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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:13 AM
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Greenfield: Bush threatens no more debates if rules are broken
Just now on CNN, Greenfield said the Bush campaign has suggested that violations of the debate rules, including cutaway shots by the networks (which they say they will do) could lead to subsequent debates being cancelled.

Just a load of gamesmanship, I'm sure, but it shows you what a bunch of tight-asses * and his minions are.
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:15 AM
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1. Call their bluff. This whiny, wimpy bullshit won't play well.
n/t
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:22 AM
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21. You got a point there, MallRat
Ask the bastard a direct question, break the rules and then listen to the the self-styled hairy-chests whine like little children.

After all, we're only trying to win the presidency and save ourselves from another four years of calculated chaos and incompetent leadership.

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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:28 AM
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28. ...and then bring it to the next level...
If Bush "cancels" for any reason, Kerry should announce he's going to show up anyway, and if Bush is man enough to engage in a real debate instead of this kabuki spin theater, that would be great -- because, lord knows, Bush wouldn't want to be seen as backing away from a challenge...
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:47 AM
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40. Kabuki Spin Theater
Kabuki Spin Theater - Too funny....LMAO

-P
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:21 PM
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49. Won't Work. If * Doesn't Show, Neither Do the TV Cameras
It becomes a non-event. What debates?

Booosh doesn't need any debates, his people own the media.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:03 PM
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64. Not quite true...when Arnie refuse to show
the debates were still shown. I think it would be great if Kerry shows up alone at the 'Town Hall debate' and announces he believes he owes it to the voters to answer their questions. :-)
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:49 PM
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56. Kerry should debate a stand-in if Bush doesn't show up.
Or one of the other nominal candidates from the various Third Parties.
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:25 PM
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65. Some good stand-ins? Pauly Shore...
Hank the Angry Dwarf from the Howard Stern Show... Rob Corddry from The Daily Show...
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Bettie Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 05:38 PM
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98. Steven Colbert...
After all he is the Senior political anyalyst! :-)
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:57 PM
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78. The stand-in should be the talking pics from the Conan O'Brian Show.
Or the guy they get to play the idiot on one of the other shows (Leno? - I don't remember which - all I know is he has that stuped "heh heh heh" laugh down pat).
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:04 PM
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82. LMAO - Get Robert Schmigel (sp?) to do it!
I can see it now - too funny! :thumbsup:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:15 AM
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2. I just heard that same thing
I loved how he pointed out that Kerry wouldn't threaten that.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:15 AM
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3. What a p.o.s. spoiled brat.
Presidential he is NOT!
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:15 AM
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4. Oh, please , please, please
do it! Show the American people what a crybaby chicken you are!
*clucking noises*
If he does, MoveON should do an ad with * doing the Chicken Dance.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:42 AM
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39. My thoughts exactly.
Let the big bad War President show the nation what a wuss he really is.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:43 PM
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76. Yes! Let's hope. (eom)
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:16 AM
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5. Fine. Let him back out.
We'll get Kerry in a one-on-one with all manner of likely voters.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:16 AM
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6. Prediction:Dubya will take his marbles and go home if he loses the debate.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:21 AM
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20. What Marbles?
He lost them a long time ago!
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:16 AM
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7. One word
Wimp
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:17 AM
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8. Time to come out play Mr. pResident
No more hiding in your house of mirrors.

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:17 AM
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9. in 2000 like a bitch he called out the "rule" during the debates
when gore questioned him about affirmative action and instead of answering he told the moderator to move on to the next question and gore responded by saying something like that answers or tells a lot. bush responded like an old stern woman "no, it's the rules".
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:18 AM
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10. Further proof that he does not play well with others.
It's his way or no way. Nice tactic for the supposed leader of the free world.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:19 AM
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11. leslie doing his worst whoring yet said.....
it was at the "candidateS" request!!! I heard him refer to it that way several times. LIKE IT WASN"T JUST IDIOTboy* DEMANDING IT AND THREATENING NO MORE DEBATES!


I HATE you leslie the lap dog!!!! :grr: :mad:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:20 AM
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17. I think the Kerry Camp NEEDS to stress....
their LACK of conditions!!!
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:00 PM
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79. ?
Are you sure you didn't hear "candidate's"? I didn't hear the clip, and you're probably rephrasing (was the original "request of the candidates"?), but as you have it written it would sound just like the singular possessive.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:37 PM
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89. he could have said bush*
does he ever refer to bush as a candidate?!? :eyes:
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:56 PM
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91. true
I hadn't thought of that.

I was just focusing on how "candidates" sounds exactly the same as "candidate's," but you're right, Bush is never referred to alone as a "candidate," so just the use of the word itself would imply Kerry's inclusion (rendering my concerns moot).
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vivalarev Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:19 AM
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12. Bush is the biggest BITCH ive ever seen
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:19 AM
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13. I would love for him to cancel
and then for Kerry to show up at all subsequent debates by himself with none of the stupid rules.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:19 AM
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14. BWAAAHHHHHHHHH.
Gonna take my football and go home!
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JPJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:20 AM
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15. Prediction: there will only be one debate, and it will hurt GWB n/t
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:20 AM
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16. Oooooh, pResident Hall Monitor, scary! nt
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:20 AM
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18. This is really sad. The bush people are so damn scared
any little mishap by Bush* will doom his chances. That just goes to show you that they are scared shitless and know that their guy doesn't have a solid lead. I can't think of any other preparation for debates being this bad.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:20 AM
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19. How Presidential.
This is bull. Rove is smarter than this. Canceling debates would Kill Bush.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:22 AM
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22. Whiny Fucking Coward...I PREDICTED THIS!!!
n/t
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MichDem10 Donating Member (644 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:23 AM
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23. With any luck...
Shrub will be asked a question he does not like (or has no idea how to answer)and will simply walk off stage just like he did during a press conference several months ago!!

I bet they triple the meds he is taking.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:30 PM
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51. The questions are all pre-screened and answers rehearsed
for last several weeks. There will be no surprizes. The reason that Bush* demanded the first debate be changed from domestic policy to foreign policy is because they feel they might benefit from canceling the other two debates. They will claim they are being treated unfairly and because of that can not allow the other two to go forward. The Media will be very sympathetic and Kerry will get all the blame for picking on poor little Georgie.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:37 PM
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74. Couldn't that be turned around
as in "if he can't even stand up to Kerry in a debate, how can he stand up to terrorists?" Or something like that.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:23 AM
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24. I say call his bluff! If he has the ba**s to back out, the country will
see him as a chichen sh*t!

I could believe he'd get away with this tactic if the reason was something of substance, but "because the camers might do a cut away" is just plain couwarice!!!
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:23 AM
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25. What a petulant wimp
That's right, a wimp, just like his dad!
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:25 AM
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26. Bunch of cowards, I'd say -- W is unfit in every way for his stolen office
...and the fear of his handlers, and his own in going along with them, prove that he is not up to the job. He can't answer questions because he doesn't know the answers. His brain is so drug- and alcohol-addled, he can't deal with any situation that isn't tightly controlled, with no "surprises." The great leader is a pitiful excuse for a man.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:28 AM
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27. Rules? Somebody wants to enforce rules?
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:35 AM
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35. Wow. That's a great photo!
And the caption is even better! Is that from the Yale student newspaper?

-MR
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:42 AM
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38. Yes. From a yearbook. It's all true. eom
Edited on Wed Sep-29-04 11:48 AM by NewYorkerfromMass
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:28 AM
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29. Thats fine
Like Al Sharpton said on Harball yesterday after Tweety was knocking all of the advantage Dems gave up to shrub during the debates, he said " It's like boxing, sometimes you give up pay or anything else just to get the guy in the ring because you know once you have him in there he wont be standing once it's over" ..not an exact quote but exactly what Sharpton meant.
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:29 AM
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30. It doesn't show what a bunch of
tight asses they are, it shows that they are a bunch of fascists. I hope this actually happens so that this little fart who thinks he is King will throw his snit in front of the whole country. Maybe the media will finally get off their knees.
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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:29 AM
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31. Please back out ...Please back out
It will come back to bite his ass if he does.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:31 AM
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32. This is Rove trying to change the subject. Kerry needs to stay on message
and keep the focus on Bush's record. Rove has pulled this type of trick at least half a dozen times in the last few months. The object is to create a non-story for the media to focus on. It is hard to believe that no one in the media resents being manipulated by Rove.
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camaro69 Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:32 AM
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33. Why in the WORLD
Did we agree to these ridiculous terms. Why did we get into such a small box. Press will be screaming foul on Kerry at the slightest infraction. Stupid
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:32 AM
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34. Kerry should violate the rules tomorrow night
He should pull the "My constituents paid for this microphone" number
ala Reagan and then just blast the living shit out of bush.

Thursdays debate will be the first and last anyway because dumbass will inevitably whine and slither out of the next two --- so what difference will it make?

Kerry needs to kick asses and take names tomorrow night-the hell with the bush reich contract!
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:39 PM
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75. I agree!
Since this will be Kerry's one shot, he might as well go for it!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:04 PM
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81. I thing you two have it right - we have nothing to lose.
He should even ignore the prepared questions and ask him all the stuff we wanted answers for.

Why did you lie to me and ther rest of the country?
Is it worth the 1,000's dead soldiers and 10's of 1,000's dead all the others?
Why were you AWOL?
Etc.
Etc.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 06:46 PM
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100. Three months ago I wouldn't have thought this
But as time goes on I get in more and more of a screw them all mode.

This mess Bush has gotten us into isn't politics as usual and Kerry IMO needs to be that kid that came back from Vietnam with an ax to grind again.

He has it in him I just hope the moron handlers haven't corrupted him.

If Gore had let it rip like he has since selection 2000 I don't think we would be here talking about bush :(
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:38 AM
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36. Cutaways? I would give you cutaways if I were producing the debates
Every time the fetid Chimp opened his mouth about Iraq to tell us how great things are going, I would be quickly cutting away to show scenes of death and destruction including video footage of the killing of women and children at military check points by trigger-happy US soldiers, the terrible results of our helicopter gunships and jets doing air strikes against suspected insurgent hide-outs, and the tragic photos of Abu Ghraib.
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:10 PM
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44. I've got a tinfoil theory about the cutaways.
Bush doesn't want cutaways because of the EARPIECE. He doesn't want to be shown listening hard for a response to what Kerry is saying.

The tinfoil is about the cutaways. I'm convinced about the earpiece. You can tell when he's wearing it by his speech patterns. And, of course, there's also the "peeance, freeance" video.
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:41 AM
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37. IMPORTANT: Don't lower expectations for *. Cast him as a wimp.
Do NOT say:
Bush is a bad debater.
Bush can't keep up with Kerry.
Bush can't handle the pressure of an uncontrolled appearance.

Instead, say:
Bush is a very good debater, why is he afraid of John Kerry?
If Bush feels so strongly about his convictions, then why is he threatening to back out of the debates?
Nobody ever won a Presidential debate on a technicality.
Why is Bush asking the referees to win the debate for him? He's perfectly capable of standing up for himself.

Do NOT lower the expectations for Bush. Be careful what language you use in discussing this story.

-MR
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:15 PM
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45. Good call, MallRat.
Right on the money.

What does * have to lose by engaging JK in debate?
Why would * not want this opportunity to personally lay out his agenda to the American public?

etc.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:17 PM
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47. "It's my mine-mine-mine-my debate-my interest at stake-play by my rules or
else...I'll take my Karl Rove doll and won't play with you or your network execs any-any-anymore.
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:47 AM
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41. They don't want anyone to see the Chimp looking offstage for
his que cards or see Uncle Dick coming out to whisper in his ear what he needs to say.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:49 AM
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42. Bush is a weakling anyhow
this will just show his true colors, and his stubbornness.
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Clinton Crusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:03 PM
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43. What is he.....
the fucking EMPEROR? Does he have a god complex? Whatever HE says GOES?? FUCK THIS! WHY is it all I hear is what THEY want? They demand this and that and this and that. Im so fucking TIRED of hearing what the boy king wants! SCREW HIM! He's so freakin INCOMPETANT he cant DO a debate unless every little thing is done his way or he's gonna take his ball and go home. What an asshat! SO go, go ahead, cancel the two debates. That should look really good to the electorate.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!
:grr:
:kick:
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:16 PM
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46. Jeez. Is he gonna take his ball and jacks and go home?
I smell Rove, Rove, Rove.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:19 PM
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48. Take your Cheneying bat and ball and go home you girly-men
What a bunch of crybaby whiners. If they do that, that's exactly the ad the DNC should make!
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devinsgram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:22 PM
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50. "Well, if you don't play by my rules I don't want to play."
That is something you would hear from a child and you would probably just laugh and let go, but this is grown man who acts like a spoiled brat. If John Kerry did that I would hang my head in shame, but John Kerry is a man who has honor and dignity and does not act like a child.

Just imagine now Bill Clinton testifying before the 9-11 commission and having to take Gore along to hold his hand through it. We would have all cringed.

I have racked my brain over and over to try to figure out what these moronic people who support this idiot see in him and I just come up totally blank, because there is nothing.

These people are fellow Americans, but I am so ashamed of them, I could just cry.



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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:33 PM
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52. Call their bluff
If Bush is such a fucking pussy POS that he can't give up a few hours of his time to debate his opponent, then he's even more spineless than I thought.

And I already thought the man had a spine made of Jell-O, so this is saying something.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:39 PM
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53. If he cancels the second and third debates
he will lie about the reason--possible saying that Kerry violated the rules. Even if it is a lie, the media will reinforce that lie and defend Bush's decision. He will come off looking like a real strong and decisive leader who is in charge and no one is going to tell him what to do. No one, you can be sure, or very few, will report it was becasue he could not debate on domestic issues, or that Kerry won the first debate.
It is a set up, I think.

I think he will be able to back out and do so that it appears he was right in his indignation at unfair rules.That is the way of the propaganda machine.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:43 PM
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54. Please.. please Bush CANCEL the debates!!
Then the world can see you for the petulant bully you are! Kerry should be GUNG HO about the debates REGARDLESS of the freakin' camera angles. For God's sake, this isn't a beauty pageant!

HOw I long for the days when candidates travelled on the rails from town to town campaigning, shaking hands, eating diner food. Instead we have camera angles, no-debate debates, enough money to feed thousands being spent on bullshit tv ads, wardrobe consultants, internall polling, external polling...

If I were in charge of America.. I'd change the presidential elections back to low tech, ride the rails, no-ads, no-attacks, affairs. Let the best man or woman win.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:48 PM
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55. Break every fucking rule you can, Kerry!
These mother fuckers think they're so damn tough.....call thier bluff! When they cancel the last 2 debates, hit the airwaves and make them look like the chickenshits they are!
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:49 PM
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57. What a whiny, crying baby!
Someone should tell him to get over himself.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:55 PM
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58. Yeah, but the media which enables Bush now becomes the talking point...and
Bush looks like the VICTIM because they're breaking the rules.....
so then he gets his way and can cancel the debates!!!

WIN WIN FOR BUSH
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:56 PM
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59. Shell shrub, then break the rules!
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SoCalDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:57 PM
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60. Excellent! Let them do it!

The first debate is what counts. Viewership drops off by 10 million after that.

Kerry should coome out strong and hard, and give the American public what they want to see. If Bush wimps out as a result and refuses more debates it will show that he's a coward.

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jn2375 Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:59 PM
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61. temper tantrum temper tantrum, spoiled stupid idiot
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bush equals idiot Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:00 PM
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62. Bush you forgot.
Why don't you bring in the Robert Taylor Dancers? They could choreograph it for you.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:02 PM
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63. Networks are just getting a taste of the gag rule they'll be experiencing
if Bush wins four more years of propaganda! Serves them right.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:27 PM
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66. what a WIMP
I hope Kerry cleans the floor with him & the networks show Bush* smirking inappropriately and he cancels the other debates. that will show what an intellectually WEAK COWARD he is.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:30 PM
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67. LOL! And Jeffy would then spin that Chimp had every right to pull out.
BWAAHAAAHHHAAAAHAAA. Republicans are such pussies.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:31 PM
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68. What a pussy little bitch. Scared of his own shadow, the coward.
NT!

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:31 PM
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69. Ha ha ha ha. My big brave hero!!!
nt
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:32 PM
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70. Bushler just wants everyone to do as he DICTATES!
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ItsMyParty Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:33 PM
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71. This a.m. I thought that maybe that's exactly why the networks say
they won't abide by the rules. And, of course, none other than Fox will be on the cameras for the first debate. Did you consider that our whores are helping him out again????
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ItsMyParty Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:44 PM
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77. Oh, P.S.---what does he mean by rule breaking?? If the camera
does the shots of one listening while the other speaks, etc. which is suppose to be 'no no' and Kerry does not do anything to break the rules and Bush walks because of the camera violation, then Kerry can hit him hard about a useless whimp who won't even discuss things when a nation is at war, in awful debt, bad economy, etc. Then he has to scream that this bastard was never elected and has double no excuse not to address the people. John could make a hell of a case against this guy and bury him. The people are not going to accept that it was okay for Georgie to go home 'cause he didn't like his picture taken!!!
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:34 PM
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72. One more fuck you to Democracy brought to you by your Emperor
The debates are for the people, asswipe. Not you.
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:35 PM
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73. Oh puleeze...
Like Bush wouldn't cheat if the tables were turned. Give me a freaking break.
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:03 PM
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80. I can't just see the next DNC ad if he does
"How can George Bush fight terrorists who don't play fair, if he can't handle a liberal senator from Massachusetts who doesn't play fair?"
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:06 PM
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83. THE BIGGEST BULLIES ARE ALSO USUALLY THE BIGGEST BABIES
Bush bully baby
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:09 PM
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84. I sure hope you're paying attention, Mr. Kerry.
It's time for your close-up, baby.}(
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:12 PM
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85. And he will break the rules just to be sure he can get out of them
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LiberalCat Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:15 PM
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86. That's why they switched foreign policy to the first debate.
They have no intention of showing up for all three debates. They want an excuse to cancel the last two. Foreign policy is the only topic he has the chance to win (even though his mastery is all fake).
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 06:43 PM
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99. my prediction
there will only be one debate, and then the terra level will go up thanks to Asscroft, and little bushie won't be able to make the next two debates cuz he'll be busy doing "president stuff". I don't think he would cancel just becasue the rules are broken -- I don't think Rove would allow that. But Rove might allow a modified Rose Garden strategy to keep baby bush out of sight -- and off the debating floor -- during the final weeks.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:19 PM
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87. I've said all along that there would be no debates.
I stand by that. Even if they occur, they'll be virtually meaningless. But I see now how they literally intend to get out of the process of electing a president. And they'll find a way to put the blame on someone other than themselves, just like everything that's happened so far in their misadministration.

Perfect George. You're a wimp. Mr. Flimflam.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 03:25 PM
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88. My spin on it all
First, my hubby is firm that the debate Thursday night is the only one that matters...the undecideds will decide then and there. I agree completely with him on that point.

Second, I believe that by giving Georgie EVERYTHING he wants on the debates opens him up in the days to follow to:

"Well, John Kerry agreed to every absurd demand by the Bush camp on these debates, and even though we made it as simple and easy as possible for him to participate, he was unable to/whined about/could not/refused to...etc etc"

Do not underestimate how this was handled by the Kerry camp, as I believe they have the spin covered already and the deliberate concession to every demand was planned for a reason.

Third - there will be only one debate...he cannot survive the town hall forum that is after this one...just won't be able to do it...too many variables...

He will whine his way out of the rest of them because the networks showed an unflattering shot of him, or took him out of context, or there is a terra attack (blah blah), and the Kerry camp will spin it to their advantage....remember the "War Room" is geared for blood now.

It's closing time for Kerry. George...meet rock and hard place.
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DemFromMem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 04:40 PM
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90. That would be awesome!
Kerry will have gotten the big debate in - the only one people are really going to pay attention to - and then the spin will be that Bush got so beat up that he's taking his toys and going home. That would be a HUGE mistake on the GOP's part. I'd really love to see that happen.
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shivaji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 05:01 PM
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92. Rules....I hate frickin rules....rules killed Gore and now
Dubya is threatening to cancel debates if Kerry breaks ANY rules.
In 2000, the rules allowed only 2 recounts and that hurt Gore.
If there were no rules, the 4 counties with dem majorities could
have kept interpreting the chads until Gore was ahead.

They will pull the same crap in 2004. Only 2 recounts allowed etc.
Why do we need any fricking rules? We deserve to win and no rules
should stop us from winning.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 05:04 PM
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93. Faux won't respect rules - "journalistic standards"
So, they'll man the camera trying to make a fool out of Kerry. If thei miss, W may say: OK. rules were broken, no more debates"
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lwin Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 05:09 PM
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94. So pussy boy wants to call all the shots?
but it shows you what a bunch of tight-asses * and his minions are

It sure does...no balls & no integrity = no more years.

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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 05:10 PM
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95. PREMEDITATION- Rove never planned to have 3 debates
the fix is in- the rules will be "broken' and Chicken-Shit-Chimp will have another long weekend in Crawford.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 05:17 PM
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96. I cant believe how gullible DUers are being. WAKE UP PEOPLE
Well I can forgive you following some media hacks flame bait (Greenfield)but you are playing right into the media trap. pay attention, lapdogs

Let me give you a heads up: THE BUSH CAMPAIGN WANTS TO MAKE THE DEBATES A CAMPAIGN ISSUE. THE MEDIA WILL PLAY ALONG.

OK can anyone tell me why?

(Hint: this "issue" replaces what?)
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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 05:35 PM
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97. Let's see...faux controls the cameras, rove controls faux...and if faux
does something that is not in the 'rules'...bush* gets to cancel all the rest of the debates??

Do I have this correct??? :shrug:
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 06:58 PM
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101. I think so too
It is a set up, in collusion with Fox. There is no other conclusion--given the proclivities of Fox.

Why on earth was it agreed that Fox would be the one and only one, to cover this, by camera? Surely Vernon Jordan knew of the reputation of Fox and would have been wary.

Can't quite understand that.

What am I missing?
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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:07 PM
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102. same here, i sure wish someone had an answer to that
n/t
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 12:06 AM
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109. This is not a set up- it's Standard Operating Procedure
Fox is not being given special treatment. They're just the outlet that drew pool duty.

Whenever there's an event like this where it is not feasible to have a huge gaggle of cameras (most of which would never get a decent shot), the press agrees to a "pool" arrangement whereby one tv camera and one or two still photographers provide footage and photos for everyone else. This is different than an "exclusive" in which one camera is given access and they don't have to share with anyone else. In a pool setup, the pool for that event is required to give full and equal access to everyone else. It is a very common arrangment. The White House and the campaigns do this all the time. Unless the event is in a large venue or outdoors, having it "open press" would be a complete nightmare, turning the event into a media circus. The pool arrangment allows everyone to get what they need with limited disruption to the event.

The pool assignments for regular schedules, such as the White House or campaign traveling pools, are rotated alphabetically each day. So, for example, on Monday, ABC does the pool, Tuesday - CBS, Wednesday - CNN, Thursday - FOX, Friday - NBC, etc. For special events such as the debates, the networks draw lots to determine who will do the pool.

Interestingly, networks don't really like being the pool camera for the day because it involves much more work for the crews. They not only are responsible for setting up and shooting the event, but the have to go through a lot of technical hassles, such as satellite truck parking, satellite uplinking, arranging for the dropping off and picking up of tape, presets (i.e., having to get to the event hours before everyone else to make sure their equipment is set up and in place before the security sweeps start). It's really a pain in the butt to be the pool camera. FOX only started doing pool duty a few years ago since, until around 1998 or so, they did not have the technical capability or resources to handle it.

So FOX is doing the pool feed tomorrow, not because they've been given any special favor or consideration. They just drew the lot.

If it makes you feel any better, FOX has been the pool camera for countless events - including for the Clinton White House and Democratic campaigns and, as far as I know, there's never been any problem. Their pool producers and technicians are very good and, unlike the editorial "talent," are not right wing nutcases. The ones I've dealt with are real professionals who are all about doing their jobs well. In fact, some of them are very liberal Democrats.

And, in case anyone's wondering, FOX was NOT the pool camera for the Howard Dean scream event - that event was open press, not pooled.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:13 PM
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103. $100 says the camera doesn't pan away until Bush messes up
What a shrewd concept. If he does horrible at the debate, no one will be talking about his performance because the story will be about how the "media" didn't play by the rules so now there's no more debates for this election. Once again, the country will be focused on things completely unrelated to the actual issues.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:16 PM
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104. Awww, the widdle Bushboy might take his toys and go home...
He's too chicken to "stay the course" through three debates?!?
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debatepro Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:19 PM
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105. Rules!
If Bush makes a comment about rules in debate Kerry should bust out a good one liner like. He thought Bush didn't care about rules - Geneva convension, Kyoto, etc.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:21 PM
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106. His camp seems to be nervous about that Oct. 8 town hall gathering,
he needs a reason to pull out. I want to see a meltdown, live on national TV meltdown, please.

Things sure are easier when you're the dictator.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:21 PM
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107. If they cancel get Clinton


If they cancel have Kerry arrange a Fire Side Chat in Clinton's living room. Clinton could just sit back and relax.

Invite Nelson Mandela to talk on a panel with Kerry/Edwards/Carter/Ted Kennedy/Ronald Reagan Jr..
Have the wives and close family there as listeners.

All Clinton would need to say is" Welcome to our home, we are thrilled to have you here." For an ending, have Big Dog say a one minute rap up.

No questions from the press. The camera crew would be picked by Kerry.

Tell me the viewing audience would not love it!

There is no way they would not show that one!! There would be a protest equal to the Civil War.

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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 09:23 PM
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108. See him do it. And see us win by 10
Seriously. Nothing could be more sweet than Kerry breaking some small rule - something like Kerry directly addressing him - "Mr. President..." etc. See Bush whine and drop out. And see Bush's lead be wiped out. The public would see Bush for the petulant, irresponsible brat he is.
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