
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12. Kerry said he will not re-instate the draft.
Edwards had said there will be no draft if Kerry is elected president.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:03 PM
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15. Thanks for the advice.
How inspiring to see all these new DU'ers hoping the Kerry campaign will hold off on certain issues.

It's good of you to point out the hottest ones.
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